Quote from Darkbrew »I find it hard to believe that people think cruise is okay when legacy players agree its too good there. its just right to splash for cruise in any deck
Something else worth remembering. Card draw is generally at its weakest in redundant decks; that is, decks that have a lot of cards that basically do the same thing. In those decks, it doesn't matter so much what you're drawing, so the card draw card is weaker because it could be an immediately useful card rather than something to get you cards. It's why Merfolk doesn't play Serum Visions; the deck is sufficiently redundant that it's better that that Serum Visions be something immediately useful, rather than replacing a threat with a card that will just make you spend extra mana to get a threat. And Burn is possibly the most redundant deck that exists.
Something like UR Delver gets considerable strength from card draw because it’s actually quite dependent on having certain cards to do its thing; all the spells in the world don’t help you much if you have no Young Pyromancer, Delver, or Monastery Swiftspear. Similarly, without spells, those cards are pretty unimpressive. Burn, however, is basically a bunch of cards with a very similar purpose, diminishing the strength of card draw.
Quote from Lord Seth »After playing some more against the decks, I think Monastery Swiftspear is more responsible for the rise of UR Delver and Burn. Treasure Cruise certainly doesn't explain why the Burn lists that aren't even running it are still doing well.
Treasure Cruise is great, especially in UR Delver, but the extra aggression that Monastery Swiftspear provides (it can easily feel like a Young Pyromancer that costs 1 less mana and has haste) is a huge factor in sealing up games quickly.
I honestly think that Burn and UR Delver without Monastery Swiftspear would be worse off than Burn and UR Delver without Treasure Cruise. I can't say that Monastery Swiftspear is exactly broken, but I think it's more responsible for those decks dominating the metagame than Treasure Cruise.
Quote from Havrekjex »I just realized Eidolon of Rhetoric almost completely turns off Monastery Swiftspear. When EoR is out, Swiftspear can't grow larger than what EoR can wall. That plus Eidolon turning off chain cantripping should make it worth considering for the SB.
Quote from damagecase »Here's a ridiculous idea: what about banning delver? I mean is it possible that it is too good for the format?
Quote from kanoyugoro »Except that every time I play against delver, I have yet to see them flip it reliably. There isn't enough topdeck manipulation for that to be a thing. It's often stuck as a 1/1 for multiple turns.
Quote from Pistallion »What does it even matter if delver has an answer to Batterskull or not?