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  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the August 20, 2018 announcement?
    Ban Tron. Ban Mox Opal.

    Fast mana is always a problem.

    Do this and Stirrings would only see play in fringe decks and nobody would be talking about it much less it being the #1 card people want banned
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on State of Standard Thread: bans, format health, metagame, rotation, etc!
    I always wondered who decided that Jace's Defeat and Gideon's Defeat cannot destroy the color's planeswalker, but Liliana's Defeat, Chandra's Defeat and Nissa's Defeat can.

    What do you mean? Jace's defeat counters Jace and Gideon's defeat exiles an attacking Gideon.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    I honestly expect "no bans" or "KCI ban". Nothing else seems to likely to me
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the August 20, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from BlueTronFTW »
    Quote from Borachon »
    Ancient stirrings increases the diversity of Modern by increasing the consistency of a large number of turn 3-4 colorless combo decks, and recent hate cards (e.g. sphere) are good at keeping those in check. Faithless Looting does the same thing for red-based combo decks. Those are both good things. If particular decks are oo fast or too logistically awkward for large tournaments, that should be addressed separately on a deck-by-deck basis, not through a banning that decreases the diversity of the format.

    The problem isn't either of these cards - it's that color combinations that tend to include blue, with the exception of Izzet, don't have access to cards of similar power levels. To enable a broader range of blue-based strategies in that direction, I would unban one of ponder and dig through time, as well as Stoneforge Mystic to help white simply because there's no good reason for it to be banned.

    I generally agree with this sentiment. Tron, lantern, eldrazi have clear weaknesses. I would rather see KCI hit directly due to its speed, resilience to hate, and the time it takes to win. There's a line in my head - storm is just barely on one side, KCI is just barely on the other.

    Yes, storm has a far greater number of deterministic wins. KCI has to draw through its deck to hit the kill, and this is not always guaranteed. This is the reason why the deck takes more time to kill. When my storm opponent casts Gifts Ungiven with 3 red mana floating I know to scoop immediately. The same cannot be said for KCI.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    I, and many others, would love to have Birthing Pod come back. Even without any combos, it's the ultimate toolbox deck.

    I really am curious to know how well it would do in today's meta against humans, KCI, tron, and the rest of the field that did not exist in 2014.

    Of course it would probably make more sense to unban Green Sun's Zenith first as that card has had even less time being legal than Pod. I like the idea of a green creature toolbox deck.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    What happens to this deck when Ancient Stirrings gets banned?

    Can we simply replace them with Oath of Nissa or is that card too much worse because it only digs 3 deep and doesn't hit any of our artifacts?
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the August 20, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first time a single card has beat out the "no bans" option on the poll. Can anyone remember a different time in our poll history? I do not believe this is a case of ban mania, and that's coming from someone who has successfully defended a "no bans" position for over 1.5 years. This is the first time there is substantial evidence to argue for a ban. It's also the first time that most players have been justified in stating a single card is bannable. I fully expect that further Gx Tron and/or KCI finishes at the GP level will result in a Stirrings ban come early 2019. It's possible that the format trends away from Stirrings decks, but I think that's unlikely given the trajectory of these decks throughout 2017 and 2018.

    For my part, I did not vote for Stirrings because I don't think there's enough evidence for Wizards to ban the card yet. I do think they will have those #s by the end of the year, however. At that point, my vote is likely to change, at least if the GP/MTGO picture points in that direction.

    All other ban suggestions are not remotely supportable by GP/PT/MTGO data. Well, except the KCI/Trawler folks, which is another legitimate suggestions if you are specifically arguing that KCI causes logistical issues. None of the other cards are violating any format criteria.

    Eye of Ugin didn't beat out "no bans" during Eldrazi Winter? I would be very surprised if it didn't. Or was there a strong enough split between Temple and Eye that neither option was individually greater than "no bans"?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] Ad Nauseam
    Quote from BourbonFox »
    Quote from Billiondegree »
    I am considering going down to 2 Pact of Negation and making space for 1 Slaughter Pact instead. The reason being that Slaughter Pact is a nice answer to cards from the humans deck like Thalia or Meddling Mage, whereas Pact of Negation is almost always a dead card vs that deck between them cheating creatures into play with Aether Vial or making them uncounterable with Cavern of Souls. Since humans is arguably the most popular deck right now, it makes sense to tune the deck towards beating that matchup (if possible).

    Also, when sideboarding, which cards come out vs humans? Pact of Negation is the only one I am sure of, but what else? Should Lotus Bloom come out because it can be named with Meddling Mage while in exile?

    I'm actually going to try this at my next outing. I can report.

    How did it go trimming on Negation? I am currently thinking that Slaughter Pact is much more powerful in the current format than Pact of Negation. Jeskai is on the decline and UW plays more board wipes and spot removal than actual counters. Overall, the meta is not filled with very many counterspells, making negation not as good as it was before.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    My only concern is that Stirrings ban might not neuter KCI enough. If KCI players simply shrug the ban off and switch to playing Glint-Nest Crane instead, what exactly have we accomplished?

    I have no idea at this point if they will go for the throat and take out KCI itself as Emma Handy suggests(as we saw with Splinter Twin, Birthing Pod, Eggs), or just chip away at its main consistency enabler (Stirrings) and hope that is enough to knock it down a tier.

    In any case, we shall see in one weeks time.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in modern)
    Quote from javert »
    This is probably a bit hard to execute so I bring two versions. First is the "current templating" version:

    Holder of the ward
    Creature - Kithkin cleric
    When Holder of the ward enters the battlefield, search your opponent's library for a card and exile it face down.
    Sacrifice Holder of the ward: reveal the card exiled with Holder of the ward. Counter target spell with the same name as the revealed card. It's controller shuffles the exiled card into his library.

    This is the the simple version the former is trying to accomplish.

    Holder of the ward
    Creature - Kithkin cleric
    When Holder of the ward enters the battlefield, secretly write a card name and put it face down
    Sacrifice Holder of the ward: reveal the chosen name. Counter target spell with the same name as the name chosen.

    The whole point is to restrict the utility of the creature to a single spell while not giving it away so the opponent can't know it in advance. Writing the name down is the quickest choice but it is a logistical nightmare while the first version lacks this problem but it is way more tedious as it needs to search a library for a potential single card. I'd bite the bullet and go for the second version.

    I really like this design. I think the second one is much cleaner, and I don't see why it couldn't be done this way. Great take on Meddling Mage.

    Quote from Tasighoul »
    Rite of Singularity
    Target player reveals their hand, then you choose a colorless card other than a basic land card from it. Search that player's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as the chosen card and exile them. Then that player chooses one of the cards that was exiled this way and shuffles it into their library.

    This is an effective sideboard card against decks that rely heavily on a particular combination of colorless cards, such as Tron lands Lantern Control combo pieces. While it throws sand into their gears, it does not remove their ability to tutor for the last missing piece. Yet, the danger of somehow losing it is real, thereby increasing the viability of various sideboard cards that are currently often to slow to effectively answer one of these strategies (e.g. Fulminator Mage vs. Tron).

    Edit: Adjusted the mana cost.

    I don't think it needs the drawback part of the effect. It's fine as a 2 mana Memoricide that only hits colorless. Great Tron hoser.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the August 20, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from Shmanka »
    Bad design shouldn't determine whether a card is banned in a format or not. Choke, Blood Moon, Boil, Flashfires, all inherently bad design. Yet at least they are mostly cyclical, and yes, most cycles have weaker counterparts.

    Simic Charm is just a complete joke compared to Boros Charm, and no one here is advocating a ban for one or the other.

    Back on topic...

    Once again here are my votes;

    Unban; Ancient Den, Great Furnace, Seat of the Synod, Tree of Tales, Vault of Whispers, Preordain, GSZ, and Stoneforge Mystic

    Ban; Simian Spirit Guide and Mox Opal

    Once again I'll state my reasoning for the artifact lands. If people are actually afraid of Frogmite and Myr Enforcer which generally require 5+ cards, they haven't been paying enough attention lately to both Vengevine and Hollow One, both speaking of require less resources and are more resilient. The key factor to making control decks work is to allow them to inherently use Thirst for Knowledge once again like in Old-Extended. Except this time, those control decks must face White Enchantments and Green Creatures like never before.

    If you are afraid of KCI, it doesn't change the fact about the turn 4 combo potential regarding the artifact lands, the turn 3 potential is inherently built in Mox Opal, which I am suggesting as a ban, and yes, I am an invested Affinity player. I am advocating to ban both Mox Opal and Simian Spirit Guide, because those are the cards in the format that lead to non-games. Yes I understand they do not affect the metagame significantly, but they create more of a Gitaxian Probe effect in Modern than what most people realize. Save for Disrupting Shoal in the tier 3 category, there is next to no answer to the blow out effects both of the fast mana cards create. Playing Roulette will punish your average FNM go-er more than enough to never return to your local game store, but in a Grand Prix environment having people register complete shots in the dark creates a wider range of variance for top level competition.

    I'd rather not ruin the consistency factor absolutely about the Modern format, Ancient Stirrings is a problematic card, yet it's allowing decks to exist where they would never have existed before. Not having to play against Brainstorm and Ponder is quite enjoyable. I'd rather tone down the speed of the Modern format, and allow specific cantrips to exist.

    Agree with this except for Simian Spirit Guide. That card barely sees play anymore in the format.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from sicsmoo »
    I don't really see the trend continuing though, at least in the short-term. Tron is not nearly as well-positioned as it was 2 months ago when it was putting up tons of finishes, and KCI is not gonna be making many top 8s when every other deck is packing a set of Leylines and/or other hate to fight Bridgevine.

    The metagame could certainly self-correct itself, but with an announcement coming up in a week Wizards only has past data to look at not speculative future data. Stirrings decks have consistently overperformed at large scale events during the months leading up to this announcement.

    I would personally have no qualms with a Stirrings ban, but if Wizards instead decides KCI is guilty of causing rounds to go extra long ala eggs they may just ban KCI on those grounds instead.

    We shall see.

    In addition, I am always in favor of the Mox Opal <-> artifact lands swap, which would conveniently also neuter KCI. However, I have no idea if Wizards would be on board with this or is even considering this as a possibility
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the August 20, 2018 announcement?
    Ban Ironworks and Bridge from Below

    Both of those decks are bad for modern. Ironworks because it creates super long turns that the opponent has to wait through. Bridge because it is just busted in the new vengevine deck combined with sac outlets.

    No Looting, Stirrings, Mox Opal, ect. These all cause splash damage to other decks
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Please don't ban Looting.

    Bridge from Below should be banned instead. That card is just plain stupid in the vengevine deck
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from ed06288 »
    engineered explosives needs a reprint. i miss it when they were $8. will probably never happen again because they will bump rarity up to mythic. i miss $5 chalice of the voids and trinispheres too

    Wrong thread, but yes it does. These increased prices just speaks to the popularity of the format.

    Maybe after they kill KCI the price will drop, since that's the only deck that plays the card in the main
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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