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Unravel the Aether for wurmcoil, Maelstrom Pulse deals w/ Karn and wurmcoil tokens (they have the same name)- Dont forget it also kills Karn. I think that was part of my reasoning for maindecking 2 pulse actually now that i think of it.
Make sure that dont start blowing up random lands if they already have tron online with tec edge and fulminator. You have to be able to kill the Ugin land or they will just bury you in card advantage. If youre for some reason playing Eidolon of Rhetoric for the combo matchup its not horrible against them. Usually they'll chain thru spheres/stirrings to find karn/wurmcoil.
If you have surgical Extraction in your SB, its not the worst card to bring in, I just have a really hard time justifying playing it in my SB to begin with.
Side in Fulminator Mages and whatever GY hate you have. Play out early goyfs to bait removal so that your scooze will stick.
(this might be a bad idea) If you have darkblast in your 75 you can try dredging aggressively.
Also, this is exactly why I said a couple pages ago that Anafenza the foremost wasnt going anywhere.
Maelstrom Pulse and Bile Blight are both very good if you expect a lot of tokens. Timely Reinforcemnts also isnt horrible against them. If they get an aggressive hand they can put you low pretty quick- or you can just shock yourself/thoughtseize to make yourself effectively gain only 2-4 life instead of 6. This is why its good to play a variety of sideboard cards rather than 3 and 4 ofs so that you can try and have a decent SB against a huge field.
Its probably just have I havent played with bob in a while. He usually gets you through the variance of drawing lopsided. Against combo decks having removal piling up in your hand when you need threats to close out the game is rough. Often times you'll need to drop a threat and leave up abrupt decay mana- which is hard if you want to do that with rhino.
Im considering removing 1 removal spell for a maindeck Anafenza.
Abrupt decay and pulse are the most flexible. I also like how pulse can lead to blowouts against greedy opponents. You could cut it for a souls though if you don't like two. Honestly I think the souls /rhino count varies on the number of affinity decks in your meta.
Bow of nylea it's very good in the mirror to make your goyfs and rhinos bigger. It works very well with trample in general. The repeatable lifegain is amazing against burn and uwr. Sideboarding for those matchups is in the primer.
Against scapeshift they'll just eot cryptic bounce the leyline. Against those combo decks I think they side in bounce and hate for out anyways.
With that list I would go -4 abrupt -1 path -1 souls, +3 fulminator mage, +1thrun, +1 sword
If you can strap a sword on a guy and recur mages you're good to go. If they saw souls g1 it's often right to take them out.
For the mirror match I like bow as it lets your rhinos swing though their creatures every time, it also makes your creatures big enough to win combat stalemates, and can kill lingering souls. Did of light and shadow on a rhino is probably gg too. Another card I want to try for the mirror is blood baron of vizkopa.
If theres one thing Ive said a million times its that I hate path haha. It should be something else, Im definitely not quite ready to run murderous cut with bob. I wish we had a terminate.
Ill probably try out Go For the Throat and Victim of Night. If you arent expecting the mirror I still like Bile Blight as well.
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Manlands win you the grindy matches, they are also very good against cryptic command and wraths.
Treetop is also very important against combo decks for getting in for dmg when you need to end the game after tearing apart their hand.
I would run 7 manlands if there was a way i could get away with it.
Ill update the OP once we get more concrete data, Id prefer not to have it all be hypothetical decklists.
You can literally take the OP lingering souls decklist, remove 1 lingering soul, 1 removal, and garruk and have practically the same decklist for now.
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
2 Treetop Village
2 Swamp
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Twilight Mire
1 Windswept Heath
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Temple Garden
1 Godless Shrine
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Stirring Wildwood
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Siege Rhino
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Dark Confidant
Instant and Sorceries
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Thoughtseize
2 Lingering Souls
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Path To Exile
2 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Dismember
1 Slaughter Pact
Planeswalkers
3 Liliana of the veil
3 Fulminator mage
2 Timely Reinforcements
1 Bow of Nylea
2 Stony Silence
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Drown in Sorrow
1 Golgari Charm
1 Unravel the AEther
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
Id probably run something like this in an unknown metagame. The sideboard is highly customizable- generally i want 2-4 sweepers, 3-5 combo hate, 2-4 artifact/enchant hate, 2-3 cards specifically for mirror match like games, something for affinity and burn.
9 removal spells seems like a lot, 1-2 could probably be cut for more lingering souls or a rhino. I expect the meta to be filled with creatures, even most of the combo decks in the meta will likely be creature based- and scapeshift sides in creatures against us anyways.
Maelstrom Pulse is very well positioned right now. The format is going to slow down and be wide open. So having a slower removal spell that can deal with anything is going to be very good right now.
I think that Timely or kor firewalker would be better if youre afraid of burn. Leyline isnt really too useful in any other matchups for us. If its not in our opening hand, there is almost no time that we want to tap 4 mana to cast it. tapping out t4 against combo is either too late or could just mean death in tapping out. waiting to cast it with mana up is definitely too late. game 3 against burn they just side in their 4 enchantment removals and d/ rev it. They literally dont have an answer to kor firewalker outside of us blocking with it then getting skullcracked. In the mirror match you should be sideboarding out all your discard anyways.
1 cc removal is a lot easier than 2 cc, though i suspect that vendetta is probably better off as another dismember- especially since vendetta doesnt kill bob/rhino.
@Nightangel
I think you can cut a removal spell or a lily for the 4th bob. 11 spot removal spells+lily's -2 is a lot of removal. (it also gives you a lot of dead cards against combo g1)
Tasigur seems like a great card for the mirror match and against control. We have horrible time dealing with Keranos against UWR, dropping him against uwr lategame while being able to activate him atleast once could be game breaking. (or, thrun might just be better in the mirror and against uwr).
Dont get rid of your anafenzas too quickly, especially if dredge and/or tasigur becomes a thing. Goyf and Scooze dont have any synergy, and neither do tasigur and goyf. Anafenza and scooze work together just fine.
Vault of the Archangel isnt for this deck. We dont swarm as well as token decks that run it- and it would be replacing a tec edge or a manland. In 3 colors we can only afford to run 1-2 tec edge as it is, which are pivotal in winning g1s against uwr, tron, scapeshift, affinity, and the mirror. Manlands are important against decks with cryptic command, board wipes, and matches of attrition. Vault is a 'do nothing' card on its own, limiting the number of 'dead draws' in this deck is very important. This deck aims to tear its opponent into topdeck mode with it, so you want all of your draws to be relevant.
Pick up twilight mires for $25 while you can, they'll be back up to $37 soon enough.
@Awram of the veil
Start with 4 bob and work into how many rhino to run, not the other way around.
I really like Bile Blight against merfolk, even just getting a 2-1 balances out the CA they get from silvergil, and 2-1s are pretty common when they copy stuff with phant image. Its also important to note that the tokens from wurmcoil engine have the same name, so pulse and blight both wipe them out.
If lightning bolt starts to see a lot less play I might start playing Glissa the Traitor with swords/engineered explosives. executioner's capsule is probably too cute.
In the mean time, you can try and metagame and guess which will be more useful in smallpox, wrench mind, or devour flesh(gatekeeper works too).
Theres no reason not to run 4 bob and 4 rhino.
Look at the deck lists on the front page, they all have 2-4 4 drops.
None of them gain life.
Rhino actually displaces the life he makes you lose.
Tasigur uses up a lot of resources. Most of the time I'd think we'd rather be activating manlands or scooze. Also, rest in peace is already really good against us, why make it even better?
Also against tron if they already have tron assembled and blowing up a land no longer matters, blocking wurmcoil then sacking so they dont gain life works really well.
Feed the Clan only gains you life. In general we want cards that are more flexible than that. Burn actually runs a good deal of creatures in Goblin guide, swift spear, eidelon, and probably lavamancer again. Usually the first two turns will be spent using discard/removal/playing a blocker that by turn 3 they'll have 1 creature and we have 0. The card is also useful in other matchups. Zoo is actually a rough matchup and the card does work there too.
I like fracturing gust for a few reasons. Its flexible in that we can use it against bogles and affinity. With the amount of removal and discard we run we can usually make it to turn 5 to cast the spell.
Since it is an instant we can use it during combat for a complete blowout. Against affinity it hits their attacking manlands (which is huge, often times you can cast a board wipe and then you just die to manlands). Against bogles you can cast it after attackers are declared then block and kill all their creatures.
That said, I'd probably only run it a a 1-of. You still need other sweepers against affinity such as golgari charm, engineered explosives, drown in sorrow, and/or damnnation.
Unravel is there as a trump for Keranos. It also deals with wurmcoil well, and works just as well against other artifacts/enchants we encounter.
As straight BG your affinity matchup is so bad that you need 4 creeping corrosion in the board. And even then you still only have a 50/50 maatchup after SB. Even if you dont play rhino white for lingering souls and sideboard cards is worth it. Stony Silence and Aven Mindcensor shore up a lot of matches.
This question has been answered multiple times in the past 3 pages.
Play both. The deck played 4 drops that didnt gain life with bob before, why would it be any different now?
In that meta my SB would probably be
1 Bow of Nylea
2 Timely Reinforcements
1 Fracturing Gust
4 Fulminator Mage
1 Golgari Charm
1 Unravel the Aether
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Stony Silence
2 Aven Mindcensor
I havent played the tron matchup since siege rhino, but i remember it being pretty horrible. You could cut a fulminator mage for a thrun if you want to be a little more diverse. I have a feeling that fulminator mage is going to be very important in the coming metagame though.
Bolt-Snap-Bolt imo is always what im afraid of most.
Your best bet is to play a wrath that actually answers Thrun, the Last Troll. I dont think ive ever lost a game to uwr that involved a thrun.
Delve cards are out the window, the ones we were trying out werent that great anyways.
Slaughter Pact is probably only playable as a 1 of now, because of opposing rhinos.
Anafenza is still going to be a thing, there will be junk pod-esque decks that run a plethora synergous creatures that includes VoR and Finks- also, the less outlandish guess is dredge will become more of a thing. Dredgevine was tier 1.5 or 2, now it has a solid finisher and much better dredger.
Still unsure about lingering souls.
@player292
Thats a junk deck, not a BGx midrange deck.
We dont play BoP, we dont play more than 2 path, we have liliana, we play manlands, and we probably dont play smiter.
Rhino will probably goto 2-3 of. Either to make room for Thrun/batterskull/blood baron or for the timid bob player.
Yes, but the amount of virtual card advantage you get with her against pod is ridiculous. Not having to kill VoR and Finks twice is HUGE.
Lingering Souls used to be amazing, but they are just so pitiful against siege rhinos.
Playing a singleton is still useful though, as 1 soul + rhino kills their rhinos, and can chump their flyers for a bit.
Really though- the lingering souls is a nod to affinity, its still a challenging matchup.
If cruise and dig are the only things banned, i expect to see a lot of rhinos, and suspect that blood baron is going to become VERY playable.
Delver isnt a bad matchup, but it is a hard one. Delver and Pod are probably 50/50. If you know your deck and how to sequence your spells you should be fine and win the bulk of your matchups against these decks. If you have courser instead of anafenza in your deck, its probably more like 40/60 in their favor.
The beauty of this deck is that there is no true 'impossible' matchup and you can buid the deck to go atleast 50/50 with most decks in the format. The worst matchups for the deck are RG Tron (not the blue variants) and Scapeshift.
Tron just goes over our head, and its hard to properly sideboard for their entire deck. Scapeshift just wants to play lands against us then topdeck the scapeshift and win. Discard doesnt help against topdecks. Both of these matchups are winnable, they just arent necessarily 50/50.
I feel like anafenza is a must in a pod infested meta, and thats the slot hes probably threatening to take up.
That said im still going to brew with him, he'd probably be better in junk than jund since we often play darkblast instead of lightning bolt.
But who knows, we might be playing Bob next friday
After the last few weeks ive found that Pod is by far the hardest matchup. Sometimes you can get well timed discard into threats and just out tempo them, but if you go into the lategame against them they usually just win. Not having bob is a massive drawback.
Delver is a hard matchup, but pod is far far worse, so I'm currently going with Anafenza is my 75 over courser.
The next bad matchup is scapeshift in my opinion. I ended up splashing red just so that i could run slaughter games against them after side. Since I had red I went ahead and put 4 bolt and a terminate in the MD. I liked the deck a lot, the only thing i found myself missing was running 2 maelstrom pulses so that i could come back from behind against swarm strategies or to give me more ways to create card advantage in the grindy matchups.
This looks more like Pod w/o pod than it looks like BGw tbh.
Explosives is really good. Some of the hardest decks for us to deal with are the quick aggro decks that swarm, EE is great at wiping them out.