Quote from BadMcFadden »I played the UB liliana version for a long time before moving on to the turbo version. Although I did 3 tez 3 lili most of the time. I really liked that liliana was an answer to problem permanents as well as a cute combo with echoing truth to quickly dispose of things like stony silence. I usually played 2-3 whirs and the manabase got progressively more awkward with the darksteel citadels and trying to cast lili+whir on time. But all in all it was a solid deck.
That being said the turbo version feels way smoother with 4 serum 4 whir. You get some free wins off of whirring for maindeck cage/needle and better access to the combo and time sieve. The only time I really miss liliana is the times I could stick her versus a control deck and shred their hand, sometimes fighing through logic knots negates and snapcasters is just downright impossible with the turbo version as if you can't stick a foundry/tez you pretty much can't actually win the game. Academy ruins helps but is still pretty slow.
Quote from Dice_Bag »For a sweeper, I would rather play with Terminus and Noxious.
Quote from Corroto »Ok. So I will probably get crucified for this but.... I think Serum Visions is bad in turns. Or at least my version of turns. So many times when testing I've cast Serum Visions only to draw a Temporal Mastery or something I didn't want, that I wish I could have just tossed with scry. I will be testing Mystic Speculation over the next couple weeks and let you all know how it goes. I believe being able to bottom 3 cards and then draw multiple cards off of mine the next turn is a lot more valuable thank the 1 extra card you get to draw early game. All alongside being able to filter out non turn cards late game while comboing is very strong in my build that only runs 8 warps.
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Please let me know your thoughts and opinions on not only this card in turns all together, but also in my build specifically.
Quote from guntius »I think he made a smart move by using non-artifact cards, the hate out there is really bad and having some answers that aren't shut down by stony or bounced with hurkyl is smart. All of those cards he chose were effective in one form or another, I think having a few non-artifacts that cost more than one cmc is something to look into.
Just my opinion,I'm still using baubles though so I might be behind the times.lol
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