@crunkyeah: I´ll try kataki then. I found very useful Beast Within in main and I moved Dismember to side. I´ll use Dismember vs Robots too.
Talking about burn, I prefer CoP/Firewalker/Timely combination.
Vendillion is too hardcast in turn 3 (double U is difficult using main Blood Moon), so my main plan vs Twin is Beast Within, Violent or a mistake. They cannot combo us in turn because they´ll scoop if they try it xD.
Hi all! This is the first time I write here, but I follow you since the beginning.
The question is: which card is better for every tier1 to cascade when you think about your side?. I´m playing Alfonso Barcelona´s list with
-1 Gideon
-1 garruk
-3 Vendillion
-2 Dismember
+1 restore balance (playset)
+1 keranos God
+2 Beast Within
+3 Blood Moon
and I scoop vs Robots. I think it is not a bad pairing (50/50 main), but when I use side, I only can use +2 chewer and +1 anger of the gods. I continue 50/50 and if I loose the dice roll I usually end 1-2 (I only win when I start). Maybe kataki could be the answer, but: Do you really think we can wait our perfect cascade after include kataki in second game? Do you think that we must take out 1/2 restores to include kataki? Could be better use Hurkyl Return than kataki (after first cascade, we could cascade into kataki and we coulnd´t stabilize, so we need a second cascade into restore and this is not really good at that point)?
Edit: vs burn I have very good results using 3 Timely, 2 Firewalker and 1 Circle of protection red and removing 4 restore, 2 blood moon.
Hi Latern. I play 3xThalia and 3xDuress in my side, with only 2xKor firewalker. This help us to play vs combo, control and burn. Did you think about it before?
Silence has gave me one turn in agro matches, relax vs control matches and a tech card vs combo as storm and living end. I only have problems with lands in hand. Mulligan to 4 because I only have one land in previos hands. This is normal?, is one land a safe hand with this deck to keep it?.
About sideboard, I am testing myr incubator for changing win condition. I use this because of the stony, rip, progenitus and tormod, so I only have to use erases for stony silence. So I take off faith´s reward, open the vaults and I take 2 myr incubator and 3 erase when I suspect many hate like that.
Hi all. This is my first post here, but I´m playing zoo 5 years ago and I hope we can reach a close goal together.
First of all, I wanto to answer to CronoDAS: in my experience, I think that the second option deck you propose is the most value (add Blood Crypt). You could see how powerful is having 2 red lands in turn 4 with the 5cc there. II must add thet maybe you would like to play Snapcaster mage in the main deck. Playing Geist you will not have any problem ading this mage.
I write down my Tirball Zoo deck waiting some feelings about:
After banning Deathrite, this is the best configuration deck I could use. Some question are in my mind yet. I don´t know if lingering souls will be useful right now in the main. Another question is related with my sideboard: I have answer to most decks, but melirapod is a difficult pairing and I donn´t know what to do. If I can take a hand with multiple bolts and 2 creatures I can win, otherwise... . Rakdos charm is the card I don´t have to use so much.
Talking about burn, I prefer CoP/Firewalker/Timely combination.
Vendillion is too hardcast in turn 3 (double U is difficult using main Blood Moon), so my main plan vs Twin is Beast Within, Violent or a mistake. They cannot combo us in turn because they´ll scoop if they try it xD.
Thanks for your answer!
The question is: which card is better for every tier1 to cascade when you think about your side?. I´m playing Alfonso Barcelona´s list with
-1 Gideon
-1 garruk
-3 Vendillion
-2 Dismember
+1 restore balance (playset)
+1 keranos God
+2 Beast Within
+3 Blood Moon
and I scoop vs Robots. I think it is not a bad pairing (50/50 main), but when I use side, I only can use +2 chewer and +1 anger of the gods. I continue 50/50 and if I loose the dice roll I usually end 1-2 (I only win when I start). Maybe kataki could be the answer, but: Do you really think we can wait our perfect cascade after include kataki in second game? Do you think that we must take out 1/2 restores to include kataki? Could be better use Hurkyl Return than kataki (after first cascade, we could cascade into kataki and we coulnd´t stabilize, so we need a second cascade into restore and this is not really good at that point)?
Edit: vs burn I have very good results using 3 Timely, 2 Firewalker and 1 Circle of protection red and removing 4 restore, 2 blood moon.
-1 Spine
-1 terrarion
-1 expedition map
-2 fabricate
-3 mox opal
-1 myr retriever
+1 conjurer´s bauble
+3 etherium sculptor
+2 silence
+1 grapeshot
+1 island
Silence has gave me one turn in agro matches, relax vs control matches and a tech card vs combo as storm and living end. I only have problems with lands in hand. Mulligan to 4 because I only have one land in previos hands. This is normal?, is one land a safe hand with this deck to keep it?.
About sideboard, I am testing myr incubator for changing win condition. I use this because of the stony, rip, progenitus and tormod, so I only have to use erases for stony silence. So I take off faith´s reward, open the vaults and I take 2 myr incubator and 3 erase when I suspect many hate like that.
What do you think about?. Thanks!!
Thanks!.
First of all, I wanto to answer to CronoDAS: in my experience, I think that the second option deck you propose is the most value (add Blood Crypt). You could see how powerful is having 2 red lands in turn 4 with the 5cc there. II must add thet maybe you would like to play Snapcaster mage in the main deck. Playing Geist you will not have any problem ading this mage.
I write down my Tirball Zoo deck waiting some feelings about:
4 Scalding tarn
3 Arid mesa
1 Misty rainforest
1 Marsh flats
1 Stomping ground
1 Temple garden
1 Steam vents
1 Blood crypt
1 Hallowed fountain
1 Breeding pool
1 Godless shrine
1 Sacred foundry
1 Overgrown tomb
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Forest
4 Wild nacatl
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Grim lavamancer
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Snapcaster mage
4 Geist of Saint Traft
Spells:
4 Lightning bolt
3 Path to exile
4 Lightning helix
4 Tribal flames
3 Lingering Souls
1 Elspeth, Knight-errant
3 Thoughtseize
2 Stony silence
2 Torpor orb
2 Engineered explosives
2 Aven mindcensor
2 Rakdos charm
2 Sowing salt
After banning Deathrite, this is the best configuration deck I could use. Some question are in my mind yet. I don´t know if lingering souls will be useful right now in the main. Another question is related with my sideboard: I have answer to most decks, but melirapod is a difficult pairing and I donn´t know what to do. If I can take a hand with multiple bolts and 2 creatures I can win, otherwise... . Rakdos charm is the card I don´t have to use so much.
I hope you could give some feedbacks and ideas!