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Magic Market Index for June 8th, 2018
 
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  • posted a message on UB(x) control
    Quote from GPash »
    What is Guillaume's list?


    http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=19359&d=323145&f=ST&show_pts=Y

    This is probably the most tuned control list from the pt. Everything is instant except teferi, and ascanta and nothing can really be played around. It is hard to know to not play scarab god since the card is super strong but the creator of this list knew to just stick with hulks and teferi.
    Posted in: Proven (Standard)
  • posted a message on UB(x) control
    Quote from corranhorn01 »
    If anyone is interested, Jim Davis is playing Guillaume's list on stream now. Should be in a vod later.


    I highly recommend that list over all other teferi decks. I tried them all and that one has the least glaring weaknesses. The black removal is better against aggro than settle the wreckage is and the mana is solid.
    Posted in: Proven (Standard)
  • posted a message on UB(x) control
    Quote from corranhorn01 »
    I was listening to Todd Anderson's commentary in the SCG event this weekend (pre show) and he was talking about really liking Approach atm. As it just closes games instead of the stall outs that seem to happen. With the 7 life being just enough of a buffer.

    Do you think we could look at that in the board as a 1 or 2 of? Specifically in the UB Teferi lists. Just as a way to diversify as the WW for Lyra could be problematic if people are going that route.

    EDIT: Autocorrect...


    That was a call for the PT because his team felt like constrictor decks would be more popular. Uw has a major problem vs that decks board plan because they do not need to attack to beat you anymore so settle and seal away become blanks. If you are base ub you do not have those problems. In my opinion ub should be a gearhulk deck so you can close games out with gearhulk unlike the no wincon teferi decks.
    Posted in: Proven (Standard)
  • posted a message on Pro Tour Dominaria/Richmond - Standard/Draft - 6/1-3
    Uw control had insane records in this event but a lot of the pilots did not do well in draft. This event confirmed to me that Teferi is insane. Brad Nelson went undefeated in games not matches games with the deck.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    Quote from TomCourtenay »
    I'm with most of you guys : he's not bad at any means. It's juste that the hype was so strong, like it would be the savior of control decks and turn the tide around every time you'd play it. He's for sure to be included in a control deck, but 1-2 copies mostly. He really needs help and Legacy helps him with the card pool. Having more creatures also is a gambreaker for him (as well as failing the bolt test). But when he works, he works very well. I'm happy at 1 copy, could go up to 2, but I'm satisfied with a 1/1 split with Teferi.


    This. No one is saying he is unplayable. His 0 is still the strongest effect printed on walker. The thing is within the context of the format his strength does not shine. I played with Jace in every format he has been legal in and he just feels like a different card in modern. The situation is similar to when he was barely played in standard when jund was the deck. Jace did not become the oppressive beast he was in standard until Alara block rotated out. Currently modern is too creature focused and is based on mana efficiency more so than card advantage and spells. We live in a world where jund is considered clunky and bad because its spells are too expensive.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    Quote from TomCourtenay »
    Quote from Cody_X »
    People are hard on jace, IMO. He's still a fine card to play, and he provides a lot of value if you can keep him in play.


    He's fine. But ''if you can keep him in play'' might be the issue. Honeymoon is pretty much over, Teferi took over in several builds. He's still one of the best planeswalker we ever had, for sure. It might just be that we had such great expectations that are now deceived, that's maybe why we feel he's not up to the test.


    People who said Jace would wreck modern just did not look at power level in the context of a format. Planeswalkers are generally stronger in slow formats like standard and more non creature spell based formats like legacy and vintage. Tapping 4 at sorcery speed without cheating mana, affecting the board, or having free counterspell backup is just asking to die in modern.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on Karn should not exist in standard.
    Quote from TheBlueOne37 »
    Wasn't the main reason Smuggler's Copter was banned was that it could be a 4 of in legit any deck that played creatures? Now we have a card pushing 60 dollars that can be a 4 of in every single standard deck if you want to play it. I realize it will come down some, but 200 some odd dollar playset of anything should not be a thing in standard. If anyone is actually paying close to 500 dollars for standard I implore you just play a different format. You can buy good modern decks for that price.


    That price tag is mostly because Karn is good in Vintage. Teferi is the better card in standard.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Vault756 »
    Quote from PimpDonny »
    Looks like Ben nikolich is in top 8 with his jeskai draw go list, I seen he was on nahri over ajani which is interesting.
    List is here. I actually greatly prefer this version to the Queller versions that have been springing up lately. I wish I could talk to the guy to get some insight on it. Particularly Search for Azcanta. I know a lot of pros have their eyes on it, I saw Ali Antrazi playing it at the team constructed open in Baltimore and Shaun put out some videos on it over on SCG. I'm just still not entirely sold though. Everyone thought Nahiri+Emrakul was amazing until the metagame got smart to it and then we heard similar things about how As Foretold was going to revolutionize control. Admittedly Search looks way better than either of those but I haven't played enough games to be sure of it myself.

    http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=117663


    Search for ascanta is pretty much a planeswalker that cannot be attacked. It is probably the best card to have in any fair matchup in modern but it is a turn 2 do nothing vs anything aggressive. 2 is probably the right number for this card because you do not want too many cards that do not affect the board early on but it essentially breaks grindfests.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I believe people forget the closing speed of this deck when evaluating it vs other jeskai lists. The most important part that made Twin strong was not that half the combo was instant speed (which is a weakness sometimes due to needing that half first) but because it was a turn 4 kill sometimes. This deck has that thing going for it all though a bit more vulnerable. That is a HUGE boon over Nahiri, and kiki/resto lists or just plain jeskai control. This deck steals games against the slow resilient combo or ramp decks that all other controlling list get crushed by.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I believe opt is going to be pretty huge for snapcaster decks. Snapcaster decks lacked a way to use mana when reacting was not necessary outside of clique. Now with Opt blue decks can leave up mana for reactive cards and if your opponent does not make a threatening play you can eot snap-opt. With those lines of play available I would suggest this deck going on a more tempo plan even if that does not syrgenize well with the combo. I would suggest going down to 21 lands for those who play 23 like myself or 20 for those riskier folk who played to 22 to make room for opt.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Hardened »
    Hey, all! I'm new to the deck, but have found myself a number of times with a large Saheeli against an opponent with plenty of creature removal; how do we feel about a single artifact wincon in the SB for control matchups, like Battleball or something?


    If you got to pin your opponent with saheeli that much you can just end tge game with burn or vendilion clique. No need to put an exspensive card that is a blank early game just to ult saheeli.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Davidalb »
    How are you guys fairing against burn? Anyway to deal with it? This seems like a very hard matchup.


    Burn was a bad matchup for twin and it is more difficult for this deck. You really just have to sideboard things like lightning Helix if burn is really big in your meta.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Prosim »
    At the end of the day I think it depends on how you want to play the deck. If you want to go the control route, then cryptic commands and snare might be fine. As for me, I have had success playing it sorcery speed. P&K are three blockers (potentially more) that allow me to have Saheeli in play without much problem. The card is extraordinary against GS since they don't have that many creatures, and they can be potentially killed by it.

    I know you hate Wall of Omens, but today it gave me the match against tron eldrazi. It blocks reshapers without issue and can be copied to draw one extra card.


    Walls are underrated. They allow you ignore things you never want to waste removal on while digging for answers against the stuff that does. Even against shadow it makes you not have to consider snapcaster beats.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    Quote from ecfIII »
    Edit: Figured it out! I present to you...

    Esper Thopter Control


    This list is something I've been working on for about a month solidly, I was playing the "Stock" Esper Control list about a year ago, before switching to USA to fight Eldrazi Winter, Then after the banning went back to Esper Control this time adding in Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek as well as support pieces like, Engineered Explosives and Academy Ruins to the main as well as another copy of EE in the board. With Thopter Sword in the deck my win-rate with the deck increased so much so as winning a GPT beating Infect in the finals, Coming in second at a following GPT losing to the mirror that also had Tron Lands and Crucible Of Worlds and proceeded to lock me out with Ghost Quarter. I then played in PA State Championship and finished top 16 of 82... Later that year I took it to GP Charlotte 2016 and finished Day 1 5-4, not bad for a "bad deck" and my very first GP experience. After this, what I felt was a failed deck, I switched to Grixis Control. Then I left Magic earlier this year and am now coming back. With my first love Esper Control W/Thopter Sword combo included. I would like to hear the feedback on this deck. And if any of you fine gentlemen/ladies would make any changes. So far in my online testing I have yet to lose to DS of any flavor, UW Control, Tron, Company.dec, or Eldrazi of any flavor. Of course I take this with a grain of salt as most pilots online aren't top level and also this deck isn't a known quantity as most people forgot Thopter Sword was even a combo... I'd love to hear questions and ideas about my deck... Please please Drill me and tear this list apart! I want to make it as best as I can and would love it if you guys even tested it out to see how it feels to play and give me some feedback. Thanks!

    -ECFIII


    What you are experiencing is being the one to ask questions rather than only answering those questions. Although I love esper draw go I cannot imagine myself not playing something proactive in an eternal format as diverse as modern. My current go to deck is jeskai copycat for that very reason.

    Anyway thopter/sword is a bit better now that abrupt decay is non existant in tier 1 and barely even in tier 2 decks ever since twin got banned and we got passed the eldrazi, and aggro combo nonsense. I would suggest you take your deck into a bit of a more proactive approach and abuse your artifacts more. Also to take your discussion to another thread because at that point it is a totally different deck but it is better than jamming thopter sword into esper draw go.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Bomby artifacts are not worth it for Saheeli's ult because drawing them naturally is bad. If we had room for ways to use them when drawn like thirst for knowledge it might be worth it but there just is no room for a thirst engine just to make that work when we have to also fit in stuff to syrgenize with saheeli's -2 and felidar guardians effect. Only artifact creature worth the slot if you want something to ult into is gearhulk just because it is a passable creature to play naturally.
    Posted in: Combo
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