I got mine short, too, and, though I didn't even think of contacting anyone about that, I got a separate envelope about two days later with kinda "sorry-ubersorry" letter and the missing cards.
I would hate to drop the cash on this and then watch the "new foiling process" foil dragons curl up into a warped mess in my house, just like every other foil I've tried to keep. Gogo building a major city on a swamp!
Huzzah for the untap! It's a little weird for me though... I dunno it just seems like it will be abused far too easily... but then again... it's just kind of a costed vigilance that has an effect....
Except apparently Hermetic Study+Horseshoe Crab combo didn't annoy some people enough, and they decided to make a free version of that...
I am not sure if we already have this image (quick check on this thread didn't show it up), but here's what I got from my distributor:
Subject: Shadowmoor 'More fun, more cards' - retailer letter adjustment
Dear distributor,
Dear partner,
The new set Shadowmoor is launched on May 2nd already and prerelease events take place on April 19 & 20 and April 26 & 27, 2008.
NEW! Theme deck challenges at the prereleases!
Next to the normal sealed deck prerelease events players can now also participate in theme deck challenges during the prerelease weekends. A theme deck challenge can already be played as of two players!
Players need to buy 1 theme deck to participate and if they play at least 4 matches they’ll receive:
1 free Shadowmoor booster
The Shadowmoor prerelease promo card.
Shadowmoor ‘More fun, more cards’!
Because of the growing success of the ‘More fun, more cards’ action we’ve developed a similar promotion for Shadowmoor:
Players who participate in a Shadowmoor prerelease event or theme deck challenge event (this is new!) during the prerelease weekends get 6 extra Shadowmoor boosters when buying a full Shadowmoor display (up to 2 displays per event). They just need to ask for their ‘More fun, more cards’ participation card during one of the prerelease weekends after which they can pick up their display(s) in the store between May 2 and May 18, 2008.
There was an image of the mentioned participation card attached:
Not... really? What would it accomplish, exactly? Colorless mana is already pretty poor, and not in any particularly wide use; what would it accomplish, exactly, to make cards that can't be paid for with colorless (but otherwise can be paid for with any color of mana)?
It would make sense not in a cost, but in mana abilities. As for difference with "add mana of any color", it is subtle but noticeable when you have to float it. When you put then float 1 mana of "any color" in your pool and specify that it is red, it means you can play red, etc. If you float 1 "universal" mana, it is totally different.
Though I don't think it would make really much sense... A rather corner-case usage.
It seems that the futureshifted cards are immensely complicated, there are quite a few different types of them:
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3. Pre-prints. Like a reprint in reverse, these cards appear in Future Sight as the same card, but have different art and/or flavour text. Boldwyr Intimidator is the only known member of this category.
4. Exact Pre-prints. As MaRo explains, some pre-prints will be printed exactly as they appear in Future Sight if they fit the setting. We don't know any of these cards yet.
Exactly, ART including? Without FS card frame, it is just (3)...
Q: I see that Wydwen, the Biting Gale is the legendary card for the fae, but why isn't it Oona? She's the queen of the fae, according to the flavor text of Secluded Glen. Thanks.
–Thonzi, Laguna, Philippines
A: From Doug Beyer, Magic creative team:
Thanks for your question, Thonzi. Oona is a mysterious, elusive character, so her conspicuous absence from the set is actually well-suited to her nature. She shows up in card names and flavor text, as you've observed, so she clearly has far-reaching influence beyond her secretive Glen Elendra. We do have plans for Oona, but it's not yet time for her to take center stage.
Sounds awfully like "A: Because Oona is going to be a Morningtide's legend." to me. Not much of a rumor, but it is still a slow season anyway, so why not?
Now can anyone make out the expansion symbol? To me it looks like a Nike logo with a triangle on top of it.
Edit: Now after looking at it, it looks like an E making out with a backwards G:
Dunno. The symobol on the cargs themselves seems to be a balance -- only not slated like Judgment, but level. If it really is, it is too lame... As if it wasn't enough for Visions vs VIth, and Betrayers vs Xth vs Time Spiral to look too similar...
I'm curious to that art as well.
I'm pretty sure we haven't seen it before.
Can somebody make out all features of the bird to confirm it's some kind of mount? Because to me, it looks it may be some sort of contraption he's riding. I dunno.:-/ I may be looking into it too much. Edit: (I am looking into it too much)
As I mentioned in the other thread, it positively looks like Kami... Weird half-object critter with their trademark smaller objects flying around... Not Kami of the Drums, though, but of the Jugs... I hope there's an explanation for these... Last thing fitting Lorwyn, IMO, is Kamigawa-style Spirits...
At some point before you began arguing rules fundamentals with a Tour-standard judge, it would have benefited you to follow your own advice and read the Comprehensive Rules - particularly as they relate to Madness.
I would say that makes you a rather poor judge. Shuffling the facts/quotes to get whichever you like most for arguing is a bad habit. I didn't say "Madness is not a replacement effect". I said, "Madness is NOT a replacement effect. It is THREE DIFFERENT effects" (OK, have to admit I did mess up the number, for not checking it up -- it was changed from three to two along the way...) But it is still NOT A replacement effect.
It is not the case of GW card being green card. It's more like saying whether a street light is green because it has a green part.
502.24a Madness is a keyword that represents two abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with madness is in a player’s hand. The second is a triggered ability that functions when the first ability is applied. “Madness [cost]” means “If a player would discard this card, that player discards it, but may remove it from the game instead of putting it into his or her graveyard” and “When this card is removed from the game this way, its owner may play it by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If that player doesn’t, he or she puts this card into his or her graveyard.”
419.1a Effects that use the word “instead” are replacement effects.
So, show me where how it make “When this card is removed from the game this way, its owner may play it by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If that player doesn’t, he or she puts this card into his or her graveyard.” a replacement effect. Or both packed together "A replacement effect".
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I say fake, because I have more faith in wizards then to let something as horrible as Wild Quickening see print.
No reminder text has ever said an ability does something that it does not. Madness got redacted for reminder text because the full rules text wouldn't fit, but it functions exactly as the reminder text describes. Madness is a replacement effect (indicated by "instead"); it is triggered by discarding the card; the replacement effect allows you to play the card for its madness cost; the card goes to the graveyard if you do not. The only omission is that you can choose to use the replacement ability but then not play the card, which has no effect whatsoever on the resolution of the mechanic.
Kyword there, even emphasized, was "exactly". Now, Madness is *NOT* a replacement effect. It is *THREE* *DIFFERENT* effects. This alone makes all other points you make moot, but I also have to note the involvement of an RFG zone, as it was critical in some convoluted interactions of madness spells.
From Evoke's reminder text: it gives a creature an ACC; if played for that ACC, a CIP trigger is generated that sacrifices it (indicated by "when").
We don't know if it actually is a CIP trigger. It might be something akin to current wording of CIP-replacement stuff like Mox Diamond or the land bunch have -- if for no other reason than to prevent abuse via any of the blink effects or a particular notorious still Extended-legal white enchantment.
No matter what has been elided - and given that evoke is far less complex than madness, the safe money is that nothing has been elided - the mechanic functions thusly:
1) Play ~ for its evoke cost.
2) ~ comes into play.
3) Stack CIP triggers, including an additional "Sacrifice ~" because the evoke cost was paid.
... 4) Stack some ability messing up with Sacrifice...
Invigorating Earthkin - no way. Undercosted Beacon of Unrest or Zombify/Ashen Powder combo for just 3G? Or for 4GG with an additional 2/5 body? In wrong color? Ain't gonna to happen. Also, its name is stupid - it doesn't simply invigorates, it ressurrects! See invigorate/invigorating boon/invigorating falls - this word is used for pumping/healing in magic, not returning dead back to life. Not that much of an argument, but still.
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Fake as fake moustache.
"Fake as fake Merrow moustache" you meant? The catfish-like one looked more stylish, but I just can't hold giggles imagining some artist working up from art description asking for moustache ending up being that Chinese-looking merfolk
I can't judge card power, as I don't play much, only judge, and in this batch, they all appear to have OK complexity/flavor/color for whatever their rarity/effect is. But this one name, too, makes me o.O -- we already have two "families" of elementals in green, and Earth Elementals have been red so far. But with flavor move putting cold in red, I can easily accept earth moving out to (or sharing with) green.
I knew those words (waver and ford) as a non-native english speaker, so I'm rather surprised they don't seem as well-known as I'd have thought... I mean, the noun ford is the source of many place and city names.
QFT - they are a little too common in literature. Some folks need time off the 'Net to read some classics
Actually, we know exactly how evoke works because it's on the release card. Evoke lets you play a creature with a CIP effect at a reduced cost, in return for it gaining a second CIP effect sacrificing the creature. The creature enters play. Therefore, we have an ability targeting a card in a graveyard which has a disclaimer preventing it only from targeting a card in play.
There really is nothing more to say here. Lock the thread, and as the poster is a self-confessed sockpuppet, ban him.
If you're claiming you know exactly how Evoke works, maybe you'll bother to quote the relevant rules-text? So far, the only thing we have is (reminder text) that doesn't mean anything in regards to how some card/ability actually works. I'd suggest to go check the CR and specifically cards with madness on that matter. Also, he didn't claim wording to be exact, so it could easily be "card named ~".
If you're claiming he's a "self-confessed sockpuppet", maybe you'd go on and provide a quote confirming that? (Using a cover to protect himsel/someone else is a different thing -- and which user's alt he is was revealed briefly, too).
And since you're asking for him to be banned on the basis of two of your own falsehoods, maybe in fact it is you who should be banned for being a patent troll, despite your custom title and high post count?
If they can be targeted like a player, then they must have all aspects that a player has, otherwise you are left with too many unresolvable rules problems.
What about the CR416.3?
If an effect attempts to do something impossible, it does only as much as possible.
Example: If a player is holding only one card, an effect that reads "Discard two cards" causes him or her to discard only that card. If an effect moves cards out of the library (as opposed to drawing), it moves as many as possible.
There *are* things, like mentioned later FoF which do behave weirdly, but that could be resolved in the same easy way as a necessary for playing most spells rule that if Planeswalker has to choose anything (targets, modes, CIP choices, you name it), instead player controlling it does. Of course, assuming Planeswalkers are treated as players or just can play cards -- which so far looks more like a realm of possible than of probable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St.Petersburg
Except apparently Hermetic Study+Horseshoe Crab combo didn't annoy some people enough, and they decided to make a free version of that...
There was an image of the mentioned participation card attached:
It would make sense not in a cost, but in mana abilities. As for difference with "add mana of any color", it is subtle but noticeable when you have to float it. When you put then float 1 mana of "any color" in your pool and specify that it is red, it means you can play red, etc. If you float 1 "universal" mana, it is totally different.
Though I don't think it would make really much sense... A rather corner-case usage.
Exactly, ART including? Without FS card frame, it is just (3)...
Sounds awfully like "A: Because Oona is going to be a Morningtide's legend." to me. Not much of a rumor, but it is still a slow season anyway, so why not?
Dunno. The symobol on the cargs themselves seems to be a balance -- only not slated like Judgment, but level. If it really is, it is too lame... As if it wasn't enough for Visions vs VIth, and Betrayers vs Xth vs Time Spiral to look too similar...
Plains or Planes?
Hunter: what's wrong with ants being insects?
As I mentioned in the other thread, it positively looks like Kami... Weird half-object critter with their trademark smaller objects flying around... Not Kami of the Drums, though, but of the Jugs... I hope there's an explanation for these... Last thing fitting Lorwyn, IMO, is Kamigawa-style Spirits...
I would say that makes you a rather poor judge. Shuffling the facts/quotes to get whichever you like most for arguing is a bad habit. I didn't say "Madness is not a replacement effect". I said, "Madness is NOT a replacement effect. It is THREE DIFFERENT effects" (OK, have to admit I did mess up the number, for not checking it up -- it was changed from three to two along the way...) But it is still NOT A replacement effect.
It is not the case of GW card being green card. It's more like saying whether a street light is green because it has a green part.
So, show me where how it make “When this card is removed from the game this way, its owner may play it by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If that player doesn’t, he or she puts this card into his or her graveyard.” a replacement effect. Or both packed together "A replacement effect".
You mean something like One With Nothing?
Kyword there, even emphasized, was "exactly". Now, Madness is *NOT* a replacement effect. It is *THREE* *DIFFERENT* effects. This alone makes all other points you make moot, but I also have to note the involvement of an RFG zone, as it was critical in some convoluted interactions of madness spells.
We don't know if it actually is a CIP trigger. It might be something akin to current wording of CIP-replacement stuff like Mox Diamond or the land bunch have -- if for no other reason than to prevent abuse via any of the blink effects or a particular notorious still Extended-legal white enchantment.
... 4) Stack some ability messing up with Sacrifice...
"Fake as fake Merrow moustache" you meant?
I can't judge card power, as I don't play much, only judge, and in this batch, they all appear to have OK complexity/flavor/color for whatever their rarity/effect is. But this one name, too, makes me o.O -- we already have two "families" of elementals in green, and Earth Elementals have been red so far. But with flavor move putting cold in red, I can easily accept earth moving out to (or sharing with) green.
QFT - they are a little too common in literature. Some folks need time off the 'Net to read some classics
If you're claiming you know exactly how Evoke works, maybe you'll bother to quote the relevant rules-text? So far, the only thing we have is (reminder text) that doesn't mean anything in regards to how some card/ability actually works. I'd suggest to go check the CR and specifically cards with madness on that matter. Also, he didn't claim wording to be exact, so it could easily be "card named ~".
If you're claiming he's a "self-confessed sockpuppet", maybe you'd go on and provide a quote confirming that? (Using a cover to protect himsel/someone else is a different thing -- and which user's alt he is was revealed briefly, too).
And since you're asking for him to be banned on the basis of two of your own falsehoods, maybe in fact it is you who should be banned for being a patent troll, despite your custom title and high post count?
What about the CR416.3? There *are* things, like mentioned later FoF which do behave weirdly, but that could be resolved in the same easy way as a necessary for playing most spells rule that if Planeswalker has to choose anything (targets, modes, CIP choices, you name it), instead player controlling it does. Of course, assuming Planeswalkers are treated as players or just can play cards -- which so far looks more like a realm of possible than of probable