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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Didn't they say that they were completing the MDFC land cycle in Kaldheim? Would that mean that there isn't another rare land cycle? If that's the case we can maybe guess what color some gods will be if they correspond with the remaining lands waiting to be printed. If I'm not mistaken we are missing Azorius, Golgari, Rakdos and Simic combinations.

    Or the lands may not correspond but if that's the case and there isn't another cycle then I would assume the gods would be monocolor. If they are multicolor I would assume there would have to be corresponding duals to help cast them and play their themes in limited.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    People don't like what I have to say about a card game? Clearly CNN is behind this. Rolleyes

    Does anyone have any speculation about how the gods will be colored? Enemy colored gods? I'll be happy to see new gods no matter what color they are but I'm really hoping this new plane will have a continuation of a dual land cycle already started so we can get the enemy color versions. Enemy versions of the Scattered Groves cycle or the Sunken Hollow cycle or even the Foreboding Ruins cycle. After building many a commander deck the disparity in available fixing between allied and enemy colored lands is getting pretty noticeably lopsided.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    There isn’t any merit in trying to go over an argument with an ulterior motive. If someone is arguing in bad faith you’re simply wasting your time. The issue in his examples has zero to do with Kaya as a character after all,
    Sounds like Fake News to me when the "ulterior motive" you've inferred is only your own delusion.


    You guys just love misusing loaded buzzwords, don't you? First Mary Sue, then "CNN bad," now fake news. When a post is composed of marginally-related buzzwords why would anyone want to engage with that earnestly?
    Define "you guys"

    Here's your available vocabulary list, per CNN's indoctrination rituals:
    Racist
    Sexist
    Bigot
    Misogynist
    Transphobic

    Except none of those apply to the valid reasons to criticize Kaya, or all Planeswalkers, as characters.


    See this is what I was talking about. Why would anyone react to this in earnest? It's something to roll your eyes at when your odd uncle shares his favorite reactionary facebook memes

    Anyway, I'm pretty sure the 'face' of a set refers to who is most prominently featured on the promotional material. As in, the public-facing marketing and who represents the company, set, or product. A protagonist is different. An example could be the spokesperson of a company, as opposed to the CEO or owner. Or how Freddy Krueger is the face of A Nightmare on Elm Street but is never the protagonist of the story.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    There isn’t any merit in trying to go over an argument with an ulterior motive. If someone is arguing in bad faith you’re simply wasting your time. The issue in his examples has zero to do with Kaya as a character after all,
    Sounds like Fake News to me when the "ulterior motive" you've inferred is only your own delusion.


    You guys just love misusing loaded buzzwords, don't you? First Mary Sue, then "CNN bad," now fake news. When a post is composed of marginally-related buzzwords why would anyone want to engage with that earnestly?
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging

    Not exactly. Characters experience undeserved and unearned fortune all the time and that's not a problem.


    That's like your opinion, which is clearly not shared by many others here

    If you are happy with Kaya going around in a norse block killing Valhallan spirits because "ghosts are bad!" good for you. But don't expect the same by people with a little better critical sense.
    If it comes out that the big bad of Kaldheim is some kind of ghost it will still be *****ty because when you think of norse mythology you don't think of a BBEG ghost and because Kaya can kill it extremely easy. She just need the stab the ghost with a knife (not a mary sue at all, totally a well balanced and thought after power).

    If you are so adamant at the thesis of racism and wanna expose us supposed bad racist mtg players, i suggest you to look at the announcements of Ikoria and M21. If the people triggered by Kaya were triggered also by Vivien and Teferi being the faces of those sets, you have found your racists. Otherwise, you just have found people who dislike Kaya because of the countless reasons that have been posted in this thread and that you are choosing to ignore.


    That's a lot of words you put in my mouth. But who am I to stop you from being mad at a straw man. The point is some people here are misusing the term Mary Sue and have not been consistent at all in their criticism. I get that you really don't like Kaya. Trust me, we can tell. But none of that makes her a Mary Sue or a bad character or whatever. Just the amount of vitriol directed at this one character and the inconsistency is just so incongruous.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Simto »
    lol half the people mentioned in that list of Gary Stu's don't fit the description and get ****ed up regularly.
    Everybody in this thread needs to step away from the computer a bit and relax. This ***** is not important at all.


    That's the point. People aren't even using the term correctly. If we go by the definition other posters are using then these characters are more of a problem than what they're complaining about. None of these characters are Mary Sues but by the standard they try to paint Kaya as one they would have to doubly do so for this list.

    A Mary Sue is a self-insert character, often in a fanfiction that is so perfect that it doesn't make sense in the story's world. Think a character that a fanfic author adds into something set in Harry Potter who is stronger magically than the characters the books built up to be the most powerful in the world and also is in a love triangle with Harry and Draco because the author has a crush on them. It isn't any female character that doesn't happen to experience defeat in a story.

    Does Kaya's ability to kill ghosts and her succeeding at it twice make her unrealistic in a lore that includes people that can literally lithoform a world or kill giant interdimensional Cthulu monsters with a BIG FIREBALL spell? Is that something that is so completely out of the realm of realism in a lore where an ancient dragon teleports an army of magic mummies and repurposed gods to attack a city and gets defeated?

    No, I don't think it is so unrealistic for a ghost assassin to kill ghosts that she doesn't fit in the lore. And therefore she's not a Mary Sue. And it's super silly to try to paint her as a Mary Sue while not applying the same standard to other characters.


    If you wanna get triggered because the term "mary sue" is gendered... well get triggered i guess?


    Nobody is triggered except the people getting laughably upset about Kaya. Explaining what a Mary Sue is and why it's a silly, inapplicable accusation is not getting triggered or getting mad or whatever. It's actually not having a problem with the character. That's like, the opposite of being triggered lol

    Being successfull is not the requirement for being a mary sue. Being successfull without earning it and without facing any consequence/hardship is.


    Not exactly. Characters experience undeserved and unearned fortune all the time and that's not a problem. What makes a character a Mary Sue is being so flawless that it doesn't make sense in the surrounding story. It's wish fulfillment on behalf of the author at the expense of continuity. That doesn't apply here.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    This Mary Sue talk is just getting a bit ridiculous. It's an accusation that gets dragged out way too often at inappropriate times and is almost always used as "female character I don't like." Did you guys notice the name is Mary Sue and not Tommy Sue or some other male name? Can you guys guess why that is? It's because male characters don't get the same kind of weird obsessive scrutiny and criticism for having any kind of success in a story.

    Professor X is the only one who can stop Magneto with his helmet off. Oh I guess he's a Mary Sue because he has a special power and it saves the day.
    King Arthur is the only one who can pull the sword from the stone and lead the people to victory. He must be a Mary Sue too.
    Luke Skywalker becomes super strong and can basically do no wrong in the original trilogy. Mary Sue.
    James Bond might as well be named Double Oh Sue because he's a big old Mary Sue.
    Michael Jordan in Space Jam? More like Mary Sue Jordan.
    Hercules? I think you mean Suecules.
    Bruce Willis in Die Hard? Mary Sue. Only special boy Bruce Willis can beat the terrorists because special boy Bruce Willis is just so much better than other cops or the FBI.

    If you guys actually applied this evaluation of characters consistently, it would be different. But you don't. And I don't mean retroactively trying to apply the same standard to other characters to appear unbiased. When you look at what people spend their time complaining about you can start to tell where their biases and priorities lie and what they find important by comparing it to what they don't spend the same amount of time and energy to complain about.

    If someone truly thinks that there isn't something weirdly different about the criticism of this poorly written character compared to the criticisms of other poorly written characters then can someone point me to the threadfuls of angry "Vraska bad" posts? How about the "Kamahl is Mary Sue and I no like" threads? Or "Why Ajani successful? He no earn" after he used his special unique power to beat Nicol Bolas single-handedly. There are countless characters that are poorly developed, have some niche ability and rarely if ever fail. And yet here we are. Kaya has the unique ability to throw a few of you into a tizzy. I guess we can add that ability to the Mary Sue column since it's another powerful ability only she has.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Leaf »
    What even is most of this discussion? Word salad merry-go-rounds?

    Lets summarize this trainwreck: Camp A dislikes Kaya because she is used as a tool by the writers to kill off non-planeswalker characters. Camp B likes Kaya because she killed some non-planeswalker characters off.


    Excellent both-sidesing. You are truly the most enlightened of centrists.


    Yeah and mary sue succeeding at everything because it's mary sue is still bad storytelling, no matter how much you try to twist it, generalize it or strawman it.


    Wait now I'm confused. Is she a bad person because of all her flaws or is she literally a flawless character because she's a Mary Sue? And don't you think it's a little silly to just use the term Mary Sue to describe a female character you don't like? Why not just call her a Karen too if these words have lost all meaning?

    Listen guys. We can recognize that you keep saying that Kaya is a bad character and the reasons you guys can list off as to why you don't like her but it's pretty inconsistent when all these other poorly-written characters get a pass and don't get entire threads full of every criticism you all can think of no matter how contradictory or inapplicable. What makes Kaya so uniquely disdained? Because a lot of the criticisms brought up apply to many, many other characters in Magic's lore. A Mary Sue? Jace is more of a Mary Sue. Many other planeswalkers are more of a Mary Sue than Kaya, who is just one of many planeswalkers who have been solely successful up to this point with our very limited exposure to her.

    There's a post up above that lists every action Kaya has taken in Magic as some kind of proof that she's an evil character with no redeemable qualities. And even if you twist every instance of seeing her in the storyline in the most uncharitable way then you come to the conclusion that sure, maybe she's a bad person. But that's not unique to her either. Ral Zarek did some bad things. Heliod did some bad things. Vraska did some bad things. Chainer did some bad things. Braids did some bad things. Kamahl did some bad things. Why aren't we seeing threads full of posts twisting every appearance they've made throughout the storylines, trying to turn them into Satan times a million like we see with Kaya?

    Is there something different about Kaya? Is there something unique about her character that causes this level of weirdly obsessive scrutiny and disdain that doesn't apply to these other characters?
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    In general just can’t agree with that stance. If what happened with the Obzedat is too easy then you really are just setting it up so Legendary creatures are infinitely more powerful than Walkers, which is absurd.


    Yeah, how dare those millennias-old creatures be more powerful than some 20-years-old walker who was just born with a special power because the plot said so?


    You're acting like this scenario is unique to Kaya and the Obzedat as opposed to the poor writing found all throughout the Magic storyline. I mean wasn't that kind of what happened when they wrapped up Battle for Zendikar block? A group of tweens managed to hold hands and then use a BIG FIREBALL to beat imperceptible extraplanar entities that destroy worlds? Then there's Innistrad 2. Was Lili and her high school friends holding off Emrakul with the chain veil until the eldrazi decided to jump in the moon for no reason better writing? Vraska killed a guild leader no problem and without much pomp and circumstance but no one really complains about that. Why is it only Kaya's dumb story you guys have a problem with? There's plenty of dumb stories to whinge about but this minor point in the last Ravnica block sure is getting an undue amount of focus.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    It's really sad that discussing anything concerning people of color and representation is uncannily read by some as an invitation to bring problematic political hot takes into a discussion.

    Yes Norse mythology has been partially coopted by white supremacists and that's a landmine that WotC wants to avoid. A way of doing that is showing a diverse cast of characters. That is a positive decision. This isn't a political statement and it isn't an invitation to tell me how you feel about an American political party or "minority character bad" or "media bad." I feel like we got quite enough of that when Ixalan came out and we saw angry rants about female pirates or whatever.

    Personally I think Kaya is an okay character that I'd like to see more of. She has a niche all to herself and that makes her interesting. The stories have always been pretty subpar and that's definitely not something that's unique to those involving Kaya.
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  • posted a message on [CMR] Kwain, Curious Itinerant / MTG Brasil preview
    Can't wait to open several of these in the rare slot.
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  • posted a message on [CMR] Giga preview Flamekin Herald + Juri, Master of the Revue
    Quote from Singe »
    Flamekin besides support playing those high costing commanders. It could work well with X variants like Grenzo, Dungeon Warden and Gyrus, Waker of Corpses


    Good idea. Not to mention the cascade can help give you an idea of what's put on the bottom of your deck for Grenzo.
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  • posted a message on [CMR] Mothership 11/02— Nevinyrral and his Disk
    Quote from Creedmoor »
    Can you stack his triggers like this?

    - Cast him from command zone.
    - First ability activates, in response sacrifice him to something like High Market.
    - second ability activates, blows up the board.
    - First ability activates next on the stack, makes that many zombies for everything you just killed?


    Yes.
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  • posted a message on [CMR] Thalisse, Reverent Medium and two reprints— EDHRECast previews
    I love Thalisse. I'm glad there are some really solid legends at uncommon.
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  • posted a message on [CMR] Plague Reaver— Andrea Mengucci preview
    Quote from Morphling »
    Kinda strange that its not a "Zombie" Beast.

    Its pretty undead on the art.


    Not sure wtf is going on this art, actually... Confused


    Me neither. Does it have eyes? There are three rows of teeth and the bottom two don't connect? This looks like a Kamigawa spirit or a Lorwyn elemental or something more than a regular ol' beast.
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