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lol timely, I hadnt seen this posted.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/i-spent-all-week-playing-with-jace-in-modern-it-sucked/

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Now that we have Jace, could it be a good idea to try Sword of Feast and Famine again? As a replacement for Mistbind
I mean it's a (tiny) bit of relieve to our mana curve and free to equip if it connects. It also allows us to animate our Tar Pits earlier due to the land untap.
At the same time it will push towards the +2 Jace softlock and give one of our quirky dudes some beef.

Question is how easy it is to protect...

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I wanted to explore and develop an esper list with you guys.

First of all I think the mana base can handle it but lets ignore that for the time being and just discuss why would we want white in the deck. What do we gain and what do we lose.

The biggest reason to include white is to gain access to path to exile which is premier removal in the format no questions asked. Fatal push helped us out a lot but doesn't hit everything, path is also one mana and catches the rest. Secondly is spell queller. If this card was a faerie we would be splashing for it. If it was just blue, we would be running it, but i believe its still good enough. 3 mana can be a tough slot in faeries, pretty much only occupied by clique. Queller keeps our tempo plan, denying pressure and advancing our own and everything about it screams Fae, flash, flying and disruption, it wants to be a faerie so bad. Finally esper charm probably the weakest of the inclusions but as an old esper control player its arguably the centrepiece of that deck. It lets us draw, something Faeries isn't the best at, mind rot and catch enchantments. Finally white gives some outstanding sideboard hate like stony silence.

To fit this in the deck the compromises are relatively minor. Path just upgrades things like go for the throat, doom blade or murderous cut. The biggest exclusion is any discard. I don't like discard. Its bad to terrible to draw one late game when the opponent is top decking. even early game it doesn't stop threats. It doesn't force the opponent to spend mana which puts a greater need to catch up on us. I think its more beneficial to be responding to their threats as they are played. Either kill spells or counters, force them to spend their turn but deal with their threat. its why fatal push has become so important. It gives us tempo as we deal with their card for less then it cost them to cast it. Disruption is fundamentally the opposite. We always pay more to deal with a threat then the opponent since it came out of their hand. Additionally discard i think primarily shines in combo oriented decks, something we dont necessarily struggle with anyways, so we can put it in the SB. The biggest downside is the loss of information disruption granted for the rest of their hand.

The most intriguing thing with this list i think is that it can play at 100% instant speed (minus bitterblossom) Something about every spell being an instant or flash creature makes our tempo plan very appealing as we only have to commit resources once we know what the opponent wants to do. It makes the deck very hard to play around and not having to do anything on our turn should force the opponent to slow down to not play into counters, while we can still apply pressure end of turn if they pass.

DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Creatures (13) 4 spellstutter sprite 3 snapcaster mage 2 vendilion clique 2 spell queller 2 mistbind clique Enchantments (4) 4 Bitterblossom Instants (19) 4 opt 3 fatal push 2 path to exile 3 mana leak 2 logic knot 2 esper charm 3 cryptic command	Lands (24) 4 polluted delta 3 flooded strand 2 watery grave 1 hallowed fountain 3 island 1 swamp 1 plains 2 drowned catacomb 1 glacial fortress 4 mutavault 2 creeping tar pit

So this is where im looking to take the deck. Would love to spark some debate around it

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Takeaways from this:

- Jeskai Control is a tier 1 deck, great conversion rate, along with E-Tron. People picked it up.
- Traverse Shadow not being played too much, but a supreme conversion rate, although N is small, thus that conversion rate does not mean that much.
- Storm is not a bannable deck, too bad of a conversion rate.
- Jund is non existent. Could use some help.
- White colour is still the weakest Modern colour by far. Could use some help.

Verdicts:

No bans, with a statistical certainty of 99%.

Bloodbraid Elf is unbanned.
Stoneforge Mystic could be unbanned.

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Scion of Oona doesnt improve any matchups so I think its bad tbh. You are better off running land hate such as blood moon/fulm mage/spreading seas then running scion since it just dies to the ping creatures that eldrazi tron runs.

I've played Scion of Oona from standard till now, Scion is only bad vs most hyper agreesive decks, and the only two that are played are zoo blitz and burn. Vs every midrange and control deck scion is amazing. Vs affinity scion is better because it pumps fae up a point not to die to 1/1's. Vs cord and commpany it lets you hold up counter spells then lets you alpha strike. If your playing scion over snapcastermage that lets you play Grafdiggers cage in side with no drawbacks. vs white eldrazi your faries can't be blinked and thats very big in helping bitterblossom do its thing. mid game scion plus countersquall or mana leak to stop removal then drop 2nd scion of oona on your next main faze you'll likly hit a ton even without bitterblossom as long as you have some other fae. Playing scion of oona lets you play less damaging mana bases by making Darkslick Shores, and Secluded Glen more viable. If playing scion of onnas I would reccommend playing a certain amount of draw cards or filters to make sure you hit your curve mainly smuggler's copter, serum visons, and Anticipate. I would allso play less removal because playing a lord you want more creatures of that type, and I'm big into that one of pestermite.

Scion of oona plays well with extra counter spells making it a very viable budget if you can't afford lili's and snap casters. I would reccommed scion of onna if your meta is combo, White eldrazi, affinity just make sure to play doomblades, over go for the t, cords decks, deathshadow Varients. even tron you can play counter squalls maindeck as 2 of just dont play any colorless lands other then mutavault, and play them Ceremonious rejection is sideboard.

And we are bad against hyper aggressive decks so why make the matchup worse by playing Scion? We are favored against slower decks (minus eldrazi/tron) in modern due to ancestral vision and bitterblossom being great grind cards already.

Hyper what? We are at least 50/50 or better against burn. We are more than decent versus Infect. Some of the forum-posters claim a positive score against Affinity (which I personally can not confirm, but fair enough). The only aggro decks we struggle against are the Creature-based aggro decks that do not care about 1/1 flying blockers. Burn and Infect, and as said to a certain extent Affinity although I personally would not rely on that, all meet these criteria. I can definitely see Scion being a bonus against Affinity and Infect.

What matchups does it improve? It should say something that every fae list that has placed doesn't use the card. Scion hasn't been relevant since twin was meta and I don't expect that to change unless they print a new faerie.

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Shadow is tempo not midrange

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lol timely, I hadnt seen this posted.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/i-spent-all-week-playing-with-jace-in-modern-it-sucked/

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Quote from idSurge »

lol timely, I hadnt seen this posted.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/i-spent-all-week-playing-with-jace-in-modern-it-sucked/

If you wish to see that being put in to practice...

Watch the stream of Gabriel Nassif. The mediumness of Jace is pretty astonishing.