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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from MikePemulis »
    One thing that bugs me about Humans is that it took a few different decks -- Death and Taxes, Hatebears, Merfolk -- and rendered them obsolete. There's no reason to play a fish-style aggro-control deck these days that isn't Humans. Grixis Shadow did the same thing to midrange for a while, and there was some metagame response to it. What's going to happen, or is already happening, in response to Humans?


    The difference between humans vs Death and Taxes / Merfolk is that it cannot play colored non-creature cards.

    No Stony Silence, no Rest in Peace, no spreading seas, no counterspells.

    You could argue they are not needed, but it is still a difference.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    This whole narrative is very biased and we've seen it in this thread for literal months.

    I've been playing Modern for a few years now, and the whole, "Blue needs help!" narrative has NEVER stopped, ktk.

    And now it's Faithless Looting that's the problem?? NEGATIVE VALUE should be banned now?? Holy crap, this Thread just had another pitchfork sale, didn't it? I mean, Bridge could go, Stirrings could go, KCI could go, all for understandable reasons, but Looting?? Yeah, I think I'll leave this mob before they start lighting torches...


    I'm surprised that even Faithless Looting is a target for banning. Are there too many graveyard decks abusing it right now?


    I am not sure if you are aware, but there's a new "flavor of the week" graveyard recursion deck that happens to play Looting right now. The actual cards it abuses the most are Vengevine and Bridge from Below
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    After playing against Krark Clan today I think Ancient Stirrings is the only issue. The deck would not be consistent enough if you can't dig 5 cards deep for G.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from Exatraz »
    Quote from idSurge »
    Why even worry about it right now, is still a fringe deck. The true elephant in the room is a Tron shaped one, I really hope that is proven by this PT.


    Seriously, when is enough enough with Tron? For a while it was "well this deck is just inconsistent and has polarized matchups". Then it became "well it never puts up major tournament results". Like where is the justification now? A good number of it's bad matchups have been pushed from the format, it still has insanely good matchups running around, it's no longer inconsistent, it's been putting up tournament results in droves now and part of that is even with new hate cards like Damping Sphere in the format.

    Hitting Stirrings will help because then you at least have a choke point for them. Hit all their threats out of hand. They'll easily get mana still but hitting their threats and they'll have to rely on draws and eggs to find their threats. Then if the deck still puts up these kinds of results. Swing the hammer.


    Yup. Axeing Stirrings will certainly help power down both Tron and KCI. I think this is enough without having to ban anything else from KCI. It is a very wise choice indeed, even if a lot of pros are divided on this issue
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Re: KCI
    Handy's article is a refreshingly serious take on Modern as opposed to some of the offensive clickbait we've seen in a few past articles. That said, I don't find her argument very persuasive. These anecdotal logistical examples didn't even impact the tournaments in which they happened. If Handy had given an example in which KCI took 15 minutes to win in T5 of extra turns, delaying Round N of a GP for 15 minutes, that would be a very legitimate argument. But here, we would need to extrapolate these tangential examples to an end-of-round hypothetical that she can't even cite. It's too far removed to use the Sunrise precedent. I'm totally open to the argument and others should be too, but Handy doesn't argue it successfully. Props to her, however, for aiming at very limited bans and not the sweeping Opal or Stirrings suggestion (even if I think Stirrings should go or Preordain should return). Handy also commits one of the cardinal errors of ban arguments, which is mixing your criteria and not sticking to a point. For instance, when I and a few others argued that Bloom should be banned, we focused solely on its T4 rules violations. Handy is all over the place with logistical challenges, deck power, the "unfun" factor, etc. Minus extra points for stating that Shoal is banned for being unfun when it's literally cited as banned for violating the T4 rule. Moral: DON'T MIX BAN CRITERIA IN ARGUMENTS. It reads unprofessionally.


    A stirrings ban might be enough to weaken the consistency of the KCI deck and make it a non-factor in the format, without needing to gut KCI itself.

    I also still believe Mox Opal is not an unreasonable card to eliminate from the format, in return for the five artifact lands. This kills the KCI combo while still allowing affinity to soldier on with different tools at its disposal. The Hardened Scales affinity deck, which doesn't rely as heavily on Mox Opal anyway, gains Tree of Tales.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    There is also another way to overcome these issues: change how extra time itself works in tournaments.

    In fact, why don't they just eliminate the five extra turns altogether and say "whoever has the most life after time is finished in the round is declared the winner of that game. If its a tie the game is a draw"

    Seems simple enough and would keep tournaments running smoothly without any delays
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] Ad Nauseam
    I am considering going down to 2 Pact of Negation and making space for 1 Slaughter Pact instead. The reason being that Slaughter Pact is a nice answer to cards from the humans deck like Thalia or Meddling Mage, whereas Pact of Negation is almost always a dead card vs that deck between them cheating creatures into play with Aether Vial or making them uncounterable with Cavern of Souls. Since humans is arguably the most popular deck right now, it makes sense to tune the deck towards beating that matchup (if possible).

    Also, when sideboarding, which cards come out vs humans? Pact of Negation is the only one I am sure of, but what else? Should Lotus Bloom come out because it can be named with Meddling Mage while in exile?
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  • posted a message on [Primer] UR Storm
    Izzet Charm falls into the trap of doing a lot of things but not doing any of them particularly well.

    But certainly try it out and let us know how it works.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on [Primer] Ad Nauseam
    Echoing Truth is good but I think I like the Scry on Perilous Voyage better. How often are we going to need to remove multiple permanents with the same name?
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from Billiondegree »
    I am beginning to think that Mox Opal may be the ban target if the KCI deck ever begins to become problematic. We are not yet at this point, however.

    Then we can do the easy and obvious swap of Mox Opal for the 5 banned artifact lands. To me, Opal being legal while the artifact lands are banned is a bigger inconsistency than Stirrings being legal while Preordain is banned


    You have pushed for an Opal/SSG ban for a long time though have you not?

    I'm against any ban that side swipes Affinity, and I don't even play it.


    Opal yes, SSG no.

    Opal is keeping the artifact lands banned which is ridiculous.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    I am beginning to think that Mox Opal may be the ban target if the KCI deck ever begins to become problematic. We are not yet at this point, however.

    Then we can do the easy and obvious swap of Mox Opal for the 5 banned artifact lands. To me, Opal being legal while the artifact lands are banned is a bigger inconsistency than Stirrings being legal while Preordain is banned
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] - Grixis Delver
    Im surprised nobody is talking about the bans in this thread lol
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 02/07/2018)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from idSurge »
    EDIT: Honestly, I'm going to start looking into Legacy. They dont manage that format based on $ because they know its already a lost cause due to the reserve list.

    I'm sure as hell not. If you could imagine how mad I was at WOTC invalidating my $1500 Twin deck, I would be furious at them invalidating my $5000 Delver deck. I'm sure you could pick up the pieces and build something else, but I can tell you if I were playing Legacy right now, it would be Delver and I would be livid.


    The cards they just banned are dirt cheap.

    Duals will keep their value for sure.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    No changes to modern is correct. Even if Stoneforge should eventually come off, they do not do more than one modern unban announcement per year

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on State of Standard Thread: bans, format health, metagame, rotation, etc!
    No changes to standard. Good.

    Banmania in standard has officially ended.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
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