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Cephalopods posted a message on No modern pro tourThis forum is totally falling apart. Bull***** threads are left open for days at a time, irrelevant discussions like this run rampant in potentially interesting threads... wtf happened?Posted in: The Rumor Mill -
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bfrie posted a message on No modern pro tourPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from john_pirate »Quote from bfrie »Quote from john_pirate »Splinter deck was too powerful of a deck for modern, if you don't understand that, then there's no point in reading anything anyone other then people with the same point as you has to say.
Lets real talk here. Modern is an absolutely garbage format. The format consists entirely of agro and combo decks, and always has. People try to bring up the old WUR (jeskai) control deck from multiple years ago, but that deck was garbage and lost to birthing pod/splinter twin/affinity on such a regular basis that the deck might be able to make top 8... but never gained any headway in top 8's. It's like trying to say 8 rack is a good deck, yeah it could make top 8, and it played okay at times, but now one is going to honestly say it's a good deck. That kiki-resto jeskai control deck was just a loser to pod/splinter twin/affinity as well.
The lands in modern are too good, the creatures are too undercosted, the removal costs are only increasing, counterspells continue to be a non-factor, and land destruction continues to have such high stipulations their useless before opponent can cast ridiculous stuff like... Karn Liberated. Until Wizards decides to fix the color balance and change their view of the game, we will continue to have a crap format.
you obviously dont know much about modern if you think UWR is bad against birthing pod/splinter twin OR affinity
I've pulled out some numbers of top 8's for each year. If you think uwr is good against around 30%+ of the field without looking at any other matchup... you would think it would place better right?
2012 stats
Jund 278 15 %
Affinity 199 11 %
Pod 164 9 %
Tron 136 7 %
Twin Exarch 102 6 %
UWx Midrange 91 5 %
Gift Control 29 2 %
UW Control 5 0 %
2013 stats
Jund 371 13 %
Birthing Pod 295 11 %
UrzaTron 265 10 %
Twin Exarch 216 8 %
Affinity 202 7 %
UWR Kiki Combo 192 7 %
UW Control 118 4 %
2014
Birthing Pod 470 11 %
Twin Exarch 430 10 %
Affinity 392 9 %
Tron 232 6 %
Red Deck Wins 228 6 %
UWx Midrange 193 5 %
UW Control 98 2 %
Looks like it was at a combined 7% whrn pod, twin and affinity were top dogs, the three decks you said it had bad matchups against
Beyond that, i see midrange, combo, aggro and control all as viable options, and every color heavily represented.
Compared to legacy, where you run blue or go home, and compared to standard aka midrange the gathering, i see an extremely diverse meta, just what are you comparing modern to that makes it "crappy" -
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bfrie posted a message on No modern pro tourPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from john_pirate »Quote from purklefluff »Quote from john_pirate »Splinter deck was too powerful of a deck for modern, if you don't understand that, then there's no point in reading anything anyone other then people with the same viewpoint as you has to say.
Lets real talk here. Modern is an absolutely garbage format. The format consists entirely of agro and combo decks, and always has. People try to bring up the old WUR (jeskai) control deck from multiple years ago, but that deck was garbage and lost to birthing pod/splinter twin/affinity on such a regular basis that the deck might be able to make top 8... but never gained any headway in top 8's. It's like trying to say 8 rack is a good deck, yeah it could make top 8, and it played okay at times, but no one is going to honestly say it's a good deck. That kiki-resto jeskai control deck was just a loser to pod/splinter twin/affinity as well.
The lands in modern are too good, the creatures are too undercosted, the removal costs are only increasing, counterspells continue to be a non-factor, and land destruction continues to have such high stipulations their useless before opponent can cast ridiculous stuff like... Karn Liberated. Until Wizards decides to fix the color balance, allow control to be a deck type, and change their view of the game we will continue to have a crap format.
I couldn't disagree with you more.
brewing-friendly way I can play the cards in my collection, bar none. It has a stable, friendly metagame (barring a couple of extenuating exceptions which prove the rule) and it has a huge variety of ways you can approach the format, encompassing all the traditional deck-types (and that's true, contrary to what you asserted).
for instance, in my local meta right now, Soul Sisters would be tier 0. we are currently overrun with burn and zoo decks (which makes for an interesting change), and any other strategies are usually represented by one die-hard fan (such as "the merfolk guy"). those GP statistics and SCG Tourneys be damned, because where I live, they don't mean a thing.
Did you even think before you wrote that, you completely just validated everything I said. 'Burn and Zoo overrun our meta"..... You mean Agro and Agro... surprise surprise. If soul sisters would be tier 0... then why isn't it? People not wanting to invest in it? Oddly enough it's about the same cost as the other decks, so not much of a reason. You completely ignored the fact that I stated the format is a crap format because only certain types of decks win (agro & control) and then go on to state agro is destroying your store.
Legacy oddly enough, lets you play with even more of your old cards, so that statement is horrible. Stable does not equate to good. Strategies being represented by... one person... does not mean a strategy is fairly represented, especially when youre talking about a huge realm on 'control' decks, and even then merfolk is much closer to agro than it is to control. Yes, anyone can go to a 8 or 16 person FNM, that doesnt mean that the particular 8-16 person fnm is a good indicator of the format, especially in larger cities where you can easily get 30-60 people.
Once again, you clearly dont know much about modern. Your actually now stating that control is viable after saying control loses to affinity -
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bfrie posted a message on No modern pro tourPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from john_pirate »Splinter deck was too powerful of a deck for modern, if you don't understand that, then there's no point in reading anything anyone other then people with the same point as you has to say.
Lets real talk here. Modern is an absolutely garbage format. The format consists entirely of agro and combo decks, and always has. People try to bring up the old WUR (jeskai) control deck from multiple years ago, but that deck was garbage and lost to birthing pod/splinter twin/affinity on such a regular basis that the deck might be able to make top 8... but never gained any headway in top 8's. It's like trying to say 8 rack is a good deck, yeah it could make top 8, and it played okay at times, but now one is going to honestly say it's a good deck. That kiki-resto jeskai control deck was just a loser to pod/splinter twin/affinity as well.
The lands in modern are too good, the creatures are too undercosted, the removal costs are only increasing, counterspells continue to be a non-factor, and land destruction continues to have such high stipulations their useless before opponent can cast ridiculous stuff like... Karn Liberated. Until Wizards decides to fix the color balance and change their view of the game, we will continue to have a crap format.
you obviously dont know much about modern if you think UWR is bad against birthing pod/splinter twin OR affinity -
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KaiDrago posted a message on No modern pro tourShould be read as "no more bans for the sake of bans!"Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Great decision! And why not, bring back twin! It was fun playing against it. -
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Kamahl, the Fallen posted a message on Judges sue Wizards of the CoastThese Judges should just get a real job.Posted in: Rumor Mill Archive -
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Zephyr Scarlet posted a message on No modern pro tourSure thing, but give us Splinter Twin back. It's ban was clearly made to upset the entire player base in order to pull of this thing again without the outcry it had last time.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Also unban Birthing Pod and Stoneforge Mystic while you're at it. -
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AvatarofBro posted a message on Judges sue Wizards of the CoastBeing a profitable company doesn't make you evil. But being a company whose annual revenue rivals the GDP of a small country while complaining about the idea of having to pay a basic salary to the people who help you sell more product is a *****ty thing to do.Posted in: Rumor Mill Archive -
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Zulzanet posted a message on Judges sue Wizards of the CoastAs far as logistics go, this suit makes no sense.Posted in: Rumor Mill Archive
The relationship between judges and WotC is that they volunteer. If they do not attend events and such, no punishment is given. They do not sign any form of engagement contract, nor are they eligible to compensation or vacation days and so forth.
The funniest part is that the judges have more control over this since they can simply boycott WotC and tournaments. WotC will take action and fast and may institute this in the future. You just have to cut your losses. To mull over the past when nothing indicates they are employees, is a waste of time and money. -
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Fiveod posted a message on Judges sue Wizards of the CoastPosted in: Rumor Mill ArchiveQuote from tchntm43 »
I'm actually just a tiny bit worried that this could spell the end of organized play eventually. It's hard to imagine Wizards paying wages to judges. It's possible that the competitive tournament system we have known and loved for decades has been built on top of a fragile employment structure overdue for collapse.
I sincerely doubt this will happen. The competitive scene is far too important a promotional tool for Magic for them to abandon it just because they have to give judges overtime. If they lose this case I suspect they'll just cut costs elsewhere to compensate. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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Here's the deal:
Abzan Midrange and Jeskai Tempo are the two dominant decks in standard right now. Jeskai Tempo isn't too expensive, but Abzan Midrange is, considering it plays many of the best cards in standard.
I dunno about Temur and reanimator, I can imagine Temur being pretty good, and not too hard to make control-y. As someone who formally played mono black midrange (not devotion), I can say that whip of erebos is a very strong card, and I dunno how a reanimator deck built around it would do but it seems like at worst, it would be okay. I would look into to it more and play test it before you invest though.
My recommendation? Jeskai control. My friend briefly ran that, and went a respectable 3-1 at FNM. It's yer standard
Control deck, running counter spells like dissolve, dissipate, etc, removal like banishing light and end hostilities. Rabblemaster is a surprisingly good card in that deck, so I would run that and some other creatures.
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Creature - Zombie Warrior (R)
At your end step, you may sacrifice Underworld Savior. If so, flip a coin and return a target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield. If the coin lands on heads, return Underworld Savior to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste until the end of the turn.
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IIW: Anti aggro cards
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Oh that didn't occur to me