They'll be gone in the spring of next year, when whatever the block after Kaladesh comes out. I guess I understand why you hate Eldrazi, they do have annoying cast effects often
Not a fan since they first showed up. Giant, clunky, goofy trash that doesn't nothing to innovate the game.
Looking forward to the spring.
Shame everyone at the local FNM just copies the pro decks. Thanks Internet.
Griselbrand doesn't quite fit with what I was going for. I could have written my OP better. Things similar to Serendib/Erhnam where it's i.e. UX/GX. Not BBBB4. Though I do have a soft spot for Gris.
Even cards who's P/T are slightly higher than their CC. Such as Argothian Wurm
and the like. I'm aware it's all about preference (Erhnam sucks herr derr). Was looking for more ideas for on creatures that are single color creatures of varying sizes. Didn't see any threads that are just what I'm after out there.
Years ago, there was a 12 man big game free-for-all. Before my attack phase, I Berserk my Sliver Queen. I Regrowth Berserk and cast it again. Another Berserk hit it from across the table. I swung for 56 Trample. After damage was dealt, and the annoying Ashen Ghoul/Nether Shadow Deck was gone, I promptly bounced the queen with Karakas.
Rarely do I scoop, and certainly not just because I'm at a strategic disadvantage. That's just me I guess. The tools are there, just a matter of figuring out the most optimal ones. I also don't see a problem with Boon Satyr. Some number out of the sb could come as an unexpected angle to deal with it.
*Shrugs* The answers to BBoV that B/G has are sub-optimal. Tossing them in MD hurts B/G a lot. Putting them in SB gimps ones SB. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Yeah Devour Flesh would be the best, but there's other creatures (Mutavault..) on the board much too often.
Exactly this. There's nearly always another creature on their side, so devour flesh is a very poor answer to him. In terms of straight B/G, the answers to BBoV aren't optimal. Normally, when he hits, it's game. Just is. It's the nature of the make up.
I don't know what you are talking about. While Blood Baron can be a difficult card to play around, if by GB the OP means Dredge, I find the card to be threatening to the Dredge Plan, but not backbreaking. Devour Flesh, also, is a perfectly acceptable answer. It won't always get you the result you want, but it's plenty effective.
How is a card that forces your opponent to sac ANY creature, a plenty effective answer? Orzhov is creature based. No Orzhov player with any brain capacity has a lone BBoV on the board for Devour Flesh to do what the B/G player wants.
Where you either have enough of a board presence where they would lose more life on the swing back than they gained or by leading them to believe (either correctly or not) that you have something in hand that would advance your board to a point where the life gained is irrelevant. If you have a few creatures on board and they have a BB, you could represent that you have a Nighthowler in hand, or some other such play that would make attacking with their BB sub-optimal.
Theorycraft. B/G does not have a viable answer to BBoV. Devour Flesh is great, but doesn't stop him as mentioned in the above quote. Satyr? What B/G deck that would like to compete with other T1 decks is going to give up valuable space to Boon Satyr. There are far more needed things to put in the deck than Satyr. Makes the deck weaker to run him.
Plenty of other decks have 100% viable answers to BBoV. B/G does not have a one stop card that knocks him on his ass, and that's ok. Again, ever deck has an Achilles Heel. Just how it is.
[quote from="Misanthropist" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/552844-help-black-greens-answer-to-blood-baron?comment=11"]BBoV is hardly game over for B/G. It can certainly be a challenge but it can be overcome. Ideally you put your opponent into a situation where attacking with the BB is sub optimal, but if need be with the threats that B/G can present the B/W or Esper decks will have spent early turns using their removal to slow your board state. If mono black has the potential win through a BBoV B/G certainly can as well.
What situation is that? As an aside, MBD has a lot of problems with Orhzov also. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's highly improbable a B/G can take out a BBoV.
Every deck has an Achilles Heel. For B/G, it's BBoV. Devour Flesh? Because Orzhov is known for attacking with a solo BBoV as their only creature on the board? Boon Satyr? Better make damn sure that entire hand is empty, as it's assuredly got some form of removal in it. Given the plethora for W/B (more than G/B)...
Yes, Devour Flesh can take out BBoV but, consider the conditions needed for it to be effective. Same with Boon Satyr. Technically, yes they work. How often do you suppose you'll be in a game where you meet the conditions needed?
Scavenging Ooze is $6 not $20. Would people stop saying MBD is cheap when you remove one its most powerful cards? Oh yeah it's great when you don't buy $120 worth of mutavaults.....really sick of seeing people advocate the cost of a MBD deck that would lose virtually every mirror match and be greatly underpowered in general.
I think people ignore Muta in the cost of the deck, simply because it's presumed that 4 of would be in there. It's like the cost of admission. They shouldn't ignore it, as $120 on 4 cards is a lot (throw in the set of Seize also) but that's how people evaluate MBD as a whole.
That sounds like a problem of your play group, not a problem with the format. Mono Black is a reasonably inexpensive deck (besides Mutavaults, but it doesn't count 'cause every deck plays it) so it can be easily represented at that level. Summing up the entire format because of how your FNMs are going is like summing up a novel after reading the first page; it misrepresents the big picture and the actual state of the game.
GP Cincinnati, by example, has no Mono Black or Mono Blue Devotion in the Top 8, with Orzhov and Azorius popping up instead. Only 3 Esper Control decks means the deck is strong without having a stranglehold on the format, which is a far cry better than many past Standards. The Top 16 sported some more typical Black decks, but with a few others splashing Red, so the 75 is far from defined now. There's plenty of good about this Standard, and it's not just 'netdecking' (which I think is a term that should be put out to pasture, as the sharing of information regarding the game has gone so far beyond the times when that was supposedly a bad thing; now it's pretty much the norm, and this need to be original for some people- and the subsequent failure- somehow convince them that anyone who spends the time to take a more established deck and learn the nuances of it and tweak it as necessary doesn't actually do any work, which we should be able to agree is utter nonsense); knowing how to play the game well is why you see frequent competitors playing at the highest level.
It's Magic. Pretty much it. Entirely dependent on where you live (to a small degree). My lgs's are clogged with mirrors of the latest ptq's so I stopped going. There's zero originality so there's not much point in going these days. Shut things down last month when there were 17 decks at a fnm.13 were either mbd or u/w/x. Been selling off my big name 4-of's before sept and might take another look after rtr block has cycled and things in my area have changed.
It's fun if you like netdecking. If not, then you're sol, as that's pretty much what magic is now.
I hate Eldrazi. Hate them to the core. When they're gone? I'll dive back into Standard. Sure.
Not a fan since they first showed up. Giant, clunky, goofy trash that doesn't nothing to innovate the game.
Looking forward to the spring.
Shame everyone at the local FNM just copies the pro decks. Thanks Internet.
Anyone know, by way of Calendar and set dates, when Standard will be Eldrazi Free again?
Even cards who's P/T are slightly higher than their CC. Such as Argothian Wurm
I 100% forgot about Rev. Snap Mage also. Thanks for those.
Serendib Efreet,Erhnam Djinn,Restoration Angel,Dark Confidant
and the like. I'm aware it's all about preference (Erhnam sucks herr derr). Was looking for more ideas for on creatures that are single color creatures of varying sizes. Didn't see any threads that are just what I'm after out there.
*Shrugs* The answers to BBoV that B/G has are sub-optimal. Tossing them in MD hurts B/G a lot. Putting them in SB gimps ones SB. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Exactly this. There's nearly always another creature on their side, so devour flesh is a very poor answer to him. In terms of straight B/G, the answers to BBoV aren't optimal. Normally, when he hits, it's game. Just is. It's the nature of the make up.
How is a card that forces your opponent to sac ANY creature, a plenty effective answer? Orzhov is creature based. No Orzhov player with any brain capacity has a lone BBoV on the board for Devour Flesh to do what the B/G player wants.
Theorycraft. B/G does not have a viable answer to BBoV. Devour Flesh is great, but doesn't stop him as mentioned in the above quote. Satyr? What B/G deck that would like to compete with other T1 decks is going to give up valuable space to Boon Satyr. There are far more needed things to put in the deck than Satyr. Makes the deck weaker to run him.
Plenty of other decks have 100% viable answers to BBoV. B/G does not have a one stop card that knocks him on his ass, and that's ok. Again, ever deck has an Achilles Heel. Just how it is.
Devour Flesh. Which helps after a swing, how? Honestly asking.
What situation is that? As an aside, MBD has a lot of problems with Orhzov also. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's highly improbable a B/G can take out a BBoV.
Every deck has an Achilles Heel. For B/G, it's BBoV. Devour Flesh? Because Orzhov is known for attacking with a solo BBoV as their only creature on the board? Boon Satyr? Better make damn sure that entire hand is empty, as it's assuredly got some form of removal in it. Given the plethora for W/B (more than G/B)...
Yes, Devour Flesh can take out BBoV but, consider the conditions needed for it to be effective. Same with Boon Satyr. Technically, yes they work. How often do you suppose you'll be in a game where you meet the conditions needed?
I think people ignore Muta in the cost of the deck, simply because it's presumed that 4 of would be in there. It's like the cost of admission. They shouldn't ignore it, as $120 on 4 cards is a lot (throw in the set of Seize also) but that's how people evaluate MBD as a whole.
Third sentence of my post...:p
It's fun if you like netdecking. If not, then you're sol, as that's pretty much what magic is now.