Quote from fyawm »I'm pretty sure SSS has worse match up against UWR than Pyro, it's close to unwinnable because UWR plays a better instant speed game. At least with Pyro sometimes you can ride 1 Pyro to victory... can't do that with Sprites. SSS also lacks the Serum Visions for digging sideboard cards and the Gitaxian Probes to formulate a game plan against UWR, which is loses to late game since it doesn't run any specific sideboard hate.
Quote from krimsonviper »Are we allowed to speak about a more burn oriented version of this deck, or is it strictly UR Pyro? I feel like that UR Pyro is the only deck that's to be talked about in this UR Delver primer.
Quote from fyawm »Quote from myo »I've considered this, and what I've found is that it will not make an impact often enough to warrant a slot. If we were playing a grixis deck with discard, it might make sense. However, ensuring you don't see a 2nd of something isn't always the best gameplan as they might not ever get to the 2nd one and you've spent a card/mana/life getting rid of it.
Basically this. If you're spending 2 life and a card to do something that doesn't affect the board, it'd better be worth it.
I'd be hard pressed to find a match up where I want to bring it in.
Quote from myo »I've considered this, and what I've found is that it will not make an impact often enough to warrant a slot. If we were playing a grixis deck with discard, it might make sense. However, ensuring you don't see a 2nd of something isn't always the best gameplan as they might not ever get to the 2nd one and you've spent a card/mana/life getting rid of it.
Quote from SquadronHawk »I tried one of Jeff Hooglands lists in a local tournament and had some success. (3-1 got me to top 4, and then lost in the finals) The deck was a lot of fun to play and I think I'll be running it again later.
The deck seemed quite weak to a resolved Vedalken Shackles however. This is a card that can pretty effectively hate us out, since it makes it almost impossible to keep a threat on the table without trading a lot of resources for it. So my question to you more experienced pilots is this: why is there so little artifact hate in the sideboard? I'd imagine Ensnaring Bridge, Defense Grid, Batterskull and to some degree Torpor Orb and Sword of Fire and Ice are also pretty bad if they resolve.
UR Twin decks sometimes mainboard a single Stomping Ground or Breeding Pool and play some number of Ancient Grudge in the sideboard, could this work here as well?
Quote from TheWerb »One of the best parts of the old primer was the sideboarding advice. I have not played this deck enough to really contribute to this -- I just switched over from the Fae version, which I knew really well, but this deck seems to perform better so I wanted to try. I also am not sure when to be aggressive or when to hold back. Do I pretty much need YP or Delver in an opener to keep?
What I've noticed is it looks like this deck has a worse matchup with almost everything than Fae. Pod was a really good matchup for Fae, and does not look so with this. What are you sideboarding in? I rarely see magma spray in sideboards, and it's an all star against pod, hatebears, merfolk, and affinity, all decks that I want to side in more removal for countermagic. Is combust for UWX, mainly for manlands and resto? What do you do against goyf? Would love to see more info. This also seems worse against jund/rock post board. Also with less countermagic, seems worse against storm.
Keep in mind I'm skewed towards Fae. I know Fae and Pyrodelver are two completely different decks, but I need to know how to change my mindset playing them.
Quote from Trench82 »@Normalsaline154: Many many thanks for starting this thread since we can finally start to focus on the SSS version. Nice to see it all gathered here.
I must admit I'm one of the guys that is lost to the dark side. I always love to play Serum Visions to flip me some delvers or to find;not find mana sources. In many occasions I'm glad with the results it gives me.
I find it really good when I start on turn 3 (with 3 land) so I can spend one mana on Serum Visions and keep 2 open for e.g. remand or mana leak.
Also, with spell pierce and spell snare it is ok to use at turn 2.
At the moment I'm also interested in Magma Jet though I do not want to cut my Serum Visions for it (yet).
Quote from fyawm »Thoughts on having one Primer for the UR Delver decks or two?
UR Pyro would be under Established (Modern), UR Fae would under Modern Deck Creation because it has posted 0 results in the past 6 months, online or in real life.
Quote from TheCommunistManatee »So a couple of questions:
1) Why not just play the established deck? (It's here!)
2) Young Pyromancer seems like a pretty good auto-include, any reason he was left out?
3) Without Serum Visions are you getting reliable Delver flips? I've never been a fan of Delver without some set up and I'm curious as to whether it's working here
Quote from Iamtidal »This might be useful!