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First league results are up and they're all Oloro and Tasigur, just like everyone thought.

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I mean, recently I saw a print from spastika where he was playing against VSL's Rachel Agnes. I have no idea if Rachel played 1x1 Commander before, but she's surely playing it now. Isn't that GREAT?

Who tf is rachel w/e and why should I care? Wtf is a VSL?

Vintage Super League, she was a competitor. Her stream and VSL are two things that are probably an order of magnitude more popular than Duel Commander.

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Banning blue cards is not the answer, taking away the 10lp cushion counters and cantrips were never designed to work with is.
And again, 30lp may let you make more non-competitive funbrews and not worry so much about other underpowered decks. But the proof of what format is better is in the ammount of different decks in top8s, from the las 5 tournaments I could find results in either format:

DC: Vial+Kraum, Baral, Reyhan+Bruse, Akiri+Bruse, Geist, Thrasios+Vial, Breya, Gitrog, Nissa, Atraxa, Keranos, Zurgo, Nin, Jace, Titania, Clique, GAAIV.
Leviathan: Vial+Kraum, Maelstrom Wanderer, Narset, Titania, Geist, Jace/Teferi High Tide, Baral.

Even before the Vial&Breya ban, DC has had way more decks in the competition. And by the way, Leviathan has Necrotic Ooze, Yisan and Marath unbanned from the start but they still don't show up. Which makes me even more unwilling to believe the problem with the format's stagnation is the card pool, the problem is glaringly obvious: 30lp.
What good is a format that pretends to be diverse, if none of the diverse decks has any hopes of winning or even making tops?

As fsecco said, Leviathan is dead. The new deal is DC if you want a competitive experience with archetype variety, or WotC if you want to fool around with the most busted Oloro list ever played in non-RC banlist 1v1. Which may be a lot of fun, but isn't what I want to ever end up having to do if I want to win in a 1v1 competitive setting.

Pretty sure non WotC 1v1 formats are dead, unless you want to play French where there will be bannings every quarter and with 20 life instead of a regular 20 life constructed format.

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Have we got more information about the official DC format ?
Wizbro give nothing... about this awesome format !

Can not wait...

Wednesday should be the announcement

Aftermath and Embalm with JvP sounds pretty cool.

Breya and Vial banned as Commanders, Yisan is back, and two more Moxen bite the dust. I'm really looking forward to what WotC will do for the real format though.

The problem for me is that the upper tier of the format is full of these decks. Legacy's got more power and speed but has safety valves. BG as the police deck has not really slowed the format down. Since Twin, it's been an alien nightmare followed up a format almost as fast as Philly to another set of bannings which doesn't seem to have slowed it down all that much.

From a thread with PV, Ari Lax, and Emma Handy:

Modern is a bad format for professional compeition, but it's a really good format for getting people into seats at regular levels of competition. Seems to be the best distinction I've seen so far.

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Legacy is doing better at my local level because it doesn't require you build a Tier 1 deck to compete and stores have altogether removed all Modern support save for a single FNM, while Legacy has a community driven bi-montly League. Modern had a league too but the organizers dropped it because "that ***** is casual now".

Modern players didn't want their format to be casual, we were browbeat into chosing between losing our time and money investments through bans, or shuting the **** up and letting the pros have one more big event to play babby magic at.

This doesn't make any sense. I haven't met a single pro team dedicated to modern anyway but a bunch of casual players suddenly drop the format because it won't be at an event they'll never go to?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/commander-1-v-1-challenge-2017-08-20

1st 3 4 Breya
2nd Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist Kraum
5th Tymna the Weaver Kraum
6th Nissa VS
7th 8 Leovold

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Whomever defends this format after this banlist doesn't understand Commander.

Hahahaha ah man, you always make me laugh with this stupid arrogant ***** you post here. Thanks!

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Maybe it's time to build Jund bluehate with nothing but discard and land destruction.
Boil, Boiling Seas, Tsunami BFF.

I 5-0'ed with Prossh and 4-1'ed two times with him. It does well against Baral and Tasigur because of the speed, especially with Dark Rit, Ancient Tomb, Grim Monolith and all the other elves and 2 mana ramp spells.

I disagree that Wizards ban policy is draconian. It's been doing pretty well in every format imo. The DC made a lot of dumb mistakes last year, which is what got us here in the first place, and I think they only turned that around this year with their 2 announcements that I believe were correct and, mind you not, replicated Wizards' ban logic.

I still think people adopting the new list has something to do with format preference in a sense. Someone pointed this out here (yujipooji?) but I guess players that prefer Modern (usually younger players) will prefer DC20 playstyle. Older players or Vintage/Legacy adapts usually prefer DC30. It's not a rule at all, but it feels that way in a lot of cases.

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It's very easy for you guys in Brazil to pick up the new format because duel already seems dead where you are. It's not even about replacing duel commander in that situation because it's as if there's nothing to replace.

Fsecco lives in an area where DC did indeed died but the area that replaced DC for 1v1 wotc banlist we have a rather nice meta, with weekly ~20 players and monthly 30/40 players tournaments.

Oh wow. That's bigger than what we have over here I think. How's the transition going?

Just heard how it went this week, their first tournamnent (it was a weekly, small one.

Meta:
2 Meren, 1 Marath, 1 Baral, 1 Rashimi, 1 Nissa, 1 Wydwen, 1 Marchesa Grixis, 1 Thalia, 1 Tasigur e 1 Titânia

1st place Nissa
2nd place Rashmi

I'm in love.

I feel we've been though this road before.

First of all, we should know what we're talking about: the format DC was with 30 life is NOT the format Wizards is right now. DC30 was way more balanced and diverse; Wizards is not - although it's more than people make it seem, since it's not a 2-deck-format as of now. So when I'm talking about 30hp diversity, I'm not talking about Wizards format, but about DC30.

With that in mind, diversity per se is overrated to me and shouldn't be the sole pursuit of a format. It's definitely important, no doubt about it, but I still don't believe a format should be strongly tinkered with to make a certain archetype viable. For example, DC30 became DC20 in order to make full-on aggro decks like Zurgo viable. That happened, but the whole hard-control and combo spectrum got nerfed with the same change. For me, that's not how you should work a format at all, instead should just be containing the real problems in the format, not tailoring it with biased preferences. So yeah, diversity is important, but every format has limits in its diversity and every format has unplayable archetypes - and that's ok.

Most importantly though, my area, which was D-E-A-D before Wizards' announcement, bounced back and is bringing players into the format again. So even if I wanted to play DC20, I wouldn't be able to maintain it here. That plays out diversity-wise too. You may think Bruse/Reyhan is too different from Saskia or even Geist, but they're all tempo-based aggro decks. That's not more diverse than Tasigur x Oloro control grindfests. So yeah it always becomes a bit about preference. I feel I could build a Daretti or a Rashmi deck in 30hp and just go to a tournament with, play well and have a chance or even win. That doesn't happen in 20hp for me. I must chose between 2-3 decks (because I'm not an aggro player, don't even have the cards to build a green based deck) and that's it. After the Vial/Breya ban all I can play is Keranos, Jace or Baral. Strong decks, I'm sure, but it's so limited...

The diversity I PREFER in 30hp formats is that they allow more budget players to come into the format and not be stomped. And I'm not even talking about rogue decks. I'm saying shocklands, Capture of Z, Rectruiter, Seal, etc. I'm selling my 1-of Liliana because I don't think having her is so important with 30 life than it was with 20 (I don't play black that much and Oloro doesn't really need Lili). Having 90% optimal decks with 30hp is good enough. With 20hp it's bound to blow up in your face anytime. You talk about how Zurgo is cheap, but it's the ONLY deck in that price range. Waht I'm saying is that a suboptimal Geist list will still be able to put up consistent results with 30hp, but not with 20.

Now, just remembering that I'm talking about a format that doesn't exist as of now. Wizards banlist is broken and bound to be changed - although I'm loving playing with it and so are the player in my area.

Tadan!

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