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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from tronix »


    sTonEForGe mYsTIc liMitS desIgN


    List of colorless matters cards that have pumped Tron since Zendikar block:
    -Thought Knot Seer
    -Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
    -Walking Ballista
    -Sanctum of Ugin
    -World Breaker
    -Warping Wail
    -Spatial Contortion
    -Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    -Emrakul, the Promised End
    -Karn, the Great Creator


    List of modern playable equipment printed since Batterskull:
    -I guess Smuggler's Copter if you squint real hard
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from Kathal »
    Quote from Bearscape »
    I had a reply but I'm not satisfied with how I worded it so I'm going to think about it a bit more.

    In short, mainboardable Surgical Extraction means the format is too unfair for my taste, and it is very easy to post a Simpson's clip and say "just adapt".

    When Mirrodin block became so inbred people mainboarded 4x Oxidize, they also adapted, but that does not mean the format wasn't warped.

    The difference is: In Mirrodin Block you could run 4x Oxidize, 4x Shatter and 4x Viridian Shaman MD and it would STILL be NOT enough to deal with the Artefact decks. That is beyond levels of a broken metagame. Heck, even after the bannings Kataki, War's Wage was basically a must play, since the Artefact decks were still that freaking good.

    However, does anybody run even close to 6+ graveyard hate pieces in the MD atm? No, the most you see is either the 2 off Surgical or Nihil Spellbomb which you can play the playset of, cause in the worst case it cycles for 2 mana, which is below Modern standards but it still does something. Ooze is a special case, since you profit from creatures in general in the graveyard, but it is more often than not to slow to stop things like Dredge or a fast Phoenix draw, hence, it is better in the slower, removal heavy match-ups. Kaya is similar, although better in the Phoenix match-up since the decks which play her have access to good removal and thus can even exile the Phoenixes after they hit you once/twice. That she has also other applications (e.g vs Hardening Scale, or as mini lifegain vs Burn) makes her a more all-arounder instead of being a very specific interaction card like Surgical.

    Don't get me wrong, I would love to be able to play pre RTR Modern again, since it was the by far most fun I ever had in Modern. Playing Gifts Storm with Seething Song (Increasing Vengeance is hella strong with Song), RUG Delver with Shackles and Cryptics or even Kiki Pod was so much fun. What makes it even better was, that of those decks where pretty darn good, but all either faded away due to an evolving metagame (Delver), or ate a ban (or two).

    Holistic speaking, it was probably the most balanced and exciting Modern format I ever had the fortune to both play and watch, but than again, time went on.

    Greetings,
    Kathal


    My point is that people adapting does not immediately mean a format is healthy. The red thread of Modern has become that it's better to be linear and be hard to interact with than to try to interact. Triggering Phoenix off casting Surgical Extraction is one thing, but when UW runs mainboard Surgical, a card with virtually no text except against the decks where you basically need it in your opener because your deck of counterspells and removal doesn't really interact well, I say the format is warped. Benjamin Nikolich is running 3 mainboard Relics in his Snapcaster deck!

    Another example of a format being beatable but still warped would be the Vintage metagame, where everyone's sideboard and some mainboard has to greatly invest into beating Dredge. Dredge isn't broken in Vintage, it's not even the best deck, but you really need to be ok with half the cards in your deck being textless in many matchups to enjoy playing it.

    The format adapts and so do my decklists (to be on a more positive note, Narset and Ashiok from WAR are fantastic additions to Modern) but that does not mean I have to be happy with how the format adapts. And although there is no real single broken deck in the format, the type of strategy you should be playing if your sole intent is spiking a big tournament is, in my opinion, incredibly miserable and unfun.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    I had a reply but I'm not satisfied with how I worded it so I'm going to think about it a bit more.

    In short, mainboardable Surgical Extraction means the format is too unfair for my taste, and it is very easy to post a Simpson's clip and say "just adapt".

    When Mirrodin block became so inbred people mainboarded 4x Oxidize, they also adapted, but that does not mean the format wasn't warped.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    As long as skillful players deem it necessary to put Surgical Extraction in their mainboard I will not consider Modern to be "fine".
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Quote from jayjayhooks »
    Quote from Bearscape »
    As long as you still run 14 white sources, running 26 lands with 6 colorless sources does not make Dovin's Veto any harder to cast than if you had 25 lands with 5 colorless sources


    This math only accounts for paying a specific Mana cost on a specific turn;it doesn't account for wanting to play multiple spells in a turn cycle. Whenever you open on 2x colorless lands and a veto/absorb/logic knot you're going to have a hard time casting on curve or trying to double-spell.

    You also didn't account for celestial colonnade and glacial fortress; those numbers assume X untapped sources, which is not the case in a 4x colonnade deck - most lists run around 7-9 untapped white sources, not 14.


    The math of doublecasting also stays the same, your untapped sources ALSO stay the same. Keeping a hand with too many colorless sources would be a bad hand with a spell in that 26th land slot just as well.

    You have a jar with 20 red marbles, 5 green ones and 35 blue ones. If you replace a blue marble with a green marble your odds of taking out a red marble stay the same.
    Posted in: Control
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Very well put tronix and exactly my thoughts. I really like the idea of the Knowledge Pool combo since it involves a lot of the cards I love, but I think it falls at the same hurdle many brews do in Modern in that you just end up doing something reasonable that other established decks already do better.

    If you want to rush to the combo there are much quicker options and if you want to control to end with a lock JtMS and bigTef already do this.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Question. Which Teferi in the deck comboes with the knowledge pool? thanks.


    Both Teferi Time Reveler and Teferi Mage of Zhalfir create a softlock with Knowledge Pool. With one of those Teferis and Knowledge Pool on the table, whenever your opponent casts a spell from hand it will get exiled. They then get to choose a spell under Knowledge Pool to cast but since this is a triggered ability, they are casting whatever they are casting at instant speed (even when cast in their own main phase). Both Teferis forbid this, so the opponent can't cast any spells.

    Lavinia Azorius Renegade does effectively the same thing as these Teferis, and Spell Queller's cast on death trigger interacts similarly to Knowledge Pool with Lavinia and Teferis.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on UW Control
    If you go for the Knowledge Pool combo with little Tef I'd definitely also play Spell Queller and probably Lavinia, Azorius Renegade.

    Big question becomes why you are playing that combo and not something else like Devoted Druid.
    Posted in: Control
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Who the hell says anything about killing Modern? A new nonrotating format has been confirmed and it would be beyond foolish of WotC to not have RnD look at initial balance issues; hell, the community can't even agree on the right starting set for it.

    Ban policy appears to have shifted, this coincides with RnD preparing the upcoming nonrotating format. No mention of impending doom.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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    posted a message on [WAR] War of the Spark Previews: Modern Discussion
    Offtopic but it's amazing to me Shocktroopa is still going strong wit his Utron lists. Still consistently dragging The Little One-ofs That Could over the finish line when he could shuffle in forest and 4 Karn Liberated instead.
    Posted in: Modern
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