MTGO league play in the past 3 days (30 separate events) has been won by 9 monument decks, more than any other archetype. kogamo (Kenji I believe) won with an interesting take using Thalia's Lancers to search up legendary cards, including Monument, Thalia, and assorted angels.
I've seen that list quite a few times. Lancers is in my own list, but I think if you're gonna play them you need an Odric in the deck somewhere.
The way my games play out, I want to be playing monument on turn three, then lancers or Oketra on turn 4. I tutor up whichever piece is missing from the doublestrike/flying equation and always play Odric last.
So hopefully I have a flier like selfless spirit in play, oketra for doublestrike/indestructible and whatever other random bodies are on the battlefield. It usually throws opponents for a loop and they need instant speed removal for Odric and even that won't stop it if selfless spirit is in play.
The meta on modo is pretty cutthroat. I've noticed a lot of people with maindeck Dissenter's Deliverence and Magma Spray. It's not uncommon to go through a league and be in a mirror 3 times. With seth's New Perspectives video coming out a lot more people are running that deck and mono white has a slim chance against it, as well as a nigh unwinnable matchup against turbofog and the various Approach of the Second Sun decks running sweeper tribal.........
From experience playing and losing against the UW decks, it's probably the best version. I've seen streamers run it and lose because the lands weren't working out for them, but from playing against it they tend to have a lot of damage in the air between selfless/bishop/spell queller/avacyn/gisela. They can chump block your dudes on the ground and swing in with the fliers until you lose, countering your own fliers with Metallic Rebuke and Spell Queller while also not having terrible matchups against the combo decks thanks to maindeck Metallic Rebuke and Spell Queller countering the important bits.
Immolating Glare is a fine option for the Heart problem. Having received that suggestion, I next feel Blessed Alliance might be even better. Because, the cards it's likely to catch include: Ormendahl, Gideon, Bristling Hydra, Lumbering Falls. All things you can't Glare.
Two cards we'd wish never attacked at all are: Glorybringer and Skysovereign. But there seems to be nothing at 2 that can prevent those swinging.
Well, I was looking at my sideboard and Gideon's Intervention is something that can shut one or the other down.
You can make a half-decent humans deck, but it wouldn't run Monument. A monument deck needs Bygone Bishop, Selfless Spirit, Monument, and Dusk/Dawn, and by that point, it's no longer a good idea to build it into humans.
3-1 today, Mardu was my only loss, bad draws, but I can't help but feel there's some problems preboard against them. Preboard not a lot of answers to Heart. Dusk isn't great.
Wins over BG energy, R eldrazi, and Temur energy.
I don't know what the new set brings, but in the mono-white deck, I can say there is a distinct lack of decent 2-mana removal, and all the 2-drop besides Selfless Spirit creatures are bland. If there's anything exciting to try from the new set, that's an idea.
I just switched out my Declaration in Stones for Cast Out, and then switched the Cast Outs in my sideboard with Immolating Glare. I've seen enough vehicles and such that the sorcery speed on dec in stone has given me a real bad taste in my mouth.
Is there any reason not to go a more human-centric route? It seems like we could maybe capitalize on the tribal synergies, or go more the flyer route as UW does. As it is, the mono-W version seems like a bit of a hodgepodge with no clear consensus on the best cards.
The tokens aren't humans, and cards like what? Thalia's Lieutenant? There aren't enough good human cards to make a deck. Compare the pool of humans to zombies.
Oh and if anybody is interested, I uploaded replays of my odric monument deck from a league.
Round 1. RG energy. 2-0. Opponent gets just short of lethal with electrostatic pummeler, my multiple captains end up flipping and keeping the rest of his dudes at bay until I draw odric which breaks the stalemate on the ground. http://imgur.com/a/d6EId Game 2 pretty much the exact same thing happens but instead of huge cult leaders keeping him at bay it's indestructible blockers, odric shows up and it's over. Opponent compliments me on the deck. http://imgur.com/a/Gh78q
Round 2. UW monument. 1-2 Opponent wins the die roll, flips his militia captain first and a flipped westvale abbey is my undoing. http://imgur.com/a/xyYVg Tons of back and forth in game 2 but odric ends up breaking the stalemate. http://imgur.com/a/oNm85 Game 3 opponent has tons of gas including 2x dec in stone and I can't make a comeback. http://imgur.com/a/ZJmXq
Round 3. UW monument. 2-0 Some back and forth game 1, opponent gets my big stuff with dusk/dawn but bruna targeting odric causes opponent to scoop. http://imgur.com/a/UtSxY Game 2 opponent seems to be color screwed for blue and scoops the turn after I tutored Odric with lancers. http://imgur.com/a/bbeTo
Round 4. Mardu vehicles. 1-2. Game 1 I keep a hand with no action until turn 3 and get rekt. http://imgur.com/a/TLvB1 Game 2 I have the answers for the vehicles http://imgur.com/a/Ax5XZ Game 3 I keep an iffy hand with triple monument because it has early game action, I miss my 3rd land drop. Opponent punishes my slow start with gideon, heart of kiran and glorybringer. http://imgur.com/a/pxvVq
Round 5 RB madness. 2-0 Game 1 I got some weenies on the table, we trade attacks. Turn 6 I play oketra + odric and op lightning axe's odric at beginning of combat but trigger is already on the stack. http://imgur.com/a/OtbQ8 Game 2 opponent answers my monument with By Force and my lancer tutors up monument since I have triple militia captain. Opponent scoops to Odric. http://imgur.com/a/xzWjv
I will likely switch out my Forsake the Worldlys in sideboard for Fragmentize I may also consider changing my Declaration in Stones for Stasis Snare. The sorcery speed of dec in stone bit me in the ass multiple times because of vehicles and Ormendahl. Also possible that I should put the skysov back in the deck as a tutor target for lancers.
As often as Odric is THE reason for the win, it may make sense to switch out the weenies for keyword creatures. Like say the mechanics/captains/bygone/inspectors all being switched out for things like Aerial Responder/Ayli/sacred cat/vampire cutthroat/lone rider/gifted aetherborn/solemn recruit/drana.
I had notes but my internet crapped out on me during 4th round. I restarted my computer trying to fix it and didn't save the file.
Match 1 BG counters/eldrazi/energy?. 2-0. Dude is playing with eldrazi. TKS and crew can't hold up to monument tokens. Eventually odric shows up giving dudes haste/indestruct. http://imgur.com/a/BL275
Match 2. BG counters. 2-1. Some back and forth here. Last game opponent scoops to lancers tutoring Odric with Oketra and flying on the table. http://imgur.com/a/Exi2P
Match 3. Mono black zombies. 2-1. Game 1 came down to gisela + odric giving all my dudes flying and lifelink. Was a really close match. He would have won game 3 but he was playing really slow and timed out a couple swings from the win. I was winning game 3 pretty handedly but skysov turn 5 pretty much mopped up....but then op timed out. http://imgur.com/a/KyQOZ
Match 4. BG counters. Won game 1 with the nuts. http://imgur.com/a/dA1uj Then my internet acted funky and I couldn't connect to modo or twitch, but youtube/etc was fine. By the time I got back I had received a match loss.
Match 5. Mono red midrange. Game 1 went to chandra + glorybringer. Game 2 and 3 was all about Wall of Resurgence + Cascading Cataracts including opponent aiming removal at cataracts game 2. http://imgur.com/a/mn9mW Game 3 opponent couldn't handle Oketra + Wall of Resurgence.
First round BG counters 2-0. Opponent couldn't handle multiple awakened cataracts. Ballista couldn't stop the oketra + cataract beats/blocks. He even tried to kill the first one with fatal push. Dusk/dawn blew him out game 2, killing snek + gearhulk and forcing him to burn counters off of ballista. http://i.imgur.com/VzTiwGf.png
Second round BG counters 1-2. Even though this opponent ALSO cast fatal push on cataracts, tireless tracker + snek + multiple gearhulks spelled my doom. Game three he played 3x snek into double ballista and I got rekt. The first loss dusk/dawn would have saved me but never drew it, last game wouldn't have mattered.
Third round New Perspectives 0-2. I had no disruption for his combo game 1 and he cycled into the win. Game 2 I got him to 4 life but a few fogs later into new perspectives and he cycled into the win. I guess maybe I need Gideon's Intervention in my sideboard or something, all I had to bring in was a pair of cast out and 3x fragmentize...which I just switched over to forsake the worldly. Completely unwinnable game 1 unless I drew the nuts and he tapped out.
Fourth round BW tokens 2-0. Odric made the team fly over his tokens, double striking for the win both games. Game 2 was sort of close because of yahenni but eventually a hasty odric ended the game. Brisela featured in one of the games.
Fifth round grixis graveyard 2-1. Game 1 he got mana screwed for a bit but hung on with elder deep fiends and recursion, brisela ended game 1. Game 2 elder deep fiend + fliers finished me off. Game 3 oketra was an all-star, ignoring removal and sweepers, double striking in for the win.
The Wall + Cataracts thing is hilarious. No Aviary Mechanic to target your wall and make the land a 6/6? Are you missing the additional Westvalale Abbeys?
Jenara technically covers bant.
Gotta have red too. So either 4 or 5 color would be best.
I've seen that list quite a few times. Lancers is in my own list, but I think if you're gonna play them you need an Odric in the deck somewhere.
The way my games play out, I want to be playing monument on turn three, then lancers or Oketra on turn 4. I tutor up whichever piece is missing from the doublestrike/flying equation and always play Odric last.
So hopefully I have a flier like selfless spirit in play, oketra for doublestrike/indestructible and whatever other random bodies are on the battlefield. It usually throws opponents for a loop and they need instant speed removal for Odric and even that won't stop it if selfless spirit is in play.
The meta on modo is pretty cutthroat. I've noticed a lot of people with maindeck Dissenter's Deliverence and Magma Spray. It's not uncommon to go through a league and be in a mirror 3 times. With seth's New Perspectives video coming out a lot more people are running that deck and mono white has a slim chance against it, as well as a nigh unwinnable matchup against turbofog and the various Approach of the Second Sun decks running sweeper tribal.........
From experience playing and losing against the UW decks, it's probably the best version. I've seen streamers run it and lose because the lands weren't working out for them, but from playing against it they tend to have a lot of damage in the air between selfless/bishop/spell queller/avacyn/gisela. They can chump block your dudes on the ground and swing in with the fliers until you lose, countering your own fliers with Metallic Rebuke and Spell Queller while also not having terrible matchups against the combo decks thanks to maindeck Metallic Rebuke and Spell Queller countering the important bits.
Well, I was looking at my sideboard and Gideon's Intervention is something that can shut one or the other down.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/691539#online current list. Sideboard is a bit different now but didn't bother changing it.
I just switched out my Declaration in Stones for Cast Out, and then switched the Cast Outs in my sideboard with Immolating Glare. I've seen enough vehicles and such that the sorcery speed on dec in stone has given me a real bad taste in my mouth.
The tokens aren't humans, and cards like what? Thalia's Lieutenant? There aren't enough good human cards to make a deck. Compare the pool of humans to zombies.
Oh and if anybody is interested, I uploaded replays of my odric monument deck from a league.
https://youtu.be/CsYFkUdONJs
A highlight........http://imgur.com/a/vQT9y finally drew land for fumigate. Brisela ended the game. http://imgur.com/a/LXqyR
3-2
Round 1. RG energy. 2-0. Opponent gets just short of lethal with electrostatic pummeler, my multiple captains end up flipping and keeping the rest of his dudes at bay until I draw odric which breaks the stalemate on the ground. http://imgur.com/a/d6EId Game 2 pretty much the exact same thing happens but instead of huge cult leaders keeping him at bay it's indestructible blockers, odric shows up and it's over. Opponent compliments me on the deck. http://imgur.com/a/Gh78q
Round 2. UW monument. 1-2 Opponent wins the die roll, flips his militia captain first and a flipped westvale abbey is my undoing. http://imgur.com/a/xyYVg Tons of back and forth in game 2 but odric ends up breaking the stalemate. http://imgur.com/a/oNm85 Game 3 opponent has tons of gas including 2x dec in stone and I can't make a comeback. http://imgur.com/a/ZJmXq
Round 3. UW monument. 2-0 Some back and forth game 1, opponent gets my big stuff with dusk/dawn but bruna targeting odric causes opponent to scoop. http://imgur.com/a/UtSxY Game 2 opponent seems to be color screwed for blue and scoops the turn after I tutored Odric with lancers. http://imgur.com/a/bbeTo
Round 4. Mardu vehicles. 1-2. Game 1 I keep a hand with no action until turn 3 and get rekt. http://imgur.com/a/TLvB1 Game 2 I have the answers for the vehicles http://imgur.com/a/Ax5XZ Game 3 I keep an iffy hand with triple monument because it has early game action, I miss my 3rd land drop. Opponent punishes my slow start with gideon, heart of kiran and glorybringer. http://imgur.com/a/pxvVq
Round 5 RB madness. 2-0 Game 1 I got some weenies on the table, we trade attacks. Turn 6 I play oketra + odric and op lightning axe's odric at beginning of combat but trigger is already on the stack. http://imgur.com/a/OtbQ8 Game 2 opponent answers my monument with By Force and my lancer tutors up monument since I have triple militia captain. Opponent scoops to Odric. http://imgur.com/a/xzWjv
I will likely switch out my Forsake the Worldlys in sideboard for Fragmentize I may also consider changing my Declaration in Stones for Stasis Snare. The sorcery speed of dec in stone bit me in the ass multiple times because of vehicles and Ormendahl. Also possible that I should put the skysov back in the deck as a tutor target for lancers.
As often as Odric is THE reason for the win, it may make sense to switch out the weenies for keyword creatures. Like say the mechanics/captains/bygone/inspectors all being switched out for things like Aerial Responder/Ayli/sacred cat/vampire cutthroat/lone rider/gifted aetherborn/solemn recruit/drana.
Yep. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/odrics-monument/
Will do a couple leagues tomorrow as long as my internet doesn't get sketchy again.
4-1 http://imgur.com/a/xmfr4
I had notes but my internet crapped out on me during 4th round. I restarted my computer trying to fix it and didn't save the file.
Match 1 BG counters/eldrazi/energy?. 2-0. Dude is playing with eldrazi. TKS and crew can't hold up to monument tokens. Eventually odric shows up giving dudes haste/indestruct. http://imgur.com/a/BL275
Match 2. BG counters. 2-1. Some back and forth here. Last game opponent scoops to lancers tutoring Odric with Oketra and flying on the table. http://imgur.com/a/Exi2P
Match 3. Mono black zombies. 2-1. Game 1 came down to gisela + odric giving all my dudes flying and lifelink. Was a really close match. He would have won game 3 but he was playing really slow and timed out a couple swings from the win. I was winning game 3 pretty handedly but skysov turn 5 pretty much mopped up....but then op timed out. http://imgur.com/a/KyQOZ
Match 4. BG counters. Won game 1 with the nuts. http://imgur.com/a/dA1uj Then my internet acted funky and I couldn't connect to modo or twitch, but youtube/etc was fine. By the time I got back I had received a match loss.
Match 5. Mono red midrange. Game 1 went to chandra + glorybringer. Game 2 and 3 was all about Wall of Resurgence + Cascading Cataracts including opponent aiming removal at cataracts game 2. http://imgur.com/a/mn9mW Game 3 opponent couldn't handle Oketra + Wall of Resurgence.
3-2
First round BG counters 2-0. Opponent couldn't handle multiple awakened cataracts. Ballista couldn't stop the oketra + cataract beats/blocks. He even tried to kill the first one with fatal push. Dusk/dawn blew him out game 2, killing snek + gearhulk and forcing him to burn counters off of ballista. http://i.imgur.com/VzTiwGf.png
Second round BG counters 1-2. Even though this opponent ALSO cast fatal push on cataracts, tireless tracker + snek + multiple gearhulks spelled my doom. Game three he played 3x snek into double ballista and I got rekt. The first loss dusk/dawn would have saved me but never drew it, last game wouldn't have mattered.
Third round New Perspectives 0-2. I had no disruption for his combo game 1 and he cycled into the win. Game 2 I got him to 4 life but a few fogs later into new perspectives and he cycled into the win. I guess maybe I need Gideon's Intervention in my sideboard or something, all I had to bring in was a pair of cast out and 3x fragmentize...which I just switched over to forsake the worldly. Completely unwinnable game 1 unless I drew the nuts and he tapped out.
Fourth round BW tokens 2-0. Odric made the team fly over his tokens, double striking for the win both games. Game 2 was sort of close because of yahenni but eventually a hasty odric ended the game. Brisela featured in one of the games.
Fifth round grixis graveyard 2-1. Game 1 he got mana screwed for a bit but hung on with elder deep fiends and recursion, brisela ended game 1. Game 2 elder deep fiend + fliers finished me off. Game 3 oketra was an all-star, ignoring removal and sweepers, double striking in for the win.
Would you rather have a standard with infinite combos and turn 4 ulamogs?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/odrics-monument/ there's what i'm on
So coffers + urborg. Or stage + dark depths. Or two urza lands.