These cards are tournament legal they just aren't Block/Standard/Modern/Extended legal.
In Vintage and Legacy these cards can see play, most aren't good enough for those formats but I must correct a blatantly incorrect statement.
Thank you for the correction. What I should have said that reprints in the decks wouldn't necessarily impact Standard. That was a poorly worded statement on my part.
While I know the focus is the planes, but that doesn't mean the decks have to be bad. I suggest going through the thread to see some of the examples already cited.
I don't want 20 dollar cards, I want cards that feel constructed worthy. I thinkt he FNM decks for current standard are pretty cool. In the Jace v. Chandra deck I loved the idea of Daze. It is a good card, I could use it in other formats if I wanted to also. I don't necessarily want to rip a deck apart for the cards, the precons I do have, that I do like, are still put together and probably will not come apart.
My point is I know people will buy the product but that doesn't mean people need to love every part of it. A squeaky wheel gets the oil. We should always expect better from WOTC. Buy what you like, but also expect better and let it be known. Otherwise a companies quality can and will go down.
I don't understand why people are so disappointed compare this with planechase 1, sure the reprints may not be as top notch but this is counter balanced by by the fact that there is new cards in the planechase decks this time around. Some of those cards are excellent.
Personally I'm quite happy with the product, there are a few choices that make no sense to me, last stand for example. But overall for the price of the product I really didn't expect much more, most of the value in the new planes and cards, a few choice cards thrown in. (Rancor, Ink Eyes, Krosan Verge, Bloodbraid.)
Expecting high end modern reprints and new cards, its a bit rich.
When a product comes out, we as consumers, should expect it be something worth buying. These products are not.
The decks are poorly constructed. In addition, because these cards are not tournament legal WOTC has no ground as to why they couldn't have put some more decent cards spread across all four decks.
People should be mad, they shouldn't buy this product, and frankly we should expect and hold the company to a higher standard, especially if that company wants to maintain the business of its consumers.
These decks seem rushed and are marketed on a hope and a prayer that people just like the plane cards (imo).
I really like Magic the Gathering, and while I do agree with the conversation about the secondary market it was not the secondary market that made these decks nor, to my knowledge, does WOTC consider the secondary market when making a product. These barely playable decks (maybe going a little overboard here) are the product of WOTC.
I know people will buy them because they like the causal format, but these products do seem like a slap in the face. I want more products like the Jace v. Chandra deck. That was the right direction. I want to know why they haven't continued in that direction.
I was thinking about getting these precons, but I'm a little underwhelmed by the decks. The concept is cool, I just which WOTC had given the product some better cards to play with. Some of the cards put in the decks wouldn't even be played in limited let alone constructed. I know, I know, it is a casual set. Seriously though casual shouldn't mean lets force jank down people's throat. Maybe jank is too harsh, but the general idea is present. I'll just try to pick up the planes separately and save myself the trouble of having to store a bunch of cards that will never see the light of play.
Werewolf mechanic that I would love would be flip cards again. I liked those and they would show the transformation from non-werewolf to werewolf and possibly back.
Looking at futuresight cards I saw delve on Tombstalker if INN is graveyard based what do you think the chances are that we will see delve in one of the three sets?
Doesn't Glimpse of Nature do more for the deck and allow for a turn two win (conditionally)? You can go land, Mox Opal, Spring Leaf Drum, Glimpse of Nature, 0 cc creature, draw and repeat. With Spring Leaf Drum out you can drop a Tezz 2.0 and use his draw ability to play another creature and keep digging and then next turn go ultimate and win.
Also consider that a lot Magic players, myself included, are socially awkward meaning there's no GF to drain your wallet day in day out, so that saves you a lot.
I don't think this is true at all. There are they younger players with no GF and some money to burn on the obscene prices of individual cards and then there is the community that has kids, is married and played magic back in college or when they were younger and remember when the game was just a game with no pro scene or net-decking. A consensus needs to be built between these two communities beside "get with the times".
I agree playing for competitive is a waste of money there is very little pay-out. Plus making a competitive deck is way too expensive. Legacy is a great option if you have been playing for awhile otherwise it is just as bad or worse than standard. I get the whole playing with your friends, but shelling out money to play an event you know you'll just get spanked at is a waste. I prefer casual pick-up games or just going to someone's house and playing. Not to mention if you're deck does win, which can happen, you'll be ridiculed by some want-to-be pro because you don't run a $100 card and then have to listen to the wind bag talk about how some noob got lucky and how stupid he is for not running better cards. (Not a personal experience, but I have seen it happen).
If people want to shell out money I suggest drafting or sealed. The playing field is a little more even, some of the jerks that play constructed can't complain as badly (but let's face it there'll always be someone), and you get some cards to take home which even if you don't like some of them you can sell them on Ebay or someone may want to trade for them.
Quick sum up: pay-to-play constructed= no payout but a big pay-in, plus it has the "want-to-be" pros. Drafting or sealed= you get cards, can play with friends in a sanctioned tournament, "want-to-be pros still present but complain less. at least when a set is new, and you can maybe make a profit through Ebay.
*Edited previous statement as it didn't really fit with the discussion.
My thoughts Phyrexian wins and we see New Phyrexian. Venser evacuates the survivors with his transdiminisional ship, probably to Ravinica where they meet up with Gideon. We have the first set that deals with multiple planes the neo-walkers and different inhabitants battle against Bolas, Eldrazi scouts, and think of a way to contain Phyrexia. Eventually we go back to "Mirrodin" have two sets where the Phryexians are either killed off or pushed off Mirrodin- maybe to Zen (which could then make problems worse) and end with Mirrodin Pure, but the threat that worse things are to come soon.
Thank you for the correction. What I should have said that reprints in the decks wouldn't necessarily impact Standard. That was a poorly worded statement on my part.
While I know the focus is the planes, but that doesn't mean the decks have to be bad. I suggest going through the thread to see some of the examples already cited.
I don't want 20 dollar cards, I want cards that feel constructed worthy. I thinkt he FNM decks for current standard are pretty cool. In the Jace v. Chandra deck I loved the idea of Daze. It is a good card, I could use it in other formats if I wanted to also. I don't necessarily want to rip a deck apart for the cards, the precons I do have, that I do like, are still put together and probably will not come apart.
My point is I know people will buy the product but that doesn't mean people need to love every part of it. A squeaky wheel gets the oil. We should always expect better from WOTC. Buy what you like, but also expect better and let it be known. Otherwise a companies quality can and will go down.
When a product comes out, we as consumers, should expect it be something worth buying. These products are not.
The decks are poorly constructed. In addition, because these cards are not tournament legal WOTC has no ground as to why they couldn't have put some more decent cards spread across all four decks.
People should be mad, they shouldn't buy this product, and frankly we should expect and hold the company to a higher standard, especially if that company wants to maintain the business of its consumers.
These decks seem rushed and are marketed on a hope and a prayer that people just like the plane cards (imo).
I really like Magic the Gathering, and while I do agree with the conversation about the secondary market it was not the secondary market that made these decks nor, to my knowledge, does WOTC consider the secondary market when making a product. These barely playable decks (maybe going a little overboard here) are the product of WOTC.
I know people will buy them because they like the causal format, but these products do seem like a slap in the face. I want more products like the Jace v. Chandra deck. That was the right direction. I want to know why they haven't continued in that direction.
Great finds! Thanks for sharing.
LOL, Karn is also on Ebay already. $34.99 a piece.
Doesn't Glimpse of Nature do more for the deck and allow for a turn two win (conditionally)? You can go land, Mox Opal, Spring Leaf Drum, Glimpse of Nature, 0 cc creature, draw and repeat. With Spring Leaf Drum out you can drop a Tezz 2.0 and use his draw ability to play another creature and keep digging and then next turn go ultimate and win.
Anyway, looking forward to the DD.
I don't think this is true at all. There are they younger players with no GF and some money to burn on the obscene prices of individual cards and then there is the community that has kids, is married and played magic back in college or when they were younger and remember when the game was just a game with no pro scene or net-decking. A consensus needs to be built between these two communities beside "get with the times".
If people want to shell out money I suggest drafting or sealed. The playing field is a little more even, some of the jerks that play constructed can't complain as badly (but let's face it there'll always be someone), and you get some cards to take home which even if you don't like some of them you can sell them on Ebay or someone may want to trade for them.
Quick sum up: pay-to-play constructed= no payout but a big pay-in, plus it has the "want-to-be" pros. Drafting or sealed= you get cards, can play with friends in a sanctioned tournament, "want-to-be pros still present but complain less. at least when a set is new, and you can maybe make a profit through Ebay.
*Edited previous statement as it didn't really fit with the discussion.
Dragons could be mono R.
Why couldn't both have a splash of black though?