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  • posted a message on Possible Secret Lair Leak
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Quote from Urabrask »
    And here it is, the seb one, with a nice trailer: https://twitter.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1330995306272579585


    I think can determine the arts for each one too they match the rumored cards easily

    0:05 - 0:15 swamp

    0:16 - 0:28 sower of temptation

    0:29- 0:44 damnation (my goodness that art is horrifying)

    0:45 - 1:00 enchanted evening
    The Damnation truly captures every aspect of the term. Looks straight out of Dante's Inferno. Could even be a book cover for it - same way Akroan Horse looked right out of a high school Classics Greek Mythology textbook. Just perfect captures.

    My favorite Seb art will always be Unknown Shores from Theros. Ahhh to see him paint more Theros, if only. Lately he's been making a lot of Black/horror themed cards.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    You would.


    I would what?

    What does "you would" even mean?

    Edit: because now it says

    Im sure there’s a lot you think you believe.


    Is this supposed to be more clever than the first thing or less to distract from your obvious pattern of preemptively making fun of other people for using accurate terms to describe your own bigotry?
    And there it is.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging


    You guys just love misusing loaded buzzwords, don't you? First Mary Sue, then "CNN bad," now fake news. When a post is composed of marginally-related buzzwords why would anyone want to engage with that earnestly?
    Define "you guys"

    Here's your available vocabulary list, per CNN's indoctrination rituals:
    Racist
    Sexist
    Bigot
    Misogynist
    Transphobic

    Except none of those apply to the valid reasons to criticize Kaya, or all Planeswalkers, as characters.


    Sounds to me you're mad people can see that you are many of those things and you'd wish people would stop.

    Meh
    Call me Hitler and you'll have fulfilled your purpose.


    You're going to have to work really hard to accomplish as much as that guy did, but I believe in you.
    Im sure there’s a lot you think you believe.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    There isn’t any merit in trying to go over an argument with an ulterior motive. If someone is arguing in bad faith you’re simply wasting your time. The issue in his examples has zero to do with Kaya as a character after all,
    Sounds like Fake News to me when the "ulterior motive" you've inferred is only your own delusion.


    You guys just love misusing loaded buzzwords, don't you? First Mary Sue, then "CNN bad," now fake news. When a post is composed of marginally-related buzzwords why would anyone want to engage with that earnestly?
    Define "you guys"

    Here's your available vocabulary list, per CNN's indoctrination rituals:
    Racist
    Sexist
    Bigot
    Misogynist
    Transphobic

    Except none of those apply to the valid reasons to criticize Kaya, or all Planeswalkers, as characters.


    Sounds to me you're mad people can see that you are many of those things and you'd wish people would stop.

    Meh
    Call me Hitler and you'll have fulfilled your purpose.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    There isn’t any merit in trying to go over an argument with an ulterior motive. If someone is arguing in bad faith you’re simply wasting your time. The issue in his examples has zero to do with Kaya as a character after all,
    Sounds like Fake News to me when the "ulterior motive" you've inferred is only your own delusion.


    You guys just love misusing loaded buzzwords, don't you? First Mary Sue, then "CNN bad," now fake news. When a post is composed of marginally-related buzzwords why would anyone want to engage with that earnestly?
    Define "you guys"

    Here's your available vocabulary list, per CNN's indoctrination rituals:
    Racist
    Sexist
    Bigot
    Misogynist
    Transphobic

    Except none of those apply to the valid reasons to criticize Kaya, or all Planeswalkers, as characters.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    There isn’t any merit in trying to go over an argument with an ulterior motive. If someone is arguing in bad faith you’re simply wasting your time. The issue in his examples has zero to do with Kaya as a character after all,
    Sounds like Fake News to me when the "ulterior motive" you've inferred is only your own delusion.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    To be fair, Viven is actually the worst character in MTG. Although only Vorthos know that. I remember celebrating her depiction in Zack Stella art and thinking she had this amazing story of a lost home, hoping she would get revenge on Bolas someday, only to get a righteous eco-terrorist that only drove my criticism of OP Planeswalkers further by single-handedly leveling an entire advanced city of powerful vampire mages. Mages that are capable of conquering an entire continent and crossing an ocean to hold their own on another, but an whole city of them couldn't handle one person.


    Vivien was my favourite planeswalker before Ikoria (just a little info for anyone thinking that there is an agenda behind my hate for Kaya).
    Vivien may look like a mary sue because she has too a super duper special power that help her out a lot. The difference is that her power isn't her but it's an item, if you take away her arkbow she's almost nothing (and she can't make another one. Not can anyone else); also she paid a high price for that power.
    But after Ikoria i hate her too. Actually i don't hate her, i just find her the cringiest thing ever made. I could handle an eco-terrorist extremist... but you have to write it in a good and credible way. What she said about Ikoria looked like the rambling of a vegan emo teenager who never met another real person in his life. If you wanna advocate animal's rights, ok. If you wanna condemn killing animals even for eating, you may sound a little dumb related to some fantasy planes, but ok i guess. If you condemn people just fightning for their own survival, to not get eaten... that's beyond dumb. That's a level of not being a credible character that shouldn't even be possible.


    Yeah, she's a lot more approachable in the Ikoria novel.

    @Ilovesaprolings, I know for certain that you've been consistently proactive in the past at standing up against not only racism on this here site, but also sexism and LGBTQ2S+phobia, so TBH, I'm not really all that suspicious of your own criticisms of Kaya as I am suspicious of the critiques given by a few of the other users on here. That is of course not to say that such would be impossible, and I certainly ain't perfect in these kinda things either.

    What I do know is that some of the critics and post-'likers' on our thread do indeed have a pattern of attacking WotC' efforts in making the game more inclusive, either in terms of gender, race, ethnicity, culture, sexuality or, in the case of some users, all of the above and/or more.
    So you’re not debating the reasoning or arguments, just the actual individuals. Not very objective.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging

    Not exactly. Characters experience undeserved and unearned fortune all the time and that's not a problem.


    That's like your opinion, which is clearly not shared by many others here

    If you are happy with Kaya going around in a norse block killing Valhallan spirits because "ghosts are bad!" good for you. But don't expect the same by people with a little better critical sense.
    If it comes out that the big bad of Kaldheim is some kind of ghost it will still be *****ty because when you think of norse mythology you don't think of a BBEG ghost and because Kaya can kill it extremely easy. She just need the stab the ghost with a knife (not a mary sue at all, totally a well balanced and thought after power).

    If you are so adamant at the thesis of racism and wanna expose us supposed bad racist mtg players, i suggest you to look at the announcements of Ikoria and M21. If the people triggered by Kaya were triggered also by Vivien and Teferi being the faces of those sets, you have found your racists. Otherwise, you just have found people who dislike Kaya because of the countless reasons that have been posted in this thread and that you are choosing to ignore.
    To be fair, Viven is actually the worst character in MTG. Although only Vorthos know that. I remember celebrating her depiction in Zack Stella art and thinking she had this amazing story of a lost home, hoping she would get revenge on Bolas someday, only to get a righteous eco-terrorist that only drove my criticism of OP Planeswalkers further by single-handedly leveling an entire advanced city of powerful vampire mages. Mages that are capable of conquering an entire continent and crossing an ocean to hold their own on another, but an whole city of them couldn't handle one person.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I think MTG overall has done a respectable job of taking the material, making it their own, hitting the more recognizable aspects of the source material while staying true to enough of the deeper cuts to keep those familiar with it satisfied. It’s a fair balance between Kamigawa level delving and the need to be relatable and meet public standards expectations. I won’t fault them for that.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Wait now I'm confused. Is she a bad person because of all her flaws or is she literally a flawless character because she's a Mary Sue? And don't you think it's a little silly to just use the term Mary Sue to describe a female character you don't like? Why not just call her a Karen too if these words have lost all meaning?


    She is a mary sue because she is a mary sue. She can solve any problem with her special power and come out unscathed.
    In the game mechanic is extremely easy to exile a spirit, but in the lore is a power that almost no one has.
    Except Kaya! Enter the miracolous power she received from birth and that she can can easily use without any training/character development/whatever. And no, that power is not also ghost-killing, is also planeswalking!
    And yeah, that can be said for many neowalkers and i say that about them too, don't worry.
    Returning to Kaya, she go to a plane, kill and extremely old and powerful being with a knife, get some money and get out.
    Oh yeah, let's add the fact that her power somehow let her bypass the fact non-walker can't do planar travels! That will totally make her a good written character!
    ... i don't get why i should like her. Is that because she helped a tyrant like Marchesa get in power? Is that because she helped Bolas with his plan? Is that because she got some money while doing so?

    There are plenty of neowalkers i dislike and that i'm glad are not the face of this block. In the end Kaya isn't even one of worse, it just striked me how much some people had to do mental gymnastic to defend what is a mediocre written character, at best.
    If you want to make it about racism, do it. Honestly i don't care about some strangers on the internet insulting me because i dislike their favourite avengers wannabe. I know who i am as a person, i know for who i voted and i know that being antiracism doesn't mean like the black character no matter what.

    In the end i just think that "ghost-killer mercenary get paid to kill some old spirits" doesn't make a good story for a norse block, no matter the skin color of the ghost-killer mercenary. Maybe Kaya will do something different this time, but let's be honest she's a one trick pony.
    If you really want a noncaucasian woman as the face of Kaldheim, idk probably Huatli or Samut could have been better. Huatli could learn poetry about Kaldheim's heroes and become a skald or Samut could have done... idk warrior stuff.
    Samut could be on Kaldheim to learn about gods of another plane, reminisce about former Amonkhet on a plane with still-living gods, etc. There's definitely a lot of character development they could do with Samut here.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I don’t have different standards. Your argument to suggest that failed when I did indeed react to Jace with criticism in favor of a native Zendikar PW fitting better alongside Nissa and Nahiri as two other natives with concerns for their world (which I also stated) than even my favorite character did.


    Believe what you wish.

    How you initially responded to the presence of your golden-boy in Zendikar Rising and so called "criticized" him vs. how you reacted to Kaya and dug in your heels re: her, are non-equivalent, nor are they even the same argument. As I recall, you even used the term 'Mary Sue' to describe the issues you had with Kaya. Nevermind the fact that your only complaints regarding Jace were wanting to see his "handsome face" and that maybe his role should have given to another different planeswalker that you also liked.

    Examine how you expressed Jace in glowing terms even when you thought there was a 'problem' vs. how addressed your 'problem' with Kaya.

    Yet the problem isn't unique to Tiro. Hell the first post on this thread had to be moderated for using racist language for crying-out loud! The issue isn't that people have criticisms about Kaya or planesalkers, but that people seem to indeed have double standards.

    We as a MtG community have to change.
    Actually, my very first post in this thread criticized planeswalkers as a whole, not specifically Kaya, and I called all of them Mary Sues. So again, you're clearly assuming what you want about my posts.


    But again there was no criticisms even of planeswalkers as a whole in the aforementioned Zendikar Rising preview thread, nor have you properly addressed the aforementioned different lenses of framing for your specific so-called "criticisms".

    Again, nice try. If anyone wants to check out more of this double standard, feel free to check out the Kaldheim Storyline thread in the "Magic Storyline" forum. It's 11:00 and I'm off to bed.

    There was already discussion in this thread about Dues Ex Machina/another spirit Legend dying (aspects of lore) that I was responding to with further criticism. And I already posted an example of criticism of even Jace being in Zendikar that you claimed didn't exist.

    I’m sick of Planeswalkers period. They aren’t written like explorers that learn from visiting worlds, but like OP Mary Sues that somehow how every advantage on the turfs of others. I like how Ixalan Jace and Vraska and Tamiyo overall were written, however.


    If anything, I responded to criticism of Kaya specifically by generally applying that criticism to how WOTC authors PW characters in general, instead. I didn't pin all the blame on her. It's always been about the writing of these characters, not gender or race, even if CNN tells you it always is.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I don’t have different standards. Your argument to suggest that failed when I did indeed react to Jace with criticism in favor of a native Zendikar PW fitting better alongside Nissa and Nahiri as two other natives with concerns for their world (which I also stated) than even my favorite character did.


    Believe what you wish.

    How you initially responded to the presence of your golden-boy in Zendikar Rising and so called "criticized" him vs. how you reacted to Kaya and dug in your heels re: her, are non-equivalent, nor are they even the same argument. As I recall, you even used the term 'Mary Sue' to describe the issues you had with Kaya. Nevermind the fact that your only complaints regarding Jace were wanting to see his "handsome face" and that maybe his role should have given to another different planeswalker that you also liked.

    Examine how you expressed Jace in glowing terms even when you thought there was a 'problem' vs. how addressed your 'problem' with Kaya.

    Yet the problem isn't unique to Tiro. Hell the first post on this thread had to be moderated for using racist language for crying-out loud! The issue isn't that people have criticisms about Kaya or planesalkers, but that people seem to indeed have double standards.

    We as a MtG community have to change.
    Actually, my very first post in this thread criticized planeswalkers as a whole, not specifically Kaya, and I called all of them Mary Sues. So again, you're clearly assuming what you want about my posts.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I don’t have different standards. Your argument to suggest that failed when I did indeed react to Jace with criticism in favor of a native Zendikar PW fitting better alongside Nissa and Nahiri as two other natives with concerns for their world (which I also stated) than even my favorite character did.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Is there something different about Kaya? Is there something unique about her character that causes this level of weirdly obsessive scrutiny and disdain that doesn't apply to these other characters?
    I've been criticizing this PW-centric narrative for years, so no. I merely revived this argument when I noticed the apprehension about which brand new character Kaya was here to kill on a plane we're literally visiting for the first time. I just noticed that Planeswalkers usurping native Legendary Creatures has finally been done in such excess that it's an expectation at this point. After Brago and the Obzedat, it's a reasonable assumption. And with Kaya also violating Planeswalking rules, it exacerbated the criticism. Kaldheim is a plane with gods, and frankly I care more about those unique characters from Norse myth than I do about Planeswalkers we can see anywhere.


    Funny. I don't recall you bringing up these concerns on the thread showing the Zendikar Rising packaging that featured Jace, even though the boy's prominence over and beyond plane-bound characters is just as explicate, perhaps even more-so, than Kaya's prominence over the same.

    *checks old thread*

    Nope. Not a single angry tentacle.
    check again, because I said that despite being a major Jace fan, I was hoping to see Kiora as a native of Zendikar instead, and didn’t understand what he’s actually doing on Zendikar again.

    But I’m sure that’s because I’m a sexist Misogynist.

    For the record, Zendikar already had its planar overlord equivalents killed by Planeswalkers (Eldrazi), which I criticized in this very thread, concerning Gideon and Ulamog, as another reference.


    Here we are! As I recall you even liked the post at the time.
    Two can play at this game!

    Here you are!

    Quote from Urabrask »
    The art also gives as a few tidbits.

    -Wondering if the Ulamog thing in the swamp will be a statue, or an offspring, that is now dormant.
    -The angel is using some of Kozilek bismuth on her weapon.
    -Could the ruin in the sky be another look at Emeria?
    -Seagate more or less rebuild.

    What I'm wondering is, how much of the Roil will be left on Zendikar, after the Eldrazi are gone. I also think it is strange that we got Jace her, I know the canon status of the two Ravnica novels is questionable, but I thought we would see him on Vryn and Kiora instead in this set, the fill out the native trio. Regardless it is nice to see "adventure" Jace, as a contrast to his last two visits to the plane.
    I also expected Jace to be heading to Vryn and Kiora to be here, using Thassa's Bident to rebuild the seas and coastal regions of Zendikar. She headed back to Zendikar after War of the Spark as well.

    I admire Adventure Jace regardless, giving me those Ixalan vibes I loved. But I do feel Kiora should have been here instead, despite Jace being my favorite character.

    The remnants of Ulamog after being blown apart with moss and vegetation growth is pretty cool. Future generations may mistake it for a statue of a god, but it was once living.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Is there something different about Kaya? Is there something unique about her character that causes this level of weirdly obsessive scrutiny and disdain that doesn't apply to these other characters?
    I've been criticizing this PW-centric narrative for years, so no. I merely revived this argument when I noticed the apprehension about which brand new character Kaya was here to kill on a plane we're literally visiting for the first time. I just noticed that Planeswalkers usurping native Legendary Creatures has finally been done in such excess that it's an expectation at this point. After Brago and the Obzedat, it's a reasonable assumption. And with Kaya also violating Planeswalking rules, it exacerbated the criticism. Kaldheim is a plane with gods, and frankly I care more about those unique characters from Norse myth than I do about Planeswalkers we can see anywhere.


    Funny. I don't recall you bringing up these concerns on the thread showing the Zendikar Rising packaging that featured Jace, even though the boy's prominence over and beyond plane-bound characters is just as explicate, perhaps even more-so, than Kaya's prominence over the same.

    *checks old thread*

    Nope. Not a single angry tentacle.
    check again, because I said that despite being a major Jace fan, I was hoping to see Kiora as a native of Zendikar instead, and didn’t understand what he’s actually doing on Zendikar again.

    But I’m sure that’s because I’m a sexist Misogynist.

    For the record, Zendikar already had its planar overlord equivalents killed by Planeswalkers (Eldrazi), which I criticized in this very thread, concerning Gideon and Ulamog, as another reference.
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