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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from Arkmer »
    I think this is just WotC reminding people that graveyard hate exists. It also makes me a bit worried that the next standard set might be really yard heavy.


    Yeah, is it a value reprint, or a safety value for even more powerful Standard? Could be interesting.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Blightbeetle
    Quote from AtraxianShade »
    ... Protection? In a new core set? After they said that "protection is too difficult for players to get right" (in other words, saying that players are dumb) and that they were shelving it indefinitely?

    THAT is unexpected.


    You know, I wonder if Arena, holding players hands, is enabling these power/complexity boosts.

    Or it could be that Sam is no longer involved with Design/Dev. :p
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Veil of Summer (Bloody preview)
    Eww. :p
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Void has now been spoiled.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Leyline of the Void
    Thank the lord. No way I was paying $70 for this.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [M20] Core Set Magic 2020 Previews: Modern Discussion
    Quote from Quamobrem »

    Also, could Scheming Symmetry be the card that finally enables Modern Miracles?


    Miracles, like what? UW Terminus was a thing for a good period of time.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    That would be good, void's hit $70!

    I've been watching Fiery Islet every day, it went down to 17.99, but the market is still hoping it kicks off, I dont see it and am holding on to buy any.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Remember when doing things like main-boarding multiple sideboard cards was considered warping? How is this not warping?


    Because its not a deck anymore, its literally Modern.

    Tell me, without Hogaak, is it 'wrong' to ignore Dredge, Phoenix, any deck that plays Snaps, Storm? People want to pretend decks like Phoenix are not 'GY' but there is a reason its starting to shift toward Aria of Flame.

    I just think it's silly to look back on old discussions about how X, Y, or Z would "warp Modern," and many of those people will tell us today that Modern is fine. It's a slow drip, a boiling frog, a gradual descend into where we are. Just frustrating given the comments people have made over the years, both here, and from WOTC, and then the stuff they print to incrementally break graveyard decks every couple months.


    Here's how I've come to peace with it.

    1. Did (do?) I believe Modern is 'fine'? Absolute not, from a perspective of 2016 BGx vs URx as the benchmark for what is 'fine'.
    2. Do I believe Wizard's has a grasp on what the 'winners meta' of Modern really is and how it play's out? No.
    3. Do I believe Wizard's has currated the 5-0 lists to hide what Modern really is at the top? Yes.

    So it comes to this.

    Modern is what it is. Its not 2016, its 2019. If you dont like Modern, then we can simply choose to not play it. It will NEVER be 2016 again. We have gone too far. When the intellectuals of Twitter/SCG/CFB call Phoenix a 'fair midrange deck' I do a spit take. Thats a joke. However within the context of what Modern REALLY is? Sure, I guess it is.

    Its the same as any game we play. We can accept the vision of the Dev Team, we can play it, or we can choose to do something else.

    I'm 2 Months and 1 Week from not playing Modern again for 2+ years. So I'll laugh it off, watch the format do its thing, as it is now fully divorced from Standard and Legacy, and it just is what it is. So you have to play 6 'free' GY removal spells right now. Fine. So they are clueless about countless things in the format? Fine.

    It's not 2016, and it is never going to be, ever again.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Remember when doing things like main-boarding multiple sideboard cards was considered warping? How is this not warping?


    Because its not a deck anymore, its literally Modern.

    Tell me, without Hogaak, is it 'wrong' to ignore Dredge, Phoenix, any deck that plays Snaps, Storm? People want to pretend decks like Phoenix are not 'GY' but there is a reason its starting to shift toward Aria of Flame.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [M20] Scheming Symmetry - Andrea Mengucci Twitter
    Quote from Melkor »
    I don't know how, but this looks like a card that does evil things in Modern.


    Count on it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    yeah now that we have seen the lists? This is not sufficient hate.

    I'm up to 3 Surgical Main, 3 Ravenous, 1 Tormod's Side. Because I'm not willing to pick up Voids, which btw are now $70 cards lol.



    Likewise. As predicted. People tend to react like this: ‘why should I change my board, other people are going to do it so I won’t face many of these degenerate decks’. And then, they get wrecked.

    That said, seven slots are usually simply too many. What deck are you talking about? Between four and six is the sweet spot, depending on the strategy you’re adopting.


    Phoenix. So the Surgical's are not terrible anyway (free spell) but 6-7 seems fine if approaching a Hogaak meta.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from wtyyy »
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-challenge-2019-06-16

    Four copies of Hogaak in the top 8, taking 1st to 3rd positions.


    1st to 3rd Hogaak: 4 leylines
    4th Mono-red Phoenix: Side - 2 Ravenous trap, 2 Tomod's Crypt
    5th UW control: 2 Sugicals, 4 RiP
    6th Mono-red Phoenix: 2 surgicals, 2 tomods, 1 ravenous
    7th Dredge: 4 leylines
    8th Hogaak: 3 Nihil Spellbomb
    9th Infect: 2 ravenous trap
    10th Eldrazi Tron: 1 surgical, 1 tomod, 2 ravenous, 1 cage
    11th Battle of wits?: not gonna bother
    12th Eldrazi Tron: 1 relic, 1 cage
    13th Hogaak: none
    14th 5C Humans: 4 leylines
    15th Whirl/sai/urza: 1 cage, 4 leylines
    16th WR Humans: 1 cage



    yeah now that we have seen the lists? This is not sufficient hate.

    I'm up to 3 Surgical Main, 3 Ravenous, 1 Tormod's Side. Because I'm not willing to pick up Voids, which btw are now $70 cards lol.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from RedGauntlet »
    Since we have so mutch grave hate, might aswell unban Golgari Grave-Troll and Dread Return. Just pack main board graveyard hate, its fine right?


    While I appreciate what you are trying to do, you don't pour gas on a fire.

    If Hogaak is the big thing (and it appears to be) then one would be a fool to not account for it. After we determine if one can hate it out, let's see then?

    Yes, we all get it, it's obnoxious to run 6+ dedicated hate cards but that's life IF Hogaak remains popular.

    If it works, and we can hate it out? Wizards won't care, and won't ban anything.

    As to people who claim the format is healthy, well that's between them and their conscience.

    I can only say that Wizards does not care how successful Dredge and Phoenix have been, and until shown otherwise I have zero reason to believe they will care about Hogaak, if we can suppress it.

    Diva has something like a 60% win rate against it. Just accept it exists, and Ravenous Trap/Surgical/Void.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    We will have data though, easily enough to infer what is competitive, optimal, or just 'viable'.

    You cannot look at 5-0s but SCG Top 16, Day 2s, Modern Classics, Modern Online Challenges (especially) and GP Top 16s are all meaningful data if you wish to metagame for Online or larger competitive events.

    I've done it, it's fine.

    It's not worthwhile for FNM.

    What data is going to even matter?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    I’m playing Bloo since the metagame shifted, and I can assure you that Force of Negation is bonkers against it. I’m currently 4-0 against Altarvine.


    Yep. The number of decks that lose to a resolved Kiln Fiend right now, if you get to untap with it, is large.

    As to the ban discussion, which again I find erroneous at this point, if one card getting banned is enough, Surgical should be enough.
    Posted in: Modern
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