If you look at the last 2 weeks instead of the last 2 months the percentage on MTGTop8 drops to 3%. And the fact that we're on 6th position on MTGGoldfish at 3%! doesn't mean that we're all that well...
Anyway the metagame image you get from those sites means next to nothing. The fact is that War of the Spark brought little for us, instead it powered up UW which was a really bad matchup, powered up Tron which wasn't an amazing matchup to begin with, impacted very little Humans and Dredge which are two tough decks for us. Phoenix is about even and it's a deck that is here to stay.
You may call it an hyperbole all you want and I'll still play GDS because I like the deck, but we're on a tough spot and it will only get harder unless we get Force of Will or Daze. Deluge will help but I doubt it's enough.
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Mar 17, 20194
Renegade Rallier posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)Legend has it that gkourou will still tell you modern is the best it’s ever been.Posted in: Modern Archives -
Mar 7, 20194
k0no posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?Posted in: ModernQuote from cfusionpm »Quote from pinkmex »that's boring as ****; the game is rotative, just let it be, the seasons change and so do the decks.
Many people spent thousands of dollars to get into modern specifically to avoid rotation.
Yeah well those people are basing their entry into modern on a grave misunderstanding. I feel for them, but the disappointed whining that ensues when the format inevitably cycles through new and different popular strategies over weeks and months and their tuned deck from six months ago is no longer competitive, well that whining is just empty boring misdirected nonsense.
Oh and fwiw I voted that modern is currently the best it's ever been. Why? Because we've got more cards now than ever, more decks are viable now than ever, each standard set has brought more toys to the table and just as we're seeing now, modern isn't so degenerate that brand new decks can't have their day in the sun alongside old favourites. Phoenix decks doing well right now is a parallel circumstance to death's shadow having a similar boom over a year ago, and the fact that it can happen is the sign of a great format. In a couple of months it'll cycle out of popularity again and something else will fill the spot.
I guess we can sit and wait for all the phoenix players, new to modern who will say the sky is falling and preach the death of modern when those phoenix decks fall out of popularity and something else (that they inevitably dislike) takes its place. Oh and of course all the players seeing a deck gain some success and immediately saying BAN IT ARGHHG like there's a problem will just complain loudly about the next deck thst has a moment of popularity. C'est la vie
Beneath all this surface-level whining, modern is the same changeable beast that it's been since 2012. Nothing fundamental about the balance and structure of Modern has altered and that's why Modern now is the best it's ever been. It's broadly the same but it's bigger, with more options. It's still a roiling pot of endless ideas, with a handful floating to the top for a while, in a rotation of popularity and metagame viability that operates on a timescale loosely similar to the release of standard sets. (we see a shake up of the best decks in modern almost every standard set without fail, it's fun to track back and see how closely it correlates, another interesting tidbit for those people who incorrectly claim that newer sets don't affect modern!)
Sure, I can't take the same 75 card conoetitive modern deck I built a year ago and hope to do well at a competitive event now. My jund deck isn't what it used to be either. But that should be a given! That's a *good thing*. It's not a sign of things getting worse it's a sign of a healthy game where people are constantly striving to find the best way to tackle a metagame (thus, driving constant innovation and change). -
Mar 13, 20191
DeFish posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?The Shadow decks both reward and punish making a lot of correct micro-decisions that often revolve around managing your mana and life total. It's entirely possible to lose a game based entirely on having fetched the wrong land on turn 1/2, to say nothing of the balancing act that closing games out often ends up being. Because GDS plays so many cantrips, a lot of the time you have to make decisions about your mana and life total based on future possibilities and what you might draw, instead of working with all known information. Comparatively, and for BG specifically, you have far less micro-decisions to make, while still getting to enjoy some of the general gameplay of discard -> big idiot beater. This comes at the cost of the sheer aggression that Shadow can sometimes put out, and less cantrips means you're more dependent on the top of your deck and general deckbuilding to give you what you need.Posted in: Modern
As a long time Shadow player I have also occasionally switched to BG when I felt like I just needed a break from the micro-management. -
Mar 6, 20191
idSurge posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?Posted in: ModernQuote from pinkmex »Quote from idSurge »The last option.
EDIT: To be clear, and as a final word on it (from me until we get some new sets )unless someone wishes to debate it further.
The format would be improved if we did not have.
yadda yadda yaddaaaaa
that damn banhammer smashing all over the living room again
that's boring as ****; the game is rotative, just let it be, the seasons change and so do the decks.
the overall problem is one of general design, not of specific cards. it's not even power creep, just power segregation and power simplicity.
No, the 'game' is not rotational. The point of a format like Modern is that it simply doesnt rotate.
The format Standard, is rotational. Forced bans, are rotational, of a sort.
Jund is still here with us. When does it rotate out?
Otherwise, I'm not sure how a declaration of 'boring' can be made by removing those cards. It would actually elevate the 'diversity' of Modern to the top, by taking the clear, unquestionable, best decks of the format (the winners meta that are hiding in the so called diverse format) down a few notches.
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Mar 6, 20193
cfusionpm posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?Posted in: ModernQuote from FoodChainGoblins »I am going to just start jamming those decks like crazy. I'll get back to you whether THAT makes me start to enjoy it (if I can replicate the results I've had with Eye of Ugin Eldrazi, GGT Dredge, or Summer Bloom Titan). Yes, I can have fun just slaughtering people too, but it literally needs to be at the same level of those decks. My guess is that it is.
I can tell you that, for me personally, two big elements are keeping me from playing Phoenix myself. First is it's just not fun to play. It's extremely one-dimensional, and simply goes through the motions. Cantrip, flip, free birds, attack. It's repetitive and bland. But the second makes it more frustrating: our local meta still has tons of people still trying to force interactive BGx and Uxx decks, which is fine, if the other half of the store wasn't playing degenerate nonsense and wacky brews. My best and worst nights are often decided by the pairings board. At least GDS gives me a fighting chance against just about anything, and has dynamic and engaging games when I DO get paired with interactive decks. It was a fairly miserable experience most of the time.
Phoenix is great on MTGO and at the GP level because few who care about winning are playing BGx and Uxx, so it's a fantastic choice for the competitive scene. It's fast, efficient, and attacks on multiple angles while being strong against most removal. -
Mar 6, 20192
DarthDrac posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadPersonally I'm hoping for Foil and Dack Fayden, Foil is restrictive enough due to the need for an island and outside of Inquisition of Kozilek range and Dack is a slow Looting or Izzet Charm, all be it repeatable. I'd also love to see, though admittedly unlikely Sakashima's Student, Silent-Blade Oni and Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, since I want to play ninjas...Posted in: Modern -
Mar 6, 20191
tronix posted a message on MYTHIC CHAMPIONSHIP London new mulligan rule test in Modern & LimitedPosted in: Modern
live test run happens at the new rules namesake mythic championship/pro-tour (april 26). it wont be allowed in sanctioned tournaments until afterwards and wizards gives it the head nod.Quote from whocansay »So what's the latest on this? Is it being implemented? -
Mar 5, 20195
Earthbound21 posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)Meanwhile Burn, Affinity, Amulet, and flavors of Lantern are all on the rise. Do you ever not speak entirely in hyperbole?Posted in: Modern Archives -
Mar 1, 2019
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HeyitKc posted a message on Cards that should be reprinted to enter the Modern card poolI would Like to see some format defining cards such asPosted in: Modern
Blue
counter spell
true-name nemesis
force spike
misdirection
sea drake
Volrath's Shapeshift
standstill
propaganda
Green
gamekeeper
bind
food chain
wall of blossoms
elvish vanguard
wild growth
land grant
burgeoning
skyshroud war beast
White
containment priest
astril slide
eternal dragon
loyal retainer
Recruiter of the Guard
Red
Flametoungue kavu
goblin bombardment
goblin ringleader
goblin matron
dragon breath
imperial recuiter
Black
nether shadow
innocent blood
engineered plague
Diabolic Intent
Other
Mishra's factory
maze of ith
rishadan port
undiscovered paradise
urza's bauble
hibernation sliver
crystalline sliver
sterling grove
The set of 5 decrees
The set of 5 Words
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TBR makes you want to go fast. Ooze makes you go slow. Tarmogoyf wants to be big. Angler shrinks it. Angler wants to be in play as early as possible. No Scours or Baubles make this pretty hard to accomplish. Three maindeck Trophies means you'll be ramping your opponent quite a bit, which is the last thing an aggro deck wants to do.
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You're still giving your opponent options. Confidant is a must-kill, and with Push or Bolt or Terminate or Decay or Trophy you know 100% you will get rid of it. Now what if you're holding an edict effect and he also has a Goyf on the table, or a Treetop Village with two mana open? Now Bob sticks and you've basically lost the game on the spot.
Spot removal > edict effects in Modern. Nobody plays edict effects outside of LOTV for a reason, but we've addressed this already.
If you're still not convinced, playtest Triumph against BGx decks and see how you like it. When it hits the sweet spot of killing Kalitas and making your opponent discard a card and you take over the game from there, yeah it'll be pretty good. Whenever your opponent gets to choose though, I'm guessing not so much.
Also, again, what would you cut for it?
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What would a rule like that look like, in your opinion?
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Titan is a very tough matchup for the Rock, so that's simply not true.
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The Rock was the only undefeated deck going into the top 8, I believe, at SCG Philly a few days ago. It would have taken the whole event down if not for a misplay against Phoenix in the finals. Yes, it can beat all those decks in the hands of a skilled pilot as Orr clearly demonstrated (pretty sure he even beat Amulet 2-0), so saying it loses to 'the rest of Modern' is simply not true.
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It can be beaten, but just try beating it.