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  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Quote from JLambe13 »
    Quote from blackieste »
    i dont understand the logic of wishclaw talisman over scheming symetry, at least not in main....you need to expend 11B to tutor....+1 to thought scour whatever they use their tutor on.... against B to tutor... then the same thought scour for basically the same effect(you are playing a tempo deck, the extra tutor is most of the times irrelevant..... also... is a permanent that can be blown).....

    care to explain your reasoning?

    I don't understand why you care for a thoughtscour with a wishclaw talisman since wishclaw talisman automatically puts the card in their hand. I have been able to use wishclaw talisman late game to search for the card to keep the game going or to win the game. The opponent can't counter react once they receive the wishclaw talisman because it works sorcery speed but they have to be very wary if they are to use it because there is a good chance you searched for a archive trap. Also if you run the Ashiok, Dream Render they can't activate the wishclaw talisman.

    There are multiple mill players at my FNM, but they all seem to really like wishclaw talisman right now. So I am not too crazy about using this card.

    Also I don't have MB surgical in the deck because it kind of hurts drown in the loch. If you are going to take cards early game out of the graveyard then drown in the loch isn't as good. Plus with Urza PO and/or Thopter foundry they can possibly respond to what you are targeting or tap an extra mana to trigger the sword.

    You may be better off running extirpate in the deck or SB to deal with those decks.





    EDIT: i will try it next tournament, but im not that convinced

    EDIT 2: i also find your lack of 4 surgicals in main..... disturbing

    again, i may have been wrong on the whole thought scour + wishclaw.... but still i dont see why would you run it instead of symetry... but i guess to each its own

    surgical on main wins a lot of matches.... removing cards from gys when: 1. u are milling them for 10+ a pop and 2. need basically like 7 for drown at most... since its a t4 format with fetches... i would think drown of the loch being active is a thing you should be worried about... even with surgical main
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Quote from Keiichi »
    Quote from LordHelmchen »
    I'm really stoked for Drowed in the Loch.
    Vantress Gargoyle looks weaker than Jace's Phantasm to me.


    I think it's less about which is weaker or stronger, and more about that we now have up to 8 copies of a cheap 5/x flier to attack with. Phantasm wins a significant number of games even though milling them out is the main strategy; doubling the tools for that alternate line of attack is a good thing. In my view it's play both, not either or. Maybe 4 phantasm and 2 or 3 gargoyle if space is an issue or the attacking plan is deemphasized in your build.


    i actually proved it with x3 gargoyles... and i can say it improves inmensely some of the worst matches of the deck(burn and infect)... might go down to 2 for space issues... still a great card!
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    i dont understand the logic of wishclaw talisman over scheming symetry, at least not in main....you need to expend 11B to tutor....+1 to thought scour whatever they use their tutor on.... against B to tutor... then the same thought scour for basically the same effect(you are playing a tempo deck, the extra tutor is most of the times irrelevant..... also... is a permanent that can be blown).....

    care to explain your reasoning?

    EDIT: i will try it next tournament, but im not that convinced

    EDIT 2: i also find your lack of 4 surgicals in main..... disturbing
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [ELD] Drown in the Loch— Carlos Romao preview
    so... beautiful...

    will try thi for sure in modern
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EElW2aUXYAAfSqX?format=png&name=small

    LET THE DISCUSSION BEGIN!!
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [M20] Scheming Symmetry - Andrea Mengucci Twitter
    sooooooooo good in ubx mill in modern..... i get a card i can use... you get a graveyard target i will probably surgical the next turn dot dot dot dot dot dot
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    I actually think this new tutor is HUGE.... finding answers or more gas while they find another target for us to surgical is great news
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Eladamri's Call
    This is a Huge Mistake (emphasis on HUGE)
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on New Quick Draft paper format modeled after Arena
    yeah, beggining of the end, methinks.... thanks god already dropped out of std...
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Last night i got 1st place on a local tourney with the UB version. It was not that big of an event (4 rounds, 16 ppl) but still i perceived the deck to be in a MUCH safer ground than before(its still not tier one, its more like 2.... which is actually good since it used to be like tier 4 or something).

    Im not gonna go into the games(it was an relatively easy match, another 2 even, and the final that was against humans) i just wanted to post a couple of lessons learned from the event:

    -ensnaring bridge, at cmc 3, has nothing going for it(in my meta at least) so i prolly goin to drop it from sb on the next events.

    -i was NOT a believer of MD collective brutallity, but yesterday the card overperformed for me, so it has earned the right to stay there

    -likewise, profane memento pretty much won me the humans matchup... gonna go up to 4

    -finally, triple U is kinda hard to get on time for mission briefing to be THAT useful(i mean, it is, its just that i found myself with more that one in hand and not the third blue to cast anythig useful with it in a decisive turn).... i was playing 3, i think im gonna chop it back to 2

    Still, it was a nice surprise for such a deck to be performing the way it did... even with bad starting hands...

    im gonna keep working on it...ill keep u posted
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Im baffled that people still trying to consider UW mill as a competitor.

    In case you guys have not seen the title of the subforum(aggro and tempo) or just decided to completely ignore it, here's a couple of remainders:

    1.Mill spells DO NOT really do anything until our opponent has no cards in his library(if anything, you are helping most decks).

    2.Ergo, for #1, mill spells ARE NOT a good wincon(which is usually what UW mill tries to do), if you want to play UW theres a million better wincons than mill.

    3.Responses in mill decks are pretty much a way to slightly delay the opp so we can mill the heck out them, the deck should be based on density of THREATS,not ANSWERS, we are in an enviroment in which you cant have all the answers.... especially if we have to dedicate 8+ slots to our wincons

    Guys, i also love mill, but get it into your head, mill in modern is a TEMPO deck, which is more on par with Burn that with control... and should be played as such until we have a good enough milling spell in UW

    Peace ut
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    ok, i think thats it for dimir, barring a miracle.... still yawgmoths will on opponents is pretty flashy...

    wo got shafted on the rare cards.... pretty much a grind x 2... which many cards have done in the past... nothing good to write home about...

    they didnt even tried to clean the text on the enchantment so it could actually be taken seriously as a modern mill sb(still say "target player")

    meh..
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    that "may" take care of the eldrazi problem(has not been such a big deal since 2015 to begin with)

    BUT...

    i was actually expecting a "glimpse" with "each opponent" attached,
    that would largely solve the leyline problem, since we already have the tools to grind slowly(manic scribe, mesmeric orb) but we need the big spell to keep the pressure, since 8/10 times they would run us over when they have LoS on play
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    we have like 14 rares left... but i dont think dimir has more than 1-2 spells left at rare, so its likely we wont get the milling spell we are all waiting for...

    and if u guys are trying to mill with AT, as an ex-esper mill player, its not worth the splash... your deck gets way less consistent, and opponents wont go for the land most of the time... just go ub instead...

    besides if we DO get a milling spell, it will be probably phrased as "each opponent", rendering the whole "LoS" issue mute
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Quote from Dragannia »
    It's interesting that the Dimir Guild has not yet had a mill card revealed. They're really pushing Surveil, which admittedly is a pretty powerful mechanic.

    I'm interested to see the split card. Mill's biggest weakness I find is Leyline of Sanctity and Eldrazi effects, with the latter being really effing annoying, so I'm keen to see a toolbox card that maybe can deal with that.


    rare split was a bust

    eldrazi effects are not such a big problem now... we have surgical, leyline of the void or, if you want to be really inventive, old lazav...

    LoS effect is still a big problem that i really want the mill card on this set to address.... in case we get one... sigh
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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