Hey guys. Now that eye is gone and visions and sword are unbanned, what decks do you guys think benefit from the changes and what decks are hurt by then?
My thoughts:
Hurt:
Eldrazi (duh)
Jund (it will be better then it was in the Eldrazi meta tho)
Burn (depending on how much play sword sees)
Abzan coco (I'm skeptical about how good this deck will be with Eldrazi gone -- probably will sustain tier 2 tho)
Tron (RIP eye :()
Helped:
Control of all kinds (duh)
Fae (I really hope, this is such a cool deck)
Lantern control (can't wait for it to be "too annoying" now)
Tezzeret (Both unbans potentially help it)
I'm getting ready to port my Merfolk on over to Legacy, and I wanted to float my list over so that the more seasoned Legacy water breathers could take a look. Here's what I'm planning to go with:
I know this deck has a few unorthodox choices, so let me go ahead and try to explain myself:
1. Merrow Reejerey is here as a nod to decks with strong ground games that don't play Islands (such as Maverick and Eldrazi), and because I like its "ramp" aspect as a way to establish a quick clock in games where I've spent turns 1 and 2 playing an Æther Vial followed by a Chalice of the Void. I haven't really felt a need or desire to reach for Phantasmal Image (which does not play nice with Cavern of Souls) or Vendilion Clique (the deck has held up fine against midrange/control/combo).
2. From what I've read, the likes of Lands can be a tough matchup for us, so I'm trying out Spreading Seas as a potential solution that can also mimic our Modern playstyle against Death & Taxes, Eldrazi, and Maverick (we do well against all of the Modern versions of those decks, and Seas is a big reason why).
3. Likewise, Harbinger of the Tides come in against attrition decks like Shardless BUG (which demand that you pack more bodies to offset their removal), Infect (because holding them off on T2 with counterspells and on T3 with this is a delightful way to turn the corner), and Delver (because bouncing an Insectile Aberration or a Gurmag Angler is a tempo gutpunch).
4. I don't know what other people think, but Umezawa's Jitte has felt really bad in my mainboard when facing the likes of Reanimator or Storm. As such, I'm proposing to bring it in to combat the other creature matchups (where I typically have several cards that don't seem like they're so great).
I could be wrong on all of this, but that's where I'm at right now. I'm also waffling on whether I want Hibernation. I recognize Elves can be a bad matchup, but I have yet to encounter them, and Chalice of the Void seems brutal against them in Legacy, since they don't always pack Cavern of Souls. I'm also somewhat unsure what would actually come in for them - Chill? Submerge? V-Clique? Thoughts appreciated.
Welcome to merfolk!
First off, not running Silvergill is a BIG mistake. I would cut your dazes for it since most merfolk player agree that daze isn't that great anymore. As for Merrow or Phantasmal, there are ton of tricks you can try with it (i.e. copying your opponents Stoneforge to get a Jitte, copying a Marit Lage, etc) but I will be interested in your results with it since Merrow always seemed solid, though it's pretty slow. Good luck with the deck, and tell us how you do with your build!
And idk what to take. It's the online banlist/online cardpool so pretty standard in that sense. I currently have Modern Tron so I could make RUG Tron easily and I have Pauper Delver, but if neither of those are good then I could make something else (both seem good though). I only have experience playing pauper delver, and that was pre-COF ban.
It DOESN'T MATTER whether FoW is rare or mythic in EMA. Hell, even if it were common I bet the dual lands would simply go up more to compensate for the tanking of FoW. WotC can't support legacy in any meaningful way without dual land reprints and those are never coming just to let you know. If that disappoints you, go and get some job that pays 6 figures a year to afford dual lands without going broke doing so. Legacy has been dying for years. This EMA set is like trying to use a bandaid instead of performing heart surgery/it isn't helping anything other than modo really.
It DOESN'T MATTER whether FoW is rare or mythic in EMA. Hell, even if it were common I bet the dual lands would simply go up more to compensate for the tanking of FoW. WotC can't support legacy in any meaningful way without dual land reprints and those are never coming just to let you know. If that disappoints you, go and get some job that pays 6 figures a year to afford dual lands without going broke doing so. Legacy has been dying for years. This EMA set is like trying to use a bandaid instead of performing heart surgery/it isn't helping anything other than modo really.
Well thanks Debbie downer. Did it ever occur to you that not every deck runs dual lands, including burn, Merfolk, high tide, DNT, Dragon Stompy, MUD, and many more? And also that some decks aren't blue and therefore have much cheaper dual lands like GW Cloudpost, Maverick, Lands, Aggro Loam, and more decks? Prices will settle down regarding dual lands and LEDs -- meanwhile eternal masters should contain the prices of many other non-reserved cards, as well as increasing the supply so they will be easier to find, especially if you pick them up right after the set comes out. No need to cry wolf yet.
Question: I just got a play set of force of wills and one wasteland for legacy. What will happen to the prices? Should I panic sell them? (Specifically the wasteland as I don't need it that badly and I doubt force of will will drop)
No. If it's like Modern Masters, the staples will be relatively stable. Look at the cost of Noble Hierarch, Arcbound Ravager, Fulminator Mage, Spellskite, etc. They're still relatively high. As for Mythics (like Force of Will), Tarmogoyf, etc. are still pretty high too.
Yeah but for the record, they did drop. I mean they rose back up eventually, but Tarmogoyf is $50 less then it was pre-reprint, Hierarch is still half the price (though no way it derserved to be $70), and Ravenger, Spellskite, and Fulminator were at much lower prices before recent buyouts.
Ugh, just bought the remains of what I needed for Merfolk, including 4 force of will, 2 jitte, 1 wasteland, and 4 true name. What will this do to the prices?
Question: I just got a play set of force of wills and one wasteland for legacy. What will happen to the prices? Should I panic sell them? (Specifically the wasteland as I don't need it that badly and I doubt force of will will drop)
Hey guys, I just got into merfolk right before the meta shift. The current state of modern is weird right now but how is merfolk? My friend who used to play it says it's not very good but it at least seems decent so I'm curious what you guys think. I have this and tron but I may try to build a third modern deck soon that's better in this meta.
Hey guys, since my current 2 modern decks (Tron and Merfolk) both appear to be quite bad now that the meta is er...warped, I am looking for a new deck to throw together. Ideally it will be good now, but also be good a few months down the road when eldrazi gets banned (I'd be pretty shocked if that didn't happen). The two decks I am considering are UW Control and Abzan Company. UW Control I tested today and it felt pretty strong -- I feel like it's a good counter to the linear meta and is also pretty cheap. However, it's not quite proven yet (still tier 3) and I'm worried about investing in a crap deck out of optimism. Plus it's a tad durdley for my tastes (though I still enjoy piloting it). The list I would likely run is a list between the more control-y lists and the more blink-y lists. The other deck I was consdering is Abzan Company, a deck I have considered building for a while now. It's always seemed super fun having a toolbox style deck, and I enjoy playing wih it a lot. However, it seems like a fairly tricky deck to pilot, and I want something that I can master pretty quickly so I can get crushing asap ;). It's also waaaaaay more pricey then I realized it was -- I have a couple parts of it (spellskites, windswepts) but I would have to invest a lot into it.
Or maybe I build something else. Or nothing at all even.
Thoughts?
Hey guys, how do you think this deck is positioned right now? I think it could be the perfect deck for combatting the linear meta.
I tested the list from here: http://modernnexus.com/on-banning-and-beating-eldrazi/ (a mix between the more control-y lists and some of the more blink-y lists) on cockatrice and it felt very strong -- only feeling weak to other control decks which are dying anyways. But it had a good burn, tron, eldrazi, and even b/w dnt matchup. It's pretty cheap so I'm seriously considering buying into it.
Dark Ritual
Rishadan Port
Deathrite Shaman
Sneak Attack
Crop Rotation
Not Reprinted:
Scalding Tarn
Gitaxian Probe
Karakas
Blood Moon
Punishing Fire
My thoughts:
Hurt:
Eldrazi (duh)
Jund (it will be better then it was in the Eldrazi meta tho)
Burn (depending on how much play sword sees)
Abzan coco (I'm skeptical about how good this deck will be with Eldrazi gone -- probably will sustain tier 2 tho)
Tron (RIP eye :()
Helped:
Control of all kinds (duh)
Fae (I really hope, this is such a cool deck)
Lantern control (can't wait for it to be "too annoying" now)
Tezzeret (Both unbans potentially help it)
Thoughts?
Welcome to merfolk!
First off, not running Silvergill is a BIG mistake. I would cut your dazes for it since most merfolk player agree that daze isn't that great anymore. As for Merrow or Phantasmal, there are ton of tricks you can try with it (i.e. copying your opponents Stoneforge to get a Jitte, copying a Marit Lage, etc) but I will be interested in your results with it since Merrow always seemed solid, though it's pretty slow. Good luck with the deck, and tell us how you do with your build!
Thanks!
Well thanks Debbie downer. Did it ever occur to you that not every deck runs dual lands, including burn, Merfolk, high tide, DNT, Dragon Stompy, MUD, and many more? And also that some decks aren't blue and therefore have much cheaper dual lands like GW Cloudpost, Maverick, Lands, Aggro Loam, and more decks? Prices will settle down regarding dual lands and LEDs -- meanwhile eternal masters should contain the prices of many other non-reserved cards, as well as increasing the supply so they will be easier to find, especially if you pick them up right after the set comes out. No need to cry wolf yet.
Yeah but for the record, they did drop. I mean they rose back up eventually, but Tarmogoyf is $50 less then it was pre-reprint, Hierarch is still half the price (though no way it derserved to be $70), and Ravenger, Spellskite, and Fulminator were at much lower prices before recent buyouts.
Or maybe I build something else. Or nothing at all even.
Thoughts?
I tested the list from here: http://modernnexus.com/on-banning-and-beating-eldrazi/ (a mix between the more control-y lists and some of the more blink-y lists) on cockatrice and it felt very strong -- only feeling weak to other control decks which are dying anyways. But it had a good burn, tron, eldrazi, and even b/w dnt matchup. It's pretty cheap so I'm seriously considering buying into it.