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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from MrTzoulis »
    Yeah, having a hand and/or draws that are near perfect makes something degenerate. No *****, who knew. I mean, Affinity (Hardened and regular) can kill you on turn 3 and in extreme cases turn 2, are they degenerate? Burn can kill you turn 3 and usually you're effectively dead on turn 4. Hell, GDS can kill on turn 3 and also in extreme cases turn 2. I'm not seeing anyone calling the above degenerate...

    I've played Phoenix for over 5 months non-stop, those extreme draws are as likely as just spamming cantrips while your thing got pushed/pathed. If you're trying to make an argument at least try and make it based on the average speed of the deck, not on god hands and extreme positive variance.
    i think you are (wrongly) applying the negative connotation associated with the word degenerate. its just a label with a vague and mostly implicit definition. unfair, degenerate, linear, proactive, reactive, non-interactive, etc, etc. are just classifications.

    UR phoenix, like many top decks now and in the past blurs the lines between macro-archetypes like aggro, combo, and midrange. however it is still doing degenerate things, which becomes most obvious with its most explosive draws. the interactions, such as cheating on mana by getting a bunch of creatures for 'free', do go beyond what i think many would consider the normalized or structured play patterns for the game. context matters of course, as some things are more or less broken, unfair, degenerate, or whatever you want to call it depending on whats going on around it; however im not sure many besides yourself would balk at using such terms to describe whats going on in UR phoenix.

    like hardened scales? yeah id call some of the crazy things it can put together unfair, with the subset of the craziest stuff as degenerate. burn on the other hand, its very linear in its axis of attack, but its just machine gunning spells by hardcasting them; which isnt any more 'unfair' or 'degenerate' than the same strategy seen in standard.

    at the end of the day though, it really doesnt matter what you call the decks as long as there is mutual understanding happening when talking about them. we can understand that a deck like dredge, or to a smaller extent phoenix, are just fundamentally different than a zoo beatdown deck.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on End of an Era
    yeah this definitely disappointing, though im grateful for years of service from everyone in the background supporting this site through thick and thin.

    something being in the works to carry on the soul of mtgsalv is heartening, and i would definitely join when and if it ever comes to fruition. as others mentioned a base of a traditionally styled forum would be great, and it doesnt need to be fancy or anything out the gates (im assuming some content-management-system is planned to be used). i dont think any social media integration is warranted (id personally prefer none). card linking functionality is needed of course.

    it may also be helpful to establish continuity of the content from here, even with something as simple as linking the end of threads to new ones established at the new site. no reason not to leverage ongoing user generated content to set the tone of the new location as an information hub (mtgsalv is still going to dominate search algorithms for years to come). i havent looked too much into what discord offers in terms of integration plugins, but i think itd be neat to have a balance of 'chat' functionality and more comprehensive forum threads at some future point after things are established.

    also dont forget (or feel bad about) asking for donations, and having links set up to take them. im not averse to chipping in what little i can from time to time, and optional crowdfunding can be a powerful tool.

    cheers~
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on Tectonic Reformation (Good Luck High Five)
    Quote from Mishotem »
    I want to know more about that flavor text.
    yeah same. who is the person in the art? or is it some unnamed character just to give the card flavor
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on Tribute Mage
    finds both pieces of the thopter sword combo

    edit: just realized that the dude is literally holding sword of the meek in the art
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Sad news. I hate reddit, and I've not found a better Modern forum.
    for sure. i dont mind reddit personally, and have used it for years, but i recognize it for what it is - a medium for collecting surface level bite-sized information and commentary. in depth discussions spanning days, months, and even years just isnt a thing unless the sub is really focused; which isnt common.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from Thenarus »
    The BW and GB rares spoiled over the last two days all but guarantee no reprints of Vindicate or Pernicious Deed. This set...it's flavorful and interesting, but I can't help but be a bit disappointed by the lack of playable reprints for Modern. Don't get me wrong; there are some quality cards here, and I'm an older player who probably got too invested on the chance for some old favorites to make it into Modern. That said, for $10 a pack, I was expecting a few more bones to be tossed than what we got. At least the land cycle is amazing.
    yeah i think wizards gave the modern community just too much time to stew after the product was announced. its months of people speculating on old reprints showing up, which really doesnt look to be the focus of the set at all.

    the price tag isnt doing any favors either. its like they set up a product thats good for stores to open and sell the singles, cause who else wants to foot the bill for a bunch of cards not very relevant in the format you are playing. also, no matter how good the draft format is, people arent just gonna jam it regularly when it costs twice as much; not to mention core 2020 is right on the heels of its release.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Modern Horizons Name and Number Crunch
    i mean the issue for slivers is that humans, and to a lesser extent spirits, sets a really high bar for utility, disruption, and speed for any tribal deck; especially a 5-color one.

    i see allies in the same boat, it explodes onto the board but does little else. im sure they would also like a curse catcher/mausoleum wanderer, thalia, freebooter, meddling mage, etc. because its those sorts of things that let you compete in a field as diverse and powerful as modern.

    goblins, even with the help from mh1, is in a similar situation. patrick sullivan/cedric phillips covered it pretty well on stream last weekend: without port and wasteland to really push that mana advantage you are looking at cards like goblin grenade and bushwacker to go all in. matron and that BR flash goblin are great inclusions, but there still doesnt seem to be enough to prompt you to go bigger and try to play that midrange/control plan like legacy goblins does. the tribe, being mostly mono-red, is pigeonholed into all in aggro because there just isnt enough disruptive tools available to support anything else.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    yeah i wouldnt be surprised to see the horizon lands bottom out at around 15. which is kind of ludicrous for rares in a print to demand set with such mass appeal, but the higher price tag on the product is what it is. they are also kinda 'no-brainer' long(er) term holds, so even people opening them who dont need them right away arent going to be rushing to sell. foils are probably going to be crazy right from the get go without dipping much, if at all.

    i do want to pick up some copies to play so ill probably just bite the bullet at anything under 20; rather than waiting around 1.5-2 months to save 15-20 bucks.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from Lord Seth »
    Am I the only one who, when looking at this set, think "man, I really wish this was a Standard set"?
    not really. it has a lot of cool stuff going on, and the complexity with all the mechanics showing up is nice. however gotta remember that we see these things as long-time enfranchised players. people playing standard, many of which are new and or are from arena, wouldnt get the references or the same sense of nostalgia. the set is very time spiral-esque, but there is a reason that wizards considered time spiral a failure on their part.

    i do wish it costed as much as a standard set. the arbitrary price hike was absurd from the start, and nothing ive seen spoiled has changed that opinion.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Kaya's Guile
    1WB
    Instant
    Choose two -
    * Each opponent sacrifices a creature.
    * Exile all cards from each opponent's graveyard.
    * Create a 1/1 white and black Spirit creature token with flying.
    * You gain 4 life.
    Entwine 3 (Choose all if you pay the entwine cost.)

    this is quite the modular card.
    Quote from Stille_Nacht »
    And more decks will be good against it. When scales was actually good last PPTQ season (and I spammed it), we had a spread like this:

    Humans (1st) (Very good)
    Spirits (2nd) (Very Good)
    Tron (3rd) (Favored)
    KCI (4th) (Bad)
    Hscales (5th) (Even)
    GB (6th) (Very Good)
    Burn (7th) (Good) (High variance though)
    UW Control (8th)(Very Bad)

    This contributed to the string of GPs that put our deck on the map so to speak after being jank for a good while previous. The matchup spread is why I eventually qualified for pro tour.

    The current meta is pretty unfriendly, which is why we're 9th or 10th at the moment depending on the day's update. The top8 transitioned to:
    Humans (1st) (Very Good)
    Tron with 4 Karn (2nd) (Bad)
    UW Control (Very Bad)
    UR Phoenix (Bad)
    Dredge (Even)
    Amulet Titan (Favored)
    Burn (Good)
    Monored Phoenix (Favored)

    The card is not narrow, at least not more narrow than stoney silence. The problem is that decks that DIDNT play stony silence get this card, and we don't have an easier time removing it because we have no burn. Additionally, green decks actually particularly like this more than stony because it hurts tron a lot more than other available 2 drops.

    Unfortunately, introducing stony silence on a bear means that Amulet titan goes from Favored -> Even or Favored -> Disfavored depending on how many they run (they only have to run 1 because they have pact). Humans gets a much easier to cast hate card which is also not Nature's Claimable, meaning we have to either split our side or dilute our main. Our GB matchup gets substantially worse, because they go from barely playing creeping corrosion to instead playing stony silence, though they're also hovering between 9th and 12th at the moment.

    My point is that it's not really hyperbole to say "do not bring this to a tournament". The spread is not good enough. You'd basically have to hope that you luck into matchups against decks 7 and 8 for most of the day. It's like prison. Sure there is like 1 or two good matchups like Arclight, but really you shouldn't bring prison to a big tournament right now.

    TL:DR - cards get played in decks.

    its hyperbole because you are talking about percentage points in 3-4 decks that comprise 20% or less of the meta at any one point making another deck unplayable (as in not even an option in tournament settings). it also assumes that you make zero adjustments of your own. which isnt to say that metas cant become unfriendly to whatever decks, because they can, but you are conflating that with a deck no longer being 'viable'.

    its no more 'deleting' hardened scales from modern (your words from a previous post) than damping sphere did to tron or storm. do you honestly believe it will be so bad for hardened scales your deck will be in the same league where decks such as elves, merfolk, mono-u tron, 8-rack, blue moon, etc reside; because that is actually tier 2+.
    Posted in: Modern
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