Agreed. I've been running two Mights and two Giant Growth.
2 might
2 growth work in the mono-green poor people version of this deck?
also mono-green dudes, blight mamba seems slow, and like a dead draw. I have 4 of them and I always hate to see them top decked, or even in the opening hand, and it's regen ability is largely useless.
as the only threats?
or should the 2 necropedes be dumped back in? feel plague has a little more utility, being able to be a last resort mana producer for apostles, dismember or to not burn a much needed forest to kick in the inkmoth
This seems like a very metagamed version of the deck, I can definitely see it if you believe you will face a ton of affinity, and its also solid vs pod. What I like about the deck is the fact it exists, and is well known because of Tom Ross. This is important, because it will make pod players less likely to jam turn 2 pod if they see turn 1 noble hierarch, out of fear of a turn 2 corruptor blowout. It also has dryad arbor, which means, if you play U/G infect, you have a much better shot at bluffing those dark confidants into not attacking, even if you are playing the arbor. Finally, it has pact of negation, which is a card thats pretty hard to play around, but if its on peoples radar they may take slightly worse lines to try and play around it.
how are you bluffing a dark confidant not into attacking? by running a dryad arbor? let alone why are you opening up your mana base to more gain for something like electrolyze? let alone bolt. dryad arbor isn't making sense to me.
are there and proven mono black lists or "established" lists out there?
my meta has a lot of pod, and blue white red control/ twin, which have hard match ups against discard decks.
i'm tempted to try to hybridize green and mono black. sacrificing the pump spells for discard spells. replacing pump with equipment
EDIT: Typo in my previous post, I meant to type 'aren't playing arbor'. It wasnt advocating playing dryad arbor at all. It was noting that the fact that other people play dryad arbor is good for the people that dont. Imagine you are playing against infect in a tournament as jund. You have a dark confidant you really need to live, and dont have an immediate answer to dryad arbor, do you attack into an uncracked fetch? You wont have your opponents decklist, are you willing the take the risk, knowing that the most popular Ug infect list runs dryad arbor? If I was playing in a large tournament, I might have tom ross poison counters or make some reference to him at the beginning of my match, and I would guess a reasonable percentage of my opponents would have some knowledge of some of his card choices. The fact you might not even have those cards doesnt matter if your opponent do
Even if you do 'hit' with needle, they can simply decay if they want to unlock lili, and you are using an artifact to pump their goyfs.
That abrupt decay is better used on a needle than a blighted agent or a Glistener swinging for lethal.
Baiting them to waste their answers on crap like dryad arbor , pithing needle or swinging into a fetched blocker isn't all that reliable as most people won't fall for it.
But if you swing with a dryad after they were playimg greedy ( bolt them selves with shocks and fetches over and over to kill off your infect creatures) they might forget you have a hand full of pump spells you are itching to get rid of and maybe that dyad can swing for lethal. It's a long shot and I think the price and drawbacks like having a much needed land for a quick kill bolted away will suck. You can tap it in response but still a land behind
I don't think they fear playing me or my deck, i think its more of a..i am sucking the fun out of their casual night with a not fun deck? I understand where they are coming from though. Im not a good magic player, my only experience with the game before this is playing as a kid during odyssey and not even by the proper rules with my friends. (dark ritual and fetch 3 swamps etc).
but anyways sorry for the tangent there.
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Liliana of the veil is starting to get annoying.
I have recently begun swapping 2 gitaxian probe for 2 pithing needle to stop that discard effect.
99% of the time she gets a decent pump. and she's quick too 1BB, what do you guys do to shut liliana down?
Also U/G guys, breeding pool is an auto include, but what about Gemstone mine over hiterland harbor? I found 2 copies in my binder from last year, Most games we play with these decks don't need to tap a single mana more than 3 times anyways right?
I got stupid lucky tonight, first round bye, went 2-1 then 2-0. Last round my opponent didn't want to play so he asked for an intentional draw. Which I agreed to, it gave him first and put me in second. No biggie. Was nice to get some credit last week I went 2-2 in modern and 0-4 in standard.
I'm starting to get harassed for running this deck at my store. (Insults, or calling me names behind my back or under their breath).
I'm generally a quiet dude, I only regularly talk to maybe 2 or 3 faces and spend most of my time being quiet in the store as my personality is reclusive.
I think I'm going to lay low and quit magic for a few weeks/ months as I felt pretty threatened ( these dudes were pretty big and young). So if anyone reads this, I just want to warn you about potential issues. You won't make friends in your meta with this deck.
Idk man Pro tour quals are pretty expensive to even just play in, that and if you win there is a lot of money to be spending on hotel accommodations, cuisine, and just general travel expenses since all wizards does is get you a one way coach ticket on American Airlines or something. I don't even think they give you the $25 for the bag check fee.
I think the iq's and smaller gp trials are where infect shines, smaller event, $25 to play in the super iq's and like $15-20 to play in the smaller ones, only 3-4 rounds and regional scene. But it's up to you really. I personally only play my deck in 3-4 round 16 mans with the same faces every week. Only a few of which can afford to spend the money to change up their deck every week or have more than 1 modern deck.
What else do you have aval to borrow? Do you have any tier 1 decks that maybe your friends have built and doing nothing over the weekend? I borrow scapeshift a lot from a local for "serious" events. Just because I can't afford anything more than my budget mono g infect deck, not that it's bad it's just not spectacular.
Tom ross wrote an scg article on that, he mb'd the corrupt ers becuase he kept having to kill his ichorclaws in his last deck. He main boarded the phytoburst becuase he couldn't find a copy of might of old krosa before the invitational qualifier event.
Once he qualified ( modern was the qualifier) he went on to take first in Columbus with a legacy deck that looks more like ours but of course legacy has the better dual lands, the berserk and the invigorate. Scg invitational events are standard and legacy with varying qualifier formats.
I play standard casually as well, I want to copy his red deck wins setup. Ultra_magnus, you're the only statistic for mtg goldfish. You know that? According to meta analysis mono green infect is so rare you're to only one brazen enough to play it in a daily. Looks like you went 2-4 in the one recorded event though, not bad for a budget deck. Congrats!
Meecht, you're taking ug infect to a PTQ?! Aren't they like $40 to enter? Can you borrow affinity for it or are you SOL? I belive that is the deck the pros use for quals. There are videos of melissa de tora taking first and the invite with affinity going as far back as 2012. Jon finkel also uses affinity when he borrows decks
Some people main board simic charm here locally. But most people had told me they like pumps in its place.
"Dear Wizards, despite paying the requisite mana cost and the spell resolving uncountered, Victim of the Night did not destroy my ex wife. It seems this so-called "Magic" is completely ineffective..."
Dear Nakhla,
Our records indicate that your ex-wife was a zombie in bed. The cards explicitly state in the terms and conditions that the particular spell you aimed to cast did not affect creatures with the zombie super type. In bed or otherwise.
I opened a pack with 11 or 12 cards in it. It had a bulk rare but was missing the land, ad card and some commons 1 or 2 uncommons. Emailed wizards customer support and they wanted me to mail back a receipt, the pack some form or whatever. I just decided to "eat" the loss and figure meh. It was m14 so it was probably just jank anyways. And the $1 I spent sending the pack back would be better spent getting a play set of something usable.
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I can build green right and have most of the cards for it however it has the higher number of cards that are rotating.
I will attend magic celebration 2015, so I have to pick a color out of these packs to add to the deck. Assume the only changes to the above lists will be stuff that is rotating out for what is in these lists and 2 packs Of m15.
I'm up for suggestions on what to do NOW if you have any that will improve the deck in the future.
I assume giant growth will be reprinted, and I'm expecting a new budget world of gaining titanic growth. For green.
sample packs are not starter decks. sample packs are distributed free of charge(usually) and are given to players along with a pack of the core set for a sealed deck tournament marketed in order to attract new players.
Hi someone told me that I could actually sign up for magic online for free but I won't get the cards, tix and points that the $9.99 "premium" account gets.
I have no problem with that. How do I go about doing this?
I don't remove a land for it, just 2 gitaxian probe for 2 ghost quarter (in my mind it's a removal spell that costs (1) that hits inkmoth, blinkmoth and even an annoying valakut.
mono-U tron is starting to kill me here, and my efforts of removing their win conditions are met with remands, or spell snares etc.
im thinking about removing the viridian corrupter and placing 2 krosan grip in place same CMC, it's not a creature but viridian isn't in there because he is a creature and it won't back hand me when my opponent has no artifacts (yet) and all I have is an ichorclaw on the field.
also, storm can't respond to it with the flurry of instants they throw before removing an active ascension.
also apperantly tomaharo saito ran infect during pro-tour born of the gods?
can someone find the decklist for that?
I play infect because im flat out poor thanks to student loans, but i'd still like to have A hobby kind of?
it's interesting to see players who make a living playing what is largely considered as a non-optimal coin flip of a budget deck.
it's like seeing terry Richardson shoot for vogue with a point and shoot then developing photos at Walmart rather than some sort of DSLR and off camera flash unit he probably has.
EDIT: I tried to play 2 events this week but they failed to fire.
Thursday night it was only me.
today was a Grand Prix Trial that as well only had me show up. It feels like modern is starting to die out in my particular area.
I've been finding that I seem to side in Sylvan Scrying for many match-ups, so I followed Drinkard's suggestion and replaced Necropede with 4 Sylvan Scrying. It was excellent, mainly I searched for Inkmoth Nexus, but in a couple of games I grabbed Pendelhaven instead. I even had a really strange win against Melira Pod, where I won the game without casting a pump spell or creature, just Sylvan Scrying and land. The only match that I missed Necropede was against a burn deck that was running Grim Lavamancer.
I have been bringing in Nature's Claim against this guy, since it is an enchantment creature.
Moving Sylvan Scrying to the main deck cleared up some sideboard space, so I added Back to Nature, which is for Bogle Auras, White Enchantment Control and the version of Blue Moon that runs both Blood Moon and Spreading Seas.
So I got second place on week, made a bunch of changes and then placed first last night.
Luck had mostly to do with it as my deck building skills are pathetic
I'm on mobile right now. So it won't be clean but:
2 cathedral of war
3 ink moth nexus
2 ghost quarter
13 forest
4 Glistener elf
4 blight mamba
4 ichorclaw myr
4 groundswell
4 might of old krosa
4 mutagenic growth
4 apostles blessing
4 vines of vastwood
4 rancor
4 gitxian probe
4-0'first place infect tonight, mono green.
Second place was u/g infect who was a better player than me but aided me in furthering my deck with advice. He went 3-1 his only loss being against me because I got 2 god hands in a row,
12 man tourney, a lot of skill at that tournament. I personally faced, Boris burn, g/r tron ( 2 very very skilled players) and one amazing infect player.
Among other types were full powered storm and full powered American control and robots
2 might
2 growth work in the mono-green poor people version of this deck?
also mono-green dudes, blight mamba seems slow, and like a dead draw. I have 4 of them and I always hate to see them top decked, or even in the opening hand, and it's regen ability is largely useless.
plague myr in it's place? and cut the necropede?
4 glistener elf
4 ichorclaw
2 plague myr
4 inkmoth
as the only threats?
or should the 2 necropedes be dumped back in? feel plague has a little more utility, being able to be a last resort mana producer for apostles, dismember or to not burn a much needed forest to kick in the inkmoth
Sided in 2 gut shot and I put the pendelhavens back in, both of them.
That abrupt decay is better used on a needle than a blighted agent or a Glistener swinging for lethal.
Baiting them to waste their answers on crap like dryad arbor , pithing needle or swinging into a fetched blocker isn't all that reliable as most people won't fall for it.
But if you swing with a dryad after they were playimg greedy ( bolt them selves with shocks and fetches over and over to kill off your infect creatures) they might forget you have a hand full of pump spells you are itching to get rid of and maybe that dyad can swing for lethal. It's a long shot and I think the price and drawbacks like having a much needed land for a quick kill bolted away will suck. You can tap it in response but still a land behind
but anyways sorry for the tangent there.
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Liliana of the veil is starting to get annoying.
I have recently begun swapping 2 gitaxian probe for 2 pithing needle to stop that discard effect.
99% of the time she gets a decent pump. and she's quick too 1BB, what do you guys do to shut liliana down?
Also U/G guys, breeding pool is an auto include, but what about Gemstone mine over hiterland harbor? I found 2 copies in my binder from last year, Most games we play with these decks don't need to tap a single mana more than 3 times anyways right?
I'm starting to get harassed for running this deck at my store. (Insults, or calling me names behind my back or under their breath).
I'm generally a quiet dude, I only regularly talk to maybe 2 or 3 faces and spend most of my time being quiet in the store as my personality is reclusive.
I think I'm going to lay low and quit magic for a few weeks/ months as I felt pretty threatened ( these dudes were pretty big and young). So if anyone reads this, I just want to warn you about potential issues. You won't make friends in your meta with this deck.
I think the iq's and smaller gp trials are where infect shines, smaller event, $25 to play in the super iq's and like $15-20 to play in the smaller ones, only 3-4 rounds and regional scene. But it's up to you really. I personally only play my deck in 3-4 round 16 mans with the same faces every week. Only a few of which can afford to spend the money to change up their deck every week or have more than 1 modern deck.
What else do you have aval to borrow? Do you have any tier 1 decks that maybe your friends have built and doing nothing over the weekend? I borrow scapeshift a lot from a local for "serious" events. Just because I can't afford anything more than my budget mono g infect deck, not that it's bad it's just not spectacular.
Once he qualified ( modern was the qualifier) he went on to take first in Columbus with a legacy deck that looks more like ours but of course legacy has the better dual lands, the berserk and the invigorate. Scg invitational events are standard and legacy with varying qualifier formats.
I play standard casually as well, I want to copy his red deck wins setup. Ultra_magnus, you're the only statistic for mtg goldfish. You know that? According to meta analysis mono green infect is so rare you're to only one brazen enough to play it in a daily. Looks like you went 2-4 in the one recorded event though, not bad for a budget deck. Congrats!
Meecht, you're taking ug infect to a PTQ?! Aren't they like $40 to enter? Can you borrow affinity for it or are you SOL? I belive that is the deck the pros use for quals. There are videos of melissa de tora taking first and the invite with affinity going as far back as 2012. Jon finkel also uses affinity when he borrows decks
Some people main board simic charm here locally. But most people had told me they like pumps in its place.
Dear Nakhla,
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Tom ross piloted this mono-red budget deck to good results at scg invitational, scg open also had a similar deck but with a bigger budget.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=68882
And here is a deck piloted by mason Lange, mono green aggro.
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_monogreen_aggro_with.html
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I can build green right and have most of the cards for it however it has the higher number of cards that are rotating.
I will attend magic celebration 2015, so I have to pick a color out of these packs to add to the deck. Assume the only changes to the above lists will be stuff that is rotating out for what is in these lists and 2 packs Of m15.
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1515
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I'm up for suggestions on what to do NOW if you have any that will improve the deck in the future.
I assume giant growth will be reprinted, and I'm expecting a new budget world of gaining titanic growth. For green.
Red seems powerful as theros block.
here is a decklist of last years:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1246
I have no problem with that. How do I go about doing this?
I don't remove a land for it, just 2 gitaxian probe for 2 ghost quarter (in my mind it's a removal spell that costs (1) that hits inkmoth, blinkmoth and even an annoying valakut.
mono-U tron is starting to kill me here, and my efforts of removing their win conditions are met with remands, or spell snares etc.
im thinking about removing the viridian corrupter and placing 2 krosan grip in place same CMC, it's not a creature but viridian isn't in there because he is a creature and it won't back hand me when my opponent has no artifacts (yet) and all I have is an ichorclaw on the field.
also, storm can't respond to it with the flurry of instants they throw before removing an active ascension.
also apperantly tomaharo saito ran infect during pro-tour born of the gods?
can someone find the decklist for that?
I play infect because im flat out poor thanks to student loans, but i'd still like to have A hobby kind of?
it's interesting to see players who make a living playing what is largely considered as a non-optimal coin flip of a budget deck.
it's like seeing terry Richardson shoot for vogue with a point and shoot then developing photos at Walmart rather than some sort of DSLR and off camera flash unit he probably has.
EDIT: I tried to play 2 events this week but they failed to fire.
Thursday night it was only me.
today was a Grand Prix Trial that as well only had me show up. It feels like modern is starting to die out in my particular area.
So I got second place on week, made a bunch of changes and then placed first last night.
Luck had mostly to do with it as my deck building skills are pathetic
I'm on mobile right now. So it won't be clean but:
2 cathedral of war
3 ink moth nexus
2 ghost quarter
13 forest
4 Glistener elf
4 blight mamba
4 ichorclaw myr
4 groundswell
4 might of old krosa
4 mutagenic growth
4 apostles blessing
4 vines of vastwood
4 rancor
4 gitxian probe
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2 ghost quarter
1 pithing needle
2 dismember
1 relic of prognitus
2 dryad millitant
2 ranger's guile
2 natures claim
2 viridian corrupter
1 necropede
The sb looks weird becuase my meta is all over the place, don't copy my sb. Tailor one to suit your needs.
Second place was u/g infect who was a better player than me but aided me in furthering my deck with advice. He went 3-1 his only loss being against me because I got 2 god hands in a row,
12 man tourney, a lot of skill at that tournament. I personally faced, Boris burn, g/r tron ( 2 very very skilled players) and one amazing infect player.
Among other types were full powered storm and full powered American control and robots