Rules says:
If a card loses the changeling ability, it will still have all creature types. It just won't have changeling.
I dont understand that interaction. Its the changeling ability that gives all creature types, right ? else its a shapeshifter. so why does loosing the changeling ability not result in losing all creature types ?
passive: like you, a 7/7 creature, but with "prevent all damage that would be dealt to" (cause we already have our 5 mana sliver that gives indistructable)
+1 create a 1/1 sliver creature token
-3 look at the top 4 cards of your library, you may reveal up to two sliver creature cards and put them into your hand
-9 for each nonlegendary non-token sliver create a token, thats a copy of that creature
i wonder if this will really see play, we already got reanimator decks and they tend to end the game (Griselbrand)
not sure if a cmc3 reanimator will really do it. the mentioned mentor and renegade rallier sure are nice cards to play with. or even spell queller with teferi. but is it really enough to make us want to play unearth in the decks that play these cards?
wow... future sight... the 10 cent rare we needed in modern... hurray, now i am happy to pay twice the price for a booster and will be more than happy to open this card... thank you wizards
endling is ok, its nice that it is a zombie in addition to being a shapeshifter, i think that makes him really good (if not for modern, than in other formats... cause this set seems to be more a casual set than a modern set). i think its the 2nd best of the cycle
thoes of chaos is actually very interisting if ur deck has alot of >cmc3 spells u really want to find and retrace helps u to get lands in ur graveyard, since we get more and more cards in this set, that care about this
hmm, there is like 1 ability that is worth 2 mana and 3 abilities worth 1 mana (especially in a 1v1, and this set was supposed to be for modern, and not commander). so i dont think entwine makes this card good... feels more like it is unecessary. to me this is a penny rare
anyone else feeling that the name is kind of not giving enough respect to mother of runes ? why "giver" ? i think aunt, dought, sister, ... even grandmother of runes would have given much more tribute to mother of runes. i mean they basically copy so many cards and change them by a tiny bit, so i think i they should given more credit to good old mother ^^
is it worth to run sorin ?
i see lists with even 2 sorins and i am not sure if its worth to run him, especially when they have no hostage taker and just hero, thief and guardmage and/or basillika.
if u reanimate a hero or thief it basically does nothn. if it is basillika or guardmage u can have some value, but is it worth to run sorin just for that ? cause the 1 damage doesnt seem to be worth spending 4 mana
does it have potential for draw-go decks ?
i mean its a cantrip with a body that could be used as a removal, just dont know if there is any deck, that wants this 1/1 body ?
i say there are just pseudo new cards
seems like we just altered or "modernized" versions of old cards
i mean the new hermit is basically not that new, they just replaced the echo by vanishing... wow, i am deeply exited by all this creativity.
the hardcast is reasonable, but the noncreature part makes it worse than Negate cause of 1 mana more cmc...so meh.
do i play this one and have the opportunity to trade 2 for 1 for free or do i play negate or spellpierce and keep the mana open to trade 1 for 1?
without the "not your turn" clause i guess i would play this, but like this.
the theme for this set seems to be:
lets take a look at all those old cards that are played in legacy and make the same cards for mordern but worse. so modern is supposed to be a worse legacy ? (cause it seems they want to push these cards into modern but prevent them from possibly being played in legacy... cause "modern" horizons)
we have a worse cabal therapy and now a worse force of will & and a-semi deranged hermit (not sure whats better or worse, the vanishing or the echo, guess mostly the echo, but depends on the deck i guess)
meh, this is a disappointing start and it doesnt make me look forward to other spoilers
right now it feels like: "we didnt know what we could sell you, so we decided to go for full art snow covered lands and added ... something. oh and btw its 6€ a pack"
so today i played the deck above and it was suprisingly fun. i actually wanted to play bant midrange, but i didnt have all cards together, so i played this one.
was my first standard since war of the spark and i usually play GBx midrange, so i was curios. i tested a few cards like dovin or depose//deploy and they were actually good cards, especially depose//deploy.
unfortunatly i never drew sorin, so i cant tell yet, if he is good or not.
i played vs
izzet drakes (2-0)
easy games, he was just overrun by human tokens in 5 minutes
white wheenie (2-1)
lost the 1st game and had two hard but fun games. i felt a little like i had to many lucky topdecks
mono red (2-1)
same as white wheenie. lost the 1st game and then i felt like i had just more luck
grixis (0-2)
here i felt like i had no chance. 8 bolas, ugin, lili and tons of removal. it totally felt like the anti deck and this is the reason why i started this thread.
answers i had he could discard (like an The Elderspell from the sideboard, some cards game 1 were just useless, like tyrants scorn.
can anyone with more experience tell me whats good vs this deck. i dont feel like Sorcerous Spyglass will do it, since they have artefact removal. maybe Ixalan's Binding ?
Any other ideas that make the main deck more generalistic good and helps vs grixis ?
are u sure its a buy a box promo ?
in our store we dont get the promos in a plastic bag. this is only true for prerelease promos. i know this one doesnt have like the astral thing, but that they use a reprint as a box promos makes me really wonder
there wont be fetchlands or shocklands if i remember right. its 50 reprints of non modern legal cards, so since they are already legal, you wont see them there. the question is, will the set have enough cards for current or probably new arch types to make it relevant, in that case the set might sell pretty well.
from a business point of view i can understand wizards, why they charge more for the "kind of same" product when people are not even hesitating to buy it. if your customer is a monkey, give them bananas and there are happy.
from a moral point of view ofc, i dont like this strategy and this makes me as a customer thinking about quitting the game, but guess that makes me a customer they dont want anyways. but if that is healthy for the community in a long run? only future will tell.
considering the power play they did with war of the sparks, i think we can pretty much expect the same for modern horizons. so i guess the set will sell well. modern became more and more a premium format anyways.
why does it not lose all creature types ?
Rules says:
If a card loses the changeling ability, it will still have all creature types. It just won't have changeling.
I dont understand that interaction. Its the changeling ability that gives all creature types, right ? else its a shapeshifter. so why does loosing the changeling ability not result in losing all creature types ?
passive: like you, a 7/7 creature, but with "prevent all damage that would be dealt to" (cause we already have our 5 mana sliver that gives indistructable)
+1 create a 1/1 sliver creature token
-3 look at the top 4 cards of your library, you may reveal up to two sliver creature cards and put them into your hand
-9 for each nonlegendary non-token sliver create a token, thats a copy of that creature
not sure if a cmc3 reanimator will really do it. the mentioned mentor and renegade rallier sure are nice cards to play with. or even spell queller with teferi. but is it really enough to make us want to play unearth in the decks that play these cards?
endling is ok, its nice that it is a zombie in addition to being a shapeshifter, i think that makes him really good (if not for modern, than in other formats... cause this set seems to be more a casual set than a modern set). i think its the 2nd best of the cycle
thoes of chaos is actually very interisting if ur deck has alot of >cmc3 spells u really want to find and retrace helps u to get lands in ur graveyard, since we get more and more cards in this set, that care about this
i see lists with even 2 sorins and i am not sure if its worth to run him, especially when they have no hostage taker and just hero, thief and guardmage and/or basillika.
if u reanimate a hero or thief it basically does nothn. if it is basillika or guardmage u can have some value, but is it worth to run sorin just for that ? cause the 1 damage doesnt seem to be worth spending 4 mana
i mean its a cantrip with a body that could be used as a removal, just dont know if there is any deck, that wants this 1/1 body ?
seems like we just altered or "modernized" versions of old cards
i mean the new hermit is basically not that new, they just replaced the echo by vanishing... wow, i am deeply exited by all this creativity.
do i play this one and have the opportunity to trade 2 for 1 for free or do i play negate or spellpierce and keep the mana open to trade 1 for 1?
without the "not your turn" clause i guess i would play this, but like this.
the theme for this set seems to be:
lets take a look at all those old cards that are played in legacy and make the same cards for mordern but worse. so modern is supposed to be a worse legacy ? (cause it seems they want to push these cards into modern but prevent them from possibly being played in legacy... cause "modern" horizons)
we have a worse cabal therapy and now a worse force of will & and a-semi deranged hermit (not sure whats better or worse, the vanishing or the echo, guess mostly the echo, but depends on the deck i guess)
right now it feels like: "we didnt know what we could sell you, so we decided to go for full art snow covered lands and added ... something. oh and btw its 6€ a pack"
3x Thief of Sanity
2x Elite Guardmage
2x Hostage Taker
1x Deputy of Detention
1x Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord
3x Teferi, Time Raveler
2x Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
1x Dovin, Grand Arbiter
1x Liliana, Dreadhorde General
2x Dovin's Veto
1x Despark
2x Tyrant's Scorn
3x Mortify
2x Enter the God-Eternals
4x Thought Erasure
1x Depose // Deploy
so today i played the deck above and it was suprisingly fun. i actually wanted to play bant midrange, but i didnt have all cards together, so i played this one.
was my first standard since war of the spark and i usually play GBx midrange, so i was curios. i tested a few cards like dovin or depose//deploy and they were actually good cards, especially depose//deploy.
unfortunatly i never drew sorin, so i cant tell yet, if he is good or not.
i played vs
izzet drakes (2-0)
easy games, he was just overrun by human tokens in 5 minutes
white wheenie (2-1)
lost the 1st game and had two hard but fun games. i felt a little like i had to many lucky topdecks
mono red (2-1)
same as white wheenie. lost the 1st game and then i felt like i had just more luck
grixis (0-2)
here i felt like i had no chance. 8 bolas, ugin, lili and tons of removal. it totally felt like the anti deck and this is the reason why i started this thread.
answers i had he could discard (like an The Elderspell from the sideboard, some cards game 1 were just useless, like tyrants scorn.
can anyone with more experience tell me whats good vs this deck. i dont feel like Sorcerous Spyglass will do it, since they have artefact removal. maybe Ixalan's Binding ?
Any other ideas that make the main deck more generalistic good and helps vs grixis ?
in our store we dont get the promos in a plastic bag. this is only true for prerelease promos. i know this one doesnt have like the astral thing, but that they use a reprint as a box promos makes me really wonder
from a business point of view i can understand wizards, why they charge more for the "kind of same" product when people are not even hesitating to buy it. if your customer is a monkey, give them bananas and there are happy.
from a moral point of view ofc, i dont like this strategy and this makes me as a customer thinking about quitting the game, but guess that makes me a customer they dont want anyways. but if that is healthy for the community in a long run? only future will tell.
considering the power play they did with war of the sparks, i think we can pretty much expect the same for modern horizons. so i guess the set will sell well. modern became more and more a premium format anyways.