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  • posted a message on [C19] Mire of Misery -oh lets just say maro said they are starting to give black these types of cards
    I get the idea of the colour pie but certain things should be possible in any colour just for fairness sake. It sucks hard to play a monno black deck and someone plays an enchantment (edh/standard/modern/whatever) and you're like well I have 0 outs to this.

    That being said there's a good chance your opponent either has a crap enchantment if you want to remove a creature or a crap creature if you want to remove an enchantment so this will rarely actually remove what you want but it's still a 2 mana mass edict that doesn't hurt you.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Primal genesis deck list
    Anointed procession is already $13 and given it's a staple going to keep creeping up and up so wizards would rather let it get to $20+ then cash in the equity on a premium set than just crush the value on a commander printing already.

    Anyway when I heard of the themes for the decks I was least excited for this by a long way but it seems like they did a better job with this than the first two.
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  • posted a message on {C19} Mystic intelect full deck list + command zone preview card - Elsha of the Infinite
    Bit of a let down in reprints again. Now we've seen 2 of the 4 decks it pretty much guarantees we aren't getting the spicy cards that were implied with "we hear you about C18 but C19 will be better"

    That being said Elsha is going straight in my spellslinger deck, getting artifacts and enchantments too is sweet upside.
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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from SpeedGrapher »
    You're getting more than the purchase price if you're a new player. Short of new cards there isn't anything I want in the deck. It's not for me, it's not for you. They just printed a masters set a few months ago. The core set was very lacking in reprints. It's whatever though. They haven't changed their formula. People are still going to buy these decks. If anything it seems like they included a lot more rares. Even rare dual lands.


    The core set was lacking in reprints... what?

    We got leyline of the void, sanctity and anticipation that were all $20+ cards and see plenty of play. Grafdiggers cage was $8 and is a staple in older formats. Steel overseer was $16 and sees play in multiple formats. Lotus field is a functional reprint of lotus vale and there were several other cards that were made even cheaper like the temples and rule of law. If you wanted a playset of leyline of the void and sanctity along with 1 anticipation for commander 4 months ago you'd pay $320, now it's 'just' $92. A $228 price cut seems more than reasonable for reprint value.
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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Well if you cut out every card under $1 for the reprints the deck value is still $83. Even if we assume cards lose 50% of their value once they flood the market you'll still get at least $40 back in reprints and who knows what value the 17 new cards will hold so it's not horrible. That being said if the other 3 decks are similar it will certainly be underwhelming. I do understand it's hard for wizards to reprint some cards. Plenty of the in demand cards are $20+ and it's obviously going to be hard to put 1 expensive card per deck since it puts a ton of value that they don't need to include. At the same time just putting 1 high value card in 1 deck skews the values so that that deck will sell far better than the rest.
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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    All things considered I'd say this ends up as a win for modern. I'm still shocked at some of the cards on the ban list considering what is legal but I'm glad they did what they could to not disrupt other decks and also keep the Hogaak deck as a competitive option.

    I am starting to get worried about WU control though. With bridge gone and the Hogaak deck slowing down in general sweepers will become far more effective. On top of that with the 4 field of ruin 2 surgical package tron is a far less scary matchup than it used to be so if people reckon tron will be back that's pretty grim.

    It's not like there's any 1 card in WU that is too strong it's just that in the last 2 years the deck has got access to field of ruin, opt, big teferi, little teferi, narset, jace, force of negation, dovin's veto and other less played options like fof and search for azcanta. That is a ton of tools that have really pushed the deck to the top.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Commander July 8th Banlist Update
    So Paradox engine from $41 to what, $10? I'd say less but I would imagine if people bought in at $40 they'd rather keep it than sell for just a few bucks. Either way, funny how as usual the price of a card started to drop and then it gets the ol ban. Read people speculating it was getting a ban due to this a few days ago.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Quote from Aazadan »
    Quote from ktkenshinx »

    I literally acknowledged GGT as a ban with minimal GP data, I.e. the battle of sideboards reference you are making, in the post I assume you are responding to. So I don't know why you are framing this as a no GP result = no ban scenario. As I posted on this same page and will repost now, GGT was banned with very few GP results, likely based off MTGO data. Hogaak could be the same case regardless of how the GP plays out. I know you are exceedingly skeptical of Wizards and routinely negative towards Modern over a good chunk of the last 3 years, but that doesn't mean you need to indict Wizards' handling of the current situation. At least, not until after the 8th.


    They knew what was going to happen with Eldrazi Winter but that PT still happened.

    What do you think the chances are that Wizards leaves Hogaak in with the express purpose of making it the level 0 deck at the Pro Tour, and seeing if the PT can define a new metagame first?

    The Eldrazi Winter timeline was a little different. The deck was largely off the radar until the PT. Then it broke out big at the PT, but Wizards didn't act immediately. There was significant cause for concern for a month or so, and then a triple GP weekend where Eldrazi ran absolutely rampant. Eye died at the next ban update, and there was no scheduled ban update between the PT and the GP weekend.

    With Hogaak, we actually have a B&R update scheduled before the PT, which gives Wizards an opportunity to act. I think this is largely dependent on the results this weekend. If it's a Hogaak fest, we'll probably see a ban based on GP and MTGO performance. If Hogaak falls flat on Day 2 and into the T32/16/8, or just matches performance with other top decks like Izzet Phoenix, Humans, and others, Wizards will probably wait until after the PT. I'm unwilling to make a final prediction until we have the results from this weekend.


    While I agree I still think it is too broken in its current state given the ability to straight up win on turn 2. It's like an 80%+ game one deck vs the regular field and even postboard it's probably still in reasonable shape even vs someone with 4 leylines.

    I've never been one for bannings, I've always liked the idea of modern being left alone unless absolutely necessary. While I agreed that ancient stirrings was very powerful I was never onboard with ban stirrings when it was the dominate card a while ago fueling KCI, Tron etc. Likewise when Pheonix burst on the scene and people starting going crazy over looting I was again against the idea of banning it (also just to note I didn't play a stirrings deck or a looting deck so I didn't have a vested interest).

    I do not want wizards to ban multiple cards and kill the deck. It's so completely different to dredge that I consider it an entirely different style of deck so I'm more than fine with multiple graveyard based decks existing. It does need taking down in power though. Banning Altar and seeing how the deck does would be my preferred choice. With Altar gone the deck would be a lot slower to fill the graveyard and would lose the ability to straight up win on turn 2. I have to imagine that Hogaak and Carrion feeder alone are enough of an addition to the deck that it would still be a solid T1 choice.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Yes I did, more than I do now actually.

    I've always been a fan of blue decks and at the time of the delve spell era I was on UWR control and I felt like I had a solid matchup with all the removal and 4 surpreme verdicts. I didn't have to dedicate 6 + slots to try to beat it.

    As for Eldrazi it was obviously broken as hell but you had outs. It was like ok if I don't draw my sweeper I'm dead. Now it's like oh you've got an altar out and I have 7 cards in hand but none of them do anything, looks like I just lose on the spot on turn 2. For Eldrazi to turn 2 you they needed a seriously nutty hand like eye, triple mimic into temple SSG smasher. That's a 7 card 'combo' which you could also stop with just a discard spell or a removal spell or a counter or a blocker.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    I have been enjoying modern less than ever before. Even Eldrazi winter and treasure cruise delver was less oppressive.

    My leagues this evening:

    0-4 drop (lost to original affinity, urza combo and 2 hogaak decks)
    3-2 (beat hogaak twice and UR delver once and lost to hogaak and amulet titan)

    For reference I'm on a temur snow deck and have 1 surgical 1 relic main and another of each in the board. After this league I will be going up to the full 4 relics though I still don't expect that to be enough.

    It's a small sample sure but in 2 leagues I used to play almost every deck differently maybe some repeats of like humans or phoenix, now I'm running into 2 or 3 hogaak's in just ONE league. It's madness. It's fast, consistent, resilient and heavily played. If nothing gets removed from the deck I'll be selling out of modern for sure. I'm fine with the deck existing but not on the level that it is. Either Altar or Hogaak itself need to go.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Grafdigger's Cage Reprint (Impulso Geek Preview)
    Quote from Marquisd »
    Creature cards in graveyards and libraries can't enter the battlefield.
    Players can't cast spells from graveyards or libraries.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf8dONOqdw8



    For the life of me I can't think why standard needs this card right now.

    ETA oh wait Experimental Frenzy and Bolas’ Citadel get burned with this too


    Well there's also phoenix of course that was an actual legit deck then finale of devastation and neoform are combo enablers too.
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  • posted a message on Colossus Hammer
    Wonder if this has potential in modern. You've got steelshapers gift to give yourself 8 copies but getting the Sigarda's Aid will be harder.
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  • posted a message on Sephara, Sky’s Blade - TCC spoiler
    Wizards just doesn't seem to learn that cost reduction is as broken as fast mana.

    Turn 1 mana dork, turn 2 lingering souls, turn 3 flashback lingering souls cast this bam 7/7 flying lifelinker and your lingering souls are indestructible roadblocks.
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  • posted a message on Lotus Field - Weekly MTG
    Quote from Boreez »
    Can anyone explain why this is not one of the worst cards in this set?

    Maybe it's because I'm a Standard player, but I can't think of a single deck that would ever want this. You can't play it on turn 1 or 2. If you play it on turn 3, you forfeit that turn.

    If you're a 1- or 2-color deck, you don't need fixing like this. And if you're a many-colored deck, you'd much rather have the two dual-lands you just sacrificed than a land that can only produce one color of mana at a time.

    What am I missing here?


    Why do you forfeit the turn if you play it on turn 3? You still get to use the 2 mana before you sac the other lands. Then on turn 4 you play kiora and untap the lotus, play another land which lets you play 7 mana of spells on turn 4. Or if you play another lotus that's 6 mana of spells on turn 4 and 10 mana on turn 5... A Krasis for 8 on turn 5 seems pretty good to me Grin
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  • posted a message on Lotus Field - Weekly MTG
    Wow this is powerful. Being able to avoid the blowout of field of ruin, ghost quarter etc etc is huge.

    This is surprisingly close to a strictly better lotus vale. Sure it enters tapped but at the same time the 2 lands you sac don't have to be tapped and of course the hexproof part is huge. Does seem like it's just a better option.
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