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Jul 12, 2019I disagree.Posted in: Modern
Hogaak often won without the mill plan, so the deck is still powerful. The non-mill good draws are based off filling the graveyard while having two bodies in play. As such carrion feeder is still a key card: it's a one-drop that can sacrifice a stitcher's supplier to fill the graveyard. Stitcher, carrion feeder and any other one-drop allows playing hogaak on turn 2. Carrion feeder is also protection against path to exile, which is the main answer to a turn-two hogaak. One way Hogaak is resilient is to sac hogaak in response to removal and replay it off having multiple 1-drops and way to fill the GY.
I'm not saying there won't be a better build. The mill plan is still there to fill the GY for the delve requirements of hogaak and to get vengevines.
Jul 8, 2019Well, that turns off the altar angle. Not entirely, they can still recur gravecrawler a few times per turn, but no more full mill once they hit to bridges.Posted in: Modern
This leaves the deck powerful, but eliminates the turn 2 / 3 kill. They can still have a turn 3 virtual kill if you can't manage a Hogaak with a few friends.
Jul 4, 2019IMO, the only reasons why phoenix is so popular are:Posted in: Modern Archives
- The deck is the cheapest tier-1 deck, as long as you forego buying scalding tarns. (Only burn is cheaper, I believe, and not everyone considers burn tier-1.)
- The deck is very consistent, thanks to all the cantrips.
- The deck doesn't entirely crumble with GY hate, so it is viable in the meta. TiTi is still a big threat.
IOW, I don't consider phoenix to be oppressive.
Jun 30, 2019Yep, I think I saw hogaak loses to UW control off of monastery mentor twice toward then end. One before top 8, one in the final. That card was just waiting in the wings. UW control is all non-creature-based, so mentor just is great tech.Posted in: Modern Archives
That being said, I didn't undersatand why the hogaak player in the final game didn't play his wispmare the turn before. That would have been one damage less that turn and another chump the next. Not that it did matter in the end since the UW player had celestial purge. It seems that final was won off that one card (purge).
PS: let's not forget timely reinforcements. That card is key in UW SB.
Jun 30, 2019Well, outside of posturing like a cwazy wabbit, the real actual numbers are still valid:Posted in: Modern Archives
- 18.6% day 2 metagame
- 33% conversion rate
- 2 top 8 placements
WHat's more, for those who actually watched the matches, hogaak was often piloted by non-pro players making mistakes. I also saw two bad beat. One was a hogaak player on two lands, both got spreading sea'ed on turn 2 and 3 and he didn't draw a single other land for teh rest of the game. In anoher case, a hogaak player self-milled 75% of his deck without milling a single copy of bridge from below.
I the deck ban worthy? The numbers are not quite there from this GP. I think it won't get anything banned but will put on a watch list.
Jun 30, 2019They just revealed some day 2 metagame percentage and conversion rates for DFW:Posted in: Modern Archives
day 1 % -> 2 % (conversion rates)
Hogaak 11% -> 18.6% (33% conversion)
human ?% -> 7.3
phoenix ?% -> 7.3
company ?% -> 4.4 (25% conversion)
They gave historical cases:
Eldrazi conversion rate: 90% - 100%
Caw blade conversion rate: 90%
Jun 30, 2019JUst to illustrate why GY hate against hogaak is not the simple answer some may think, here is what happened in a UW control vs Hoogak yesterday in Dallas. UW player sided in multiple RiP. What happened is that the hogaak deck simply hardcasted two vengevines, one on turn 4 and turn 5 and rode them to victory. 4 power with haste for 4 is a fine rate. A UW deck can only hold so many answers: the RiP were taking place in hand instead of removal and hogaak can pivot into being a mid-range deck when its graveyard is gone. It's nicely resilient. (TBH, the UW player made a mistake in not blowing up the 2nd green source right away with its field of ruins which let the hogaak player play the 2nd vengevine. He should have known there were no forest in the deck because in a previous game the hogaak player did not search for no basic when a land was blown up with e fidled of ruins.)Posted in: Modern Archives
So, just filling up with GY hate is a first step, but you still need to hold off the mid-range component.
Jun 29, 2019Bridge in GY off neonate self-sac, getting a 2/2, 2nd neonate on turn ditching vengevine, getting another 2/2, then a stitcher (IIRC), bring back vengevine, then play hogaak.Posted in: Modern Archives
Something like that.
IN 2nd round, hogaak vs UW control. Hoggak 1st turn bridge in GY, UW immediately surgical extration (1st game, extraction in MD). Few turns later UW wipe 4 or 5 creatures on turn 4 with supreme verdict. Hoogak untaps and put 17 power on the board off 1 mana. (involving a gravecrawler, the black vampire that comes back from GY on land drop, double vengevines jumping back then hoogak.)
Jun 28, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from Godrik1374 »On SCG versus,
They tested bridgevine against banned deck.
TBH, they didn't update the banned decks. Their stoneblane list plays jeskai color but red is only for 4 bolts (and some non essential SB cards.) It plays zero GY hate in main, 2 trap + 4 surgical in SB. It hopes to survive the early turns with permission spells. I doubt a stoneforge deck would look like this.
(Now, I suppose it would still lose to hogaak.)
Twin has even less GY hate.
Jun 27, 2019That's because the most vocal and bitter posters tend to fill the thread?Posted in: Modern Archives
I personally don't mind GY hate in the main.
My only concern is that hogaak seems to do fine even with such hate. I really do hope Wizards does nothing on the 8th so that we can see and appreciate what happens when hogaak flexes its muscle on a bigger stage. I don't want a new breed to spring up and keep repeating themselves for three years because they nerf'ed hogaak rapidly.
Jun 27, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from FoodChainGoblins »It had 189 players. (Living in California, I was unable to go.) Jody Keith and Aaron Barich (of SCG Open fame) were in the top 8 and the top 16 from what I heard.
I cannot understand the maths behind a 189 players tournament with a 1st prize being a mustang.
That top 8 looks... well it sure doesn't look like a a highly competitive tournament. (I mean, I can understand one, maybe two lower tier decks making a top 8, but sword, burn, infect and rock?)
Jun 26, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from Mtgthewary »I hope hoogak is the target. Don't need to see it in dredge after we ban bridge
IDK. Bridge from Below is obviously both the most efficient engine for the deck and happily jumps in to the GY from self mill. It costs no mana and super-synergize with hogaak + altar.
Are there other builds that can achieve this without BfB?
The deck still works as long as you can recur 2 creatures from the GY and use them to play hogaak and/or mill with altar to recur them again. Dredge and various zombies can be brought back from the GY but not for free and not at instant speed. You can play gravecrawler from the graveyard but it needs both another zombie in play and mana. Others tend to only come back only and only at EOT. From this perspective, I don't think hogaak would be abusive without BfB. I don't think it would improve Dredge all that much. (Obviously, it fill their GY, but dredging already does it efficiently.)
Jun 25, 2019F2F Hamilton modern open was won by Hogaak, with two copies of the deck placing in the top 8.Posted in: Modern Archives
Rhe report says they were surprised it was not played more, being so dominant: "We had two copies of the deck in our Hamilton Top 8, and from where I’m sitting, that number is actually pretty low for how good this deck is compared to the rest of the format."
Either buy it now or sell it now, I'd say.
PS: many decks in the top had GY hate in the main, plus extra in SB. Examples: both phoenix 3x surgical main, 3x trap in SB. 2nd place Jund had 2x ooze main, 4x leyline, 1x nihil, SB.
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Dec 19, 2017I looked at this deck: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/decks/151-bant-eldraziPosted in: Articles
For some reason, in the card mana pie chart, the outer ring mana color claims are inaccurate. (It's also unclear if it represent the land base or the mana cost of the cards. It looks like it''s meant to reflect the mana base, yet it claims the deck has no blue lands...)
PS: also, it claims the deck is worth 300$ when 4-of hierarch and 4-of cavern of souls already bust that price by a wide margin...
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