Having spent several years and several thousand posts here, this makes me very sad. I will happily migrate to a new location, so long as it is a traditional forum style and contains sections for Modern.
I don't mind reddit, but for the most part, I can't stand its branch comment system. It buries anything other than the clickbait trolly stuff that gets upvoted and spammed.
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amalek0 posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-GoWell, looks like I have to move my timeline up. I'll try to get a primer update in before archival happens.Posted in: Control -
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Ulka posted a message on End of an Erahttps://www.mtgsalvation.com/articles/49777-the-end-of-an-eraPosted in: Modern Archives
Over the past few years, MTGSalvation has become very much my home and most of that is due to the community like the Modern community. It has been an honor and a privilege to talk magic, modern ban list philosophy even with the chaos that can ensue and even more the deck brewing and philosophy with you all. On behalf of the staff past and present thank you all so much for helping us create this wonderful community.
But Im not just getting sappy in this post, there is more.
As Feyd mentioned in the article, we are working on a new home for anyone that wishes to follow us on that journey. It is still very much a work in progress, but our goal is to make our new home even more of a community site than what we have now. Beyond that, I can't say much just yet, but as we get closer I'll keep everyone informed in this thread.
If you have any questions or better yet, have any input on things you would like to see then please feel free to post in this thread and we will respond to the best of our abilities.
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timtamthebadman96 posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)Damn. Longtime member who's used dozens of accounts, now just lurker, reporting in. This single thread has kept me on this site for years. I can finally rest now. There wont be any more ******* arguments about Twin and getting reported for bringing it up years later. My watch is over.Posted in: Modern Archives
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ktkenshinx posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from CavalryWolfPack »Also, if you haven't yet, you should read this.
This is very depressing. The Reddit Modern community feels so much more scattered at times. I will miss actual conversation here instead of just people shouting opinions into the internet void. -
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NGW posted a message on Llanowar tribe (Dana Fischer preview)Big missed opportunity not calling this Llanowar Elf.Posted in: The Rumor Mill -
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DaveJacinto posted a message on UW ControlI had the last couple of days to test a bit the new cards from War of the Spark. Here is the list I ended up with. The testing involved playing a lot of Tournament Practice room, which I know it's not the best place to get the most cutthroat competition... Regardless I excluded from my logs any games against really bad decks, players that showed completely lack of understanding of what was going on, games where the opponent just left after getting their pet card countered... I tried to just gather the data of the relevant games. I'm not going to post a description on each individual game but feel free to ask anything.Posted in: Control
The goal is to spark some discussion on my individual card choices that may be a bit unorthodox for some. Feel free to ask about some of my sideboard plans. Specially since I'm not really settled on how to approach all of the matchups because having so more planeswalkers gets really strange when it's time to sideboard.
2-0 Frenzy Affinity
2-0 - 4C DShadow
2-0 - GTron
2-0 - GTron
2-1 - UTron
1-2 - Amulet
2-0 - GTron
2-0 - BR Midrange
2-0 - Burn
1-2 - UW Midrange
1-2 - BW Eldrazi&Taxes
2-0 - UG Delver
0-2 - Jund
2-1 - Dredge
0-2 - UR Control
2-1 - GTron
0-2 - UW Control
1-0 - UB Control
2-1 - GW Vizier Combo
2-0 - GR CoCo
2-0 - Ad Nauseam
2-1 - Merfolk
2-1 - Humans
2-0 - Living End
2-0 - U Control
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Joban8 posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadPosted in: ModernQuote from tronix »
not really. it has a lot of cool stuff going on, and the complexity with all the mechanics showing up is nice. however gotta remember that we see these things as long-time enfranchised players. people playing standard, many of which are new and or are from arena, wouldnt get the references or the same sense of nostalgia. the set is very time spiral-esque, but there is a reason that wizards considered time spiral a failure on their part.Quote from Lord Seth »Am I the only one who, when looking at this set, think "man, I really wish this was a Standard set"?
i do wish it costed as much as a standard set. the arbitrary price hike was absurd from the start, and nothing ive seen spoiled has changed that opinion.
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pizzap posted a message on [WAR] War of the Spark Previews: Modern DiscussionPosted in: Modern
With 35 non-land, non-creature, the chance of drawing something else is 25/60 or 42%. Chance of failing to draw a non-land non-creature four times in a row is roughly 0.42^4 = 0.03 or 3%. With 30 non-land, non-creature it with roughly be 0.5^4 = 0.0625 or 6%. You will fail most of the time (>50%) when you have 0.5^0.25 = 0.84 or 84% of your spells is creature or land. This is when you have 10 or less nonland noncreature cards in your 60 card deck.Quote from Nyzzeh »Could someone tell me what are the narset probabilities of failing to draw anything? The minimum number of noncreatures nonlands spells in your deck for Narset to not fail most of the time. -
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Joban8 posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadPosted in: ModernQuote from tronix »
yeah the bolded part is really what i find bothering.Quote from Geonova »I'm really trying to be optimistic here but I can't lie to myself about being disappointed. When the set first got announced I thought it would be a good mix between old cards and new cards... then you find out it's only 15% reprints. I tried to stay positive, but with every reprint it just made me hurt even more. Professionals and casuals made lists of cards they wanted in Modern but now they're lucky if one of those made it into the set. As of now, there is no counterspell, containment priest, wirewood symbiote, quirion ranger, vindicate. It feels like the day I watched the Last Jedi -- I just feel hollow.
It looks like some EDH players will be happy, though.
i mean i get that we as onlookers would be predisposed to focus on reprints when theorycrafting what the set might look like or contain (ie its much harder to envision cards that dont exist). however i still expected more influential, or at least iconic reprints, to be mixed in. plenty of cards yet to be spoiled, but what has been shown so far is considerably...different than what i was expecting. like where are the cards such as vindicate, deed, wild growth, fire/ice, sterling grove, quirion ranger, etc (would have included counterspell in that list)?
i do think some of the newly designed cards, and even the remakes are powerful enough to see play thus impacting the format somewhat. its just off-putting to not see the reprint inclusions that i think many would have rated as clear winners (without being absurdly warping).
lets just say ill be less than pleased if it ends up where most/all of those cards dont show up and instead we get a meme bear tribal and ninja support. not to say that stuff shouldnt exist, rather that there is a time and a place for those things. the FIRST AND ONLY product that can bypass standard into modern might be better served with you know...getting relevant cards into the modern format.
You perfectly articulated my thoughts on the set. Being the first set to bypass standard into modern, the way it was marketed by the mothership, and the name itself made players think they would be getting a set designed to fill some gaps in the format and maybe a few cool new cards to boot. I don't want to jump the gun and crucify the set when only ~50% has been spoiled, but the back half will need to carry the first if wotc wants this set to be anything more than sweet EDH fodder plus a modern-relevant land cycle. If the remaining spoilers contain the same level of mediocrity then I'm clueless as to what R&D thought they would achieve with this project. The only explanation that makes some sort of sense to me is that maybe WotC thought they'd be killing legacy if modern were given access to staple reprints.
What makes it even more baffling is the fact that by going down the route of just 15% reprints, you make the set exponentially more difficult/expensive to produce due to increased R&D, labor, time, etc and end up taking a much larger risk as you're hoping your set of predominately brand new cards has an actual positive impact on a format with an already diverse card pool containing millions of interactions. Chalk it up to overconfidence, ignorance, or apathy; either way, it's not a good look and suggests a significant lack of understanding regarding the format as a whole. You'd think that the people who are allegedly monitoring format health would know a thing or two about the modern infrastructure and which existing cards, that they can extrapolate data from b/c they exist, could be introduced into the format to remedy things they may perceive as degenerate, balance the color pie, aid bottom tier archetypes, etc.
To reiterate my overall outlook on the set, I'm cautiously optimistic about the second half and don't want to jump the gun. However, a second half which mirrors the first would make this set a complete flop in my view or at least in terms of what it was marketed to be. Maybe R&D assumed functional variants of legacy staples would serve the same purpose as reprints, but at this point in time it looks like that kind of thinking and lack of established reprints will be the two notable failures should MH ultimately miss the mark. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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like he admits that his evaluation of FoF is based on him being big on glimmer of genius for a while; a card that saw intermittent play but was never adopted as standard tech in any UWx control deck. though i will acknowledge his point on it being able to play through an opposing narset; which may be very relevant to someone like nassif who has to prepare against a tournament meta riddled with UW.
i do agree with his rationale of cutting colonnades. the card just isnt carrying as much weight as it once did, and the liability of a ETB tapped land became more pronounced. whether 'cutting' means going down to 1-2 or 0 im less confidant about. i remember a random UW list showing up at some point last year with no colonnades, a lower land count, and mishra's bauble including (some number i cant recall) monastery mentors. i thought it was a novel idea, but never explored it beyond that.
the big question mark with archmage's charm is: can you play it and field of ruin? (with it still being good) field is one of those innocuous things that has acted as a pillar of this decks success for over a year now, making it hard to see UW control without it unless there is a major divergence in builds. blast zone is also strong, but until proven to be much more impactful than i believe it is, its kind of a 1-A flex inclusion.
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edit: dont get me wrong, im hopeful to see some surprises too. like maybe cabal coffers makes it without being upshifted to rare. or grindstone at common.
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likewise if people start packing hate against you, you go to the next level and look for ways around it. that is what meta-gaming is - the game above and outside the game. maybe modern has just been in this non-meta state with all its 'diversity' that people dont see it like that anymore. fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your perspective, a common characteristic of top modern decks has been their robust and therefore hard to pin nature. decks need to be able to do everything, sideboards need to cover everything, etc. so more often we see entire decks rise up to counter one another, which drives people to the idea of needing to be able to switch decks to keep up.
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as for yawgmoth...yeah id wait on that one. im very skeptical about it being able to command a 35 dollar price tag, even at mythic. unless it turns out its craaaazy good in commander or something i dont see it going UP while its in print. less sure on whether it will go down much and when that would happen. IMO its low risk to just wait
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Creature - Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
Whenever you or a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter that spell or ability unless its controller pays 1.
pretty interesting tribal addition if you ask me. humans, spirits, and merfolk come to mind.
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for modern we are much more critical of the cards. the two things that stand out to me isnt that there werent enough things aimed at the modern format. rather its that we are getting a bunch of new designs which are largely unknowns as shown by countless examples of the community's inability to evaluate cards. this is in place of what many, myself included, expected would be the multitude of old reprints discussed and analyzed over the last few months that i believe seemed easy inclusions and within the strike zone of not disturbing the format too much, but still impactful. then to top things off the product has a 'premium' price tag, so any disappointments or unrealized expectations are magnified.
for anyone thinking horizons would just flip the format on its head with a bunch of high powered legacy cards...well that is on them; because people have been explaining why that is irrational since the day horizons was announced.
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as for UR phoenix, im not sure if youve played the deck but one of its strongest aspects is board control; especially against decks that are soft to bolt, gut shot, and thing in the ice flips. aside from the most explosive draws it has midrange elements