Firstly, unvote. Now then, I reread, and most of my focus went onto BigTime. I want to present the case on BT now, and give my thoughts on the rest of the game tomorrow night or Friday night. Now then, let's see why BT is scum.
Myrf: The statements he made we extremely stupid. Looking back, I don't think Myrf is a stupid player. He seems fairly intelligent. I have to forgive his statement. I stand by my point that scum lynching is number one on our lynch. I don't think Myrf was trying to say we shouldn't lynch scum. He was just saying we need to be smart about lynching scum. Comment misinterpreted on my part. UNVOTE.
No, you were right. I'm just stupid. Thanks to the people setting me straight. My brain distorted what little mafia theory I knew, and I started spewing stupid. Now then, I say we hunt scum.
This post still rubs me the wrong way, because he jumps RIGHT off my wagon as soon as the wind shifts.
I do agree that Netfinity seems scummy, but he has had only one post besides his few at the beginning. FoS Netfinity with intention to vote. I want to hear more from him besides just his little comments here and there.
This post, while it certinely doesn't answer many questions, doesn't rub me as scum. He doesn't really defend himself at all, but he does attack his attackers. I expected his first post back to be more defensive and explanitory. He does explain why he's gone, and he does blame the wagon on iLord and AKid. I think iLord is more likely to be scum than AKid, but they could easily be both.
And you don't find that scummy? You're basically saying, "Oh, he made a scummy defence, but whatever.
This post just doesn't say enough to warrant an unvote though. I still think there is a good chance Net is scummy. The only thing that makes me unsure is his casual way of responding. In a noob game, it's an easy to believe that most players, alignment regardless, will prolly OMGUS at a train on them. The lack of OMGUS surprises me.
Net is a little too calm in response, but his defense is poor. One thing is for sure though: if Net comes up town, iLord is scum. Maybe even AK.
...He attacks his attackers, as you state in THAT SAME POST, and you don't call it OMGUS? Also, If Net is town, neither iLord nor AK are confirmed scum, or should even necessarily be implicated as scum. Nor should the reverse be true. As has been brought up earlier, scum attack scum, townies attack townies, and not everything is as perfect as it looks.
1. He's attacking them, but it's not an overreaction. It's more like a brief overview of the situation. There is no sense of urgency that can bee seen in an over the top OMGUS post. It rubs me as town because he really doesn't seem concerned with his own defense, and he is only hitting the tip of the iceberg on those he is attacking. This makes me think he is either town and he knows it and isn't worried, or he is poor scum. I'll touch this later.
...So, uh, he tries to deflect the attention onto his attackers instead of defending himself, and you call it town (I could question that conclusion, but I won't, because it doesn't matter for my case) and yet you still don't unvote?!
Then again, my entire case is based on BT saying one thing, doing another, and hoping no one notices that he's a hypocrite, so I suppose it's all good.
2. Reasons why iLord is more scum than AKid? Ok, well first I should clarify that AKid does seem scummy. iLord is more likely because of his contradictory statements. You can see that case in one of the posts above. AKid has been less scummy IMO, but I will do a reread on his case.
I've still yet to see a good argument on AKid except for "He's too agressive! Wah!", so I dunno what to make of the case on hijm, but it feels like BT doesn't care. He's just trying to cover his back in case the wind shifts.
3. Looking at Net's posts, like I said earlier, he is either Townie and knows it, thus explaining his non-chalant response, or his is just poor scum. It strikes me as much more likely that he is poor scum, but I could be wrong.
You should know that even though this post doesn't rub me as scummy, it doesn't mean that I don't think Net is scum. His post isn't scum, but he easily could be.
Once again, it feels like he's trying to cover his bets. He's hoping that he can spread broad suspicion and townieness and then be able to say "See! I told you so!" whenever someone dies.
4. He really didn't come out with guns a blazing. He ignored me almost completly, except for an explaination for why he was gone. He makes short statements about a few players, throws out an FoS, throw out a vote, but makes very little actual analysis.
Granted, he did attack people. He did it poorly, but he still did it. Attacking other players /= OMGUS. OMGUS = OMGUS. He clearly wasen't overreacting, which I completly expected. Threw me off.
Vague statement of the year award? Define OMGUS please? And I love how you're still trying to half-defend, half attack Net.
5. Maybe so, but with the suspicion already on AK and iLord, plus their already scummy actions, it is highly likely that one of them is scum. Besides, it would be extremely silly for AKid and iLord to try and bus Net this far in. Assuming that they are scum, I am the only other one on the train besides them. Net is at what, -5, -6? I think it's a little early to throw a fellow Scum under the bus.
I'm not saying that iLord is definitly scum, but seriously, if Net comes up town, iLord becomes a serious suspect. Same for AK.
So, uh, what? You're saying Net is not scum because iLord is? Or you're saying you're leaning neutral on Net and scum on iLord, but you didn't unvote and vote for him for some reason? Oh wait, that's right, you're just spouting WIFOM.
And that last statement is utter bull. Like I said, things are not always perfect. Pretty much ever combination of people lynches every combination of people.
Goat, did you read my analysis? I forgave his lurking because he answered, and I consider that a non issue.
Also, my entire last point was that Net's post was entirely NOT OMGUS. Seriously. I found nothing OMGUS about it.
And as far as the analysis on your first point, Goat, you are right. The case really makes no sense. It has just been dragged on from the random stage.
Unvote
Also, Goat, before you go pointing the finger at me, check to see what my origional stances on the issues are.
So, the case dies, and you quickly get off and claim it never happened. This is totally good townie play mirite?
Also, please post your description of OMGUS. I think it'll be quite interesting.
I think this post is another good example of iLord trying to spread as many FoS'es and as much suspicion as he can to get votes off his back. iLord has seriously attacked 6-7 people already, many for baseless and silly arguments. Of those people there are:
BigTime
Goat
EER
Netfinity
JodoYodo
AKid
and Myrf I think.
Because you totally don't do this. Not at all. Oh, wait, you don't do EXACTLY what iLord does. iLord at least tries to make original wagons.
There is not going to be seven or more mafia in this game, so why does iLord find it ok to attack that many people? I thought your case against Net was solid enough to stand without distractions. Why do you keep distracting your own train!?
And as far as the analysis on your first point, Goat, you are right. The case really makes no sense. It has just been dragged on from the random stage.
Unvote
Also, Goat, before you go pointing the finger at me, check to see what my origional stances on the issues are.
I think I can answer this question for you: Because your caught scum. Your train is failing, and you need to seem loyal to it, while at the same time try and distract the masses as your get off of it yourself. Scum.
Also, even though I have been on three trains today, it doesn't make me scummy. I was one of the first people to jump on Myrf, but he shut up and started acting semi normal, so I got off. I joined the Net train, because the arguments were convincing and he was not defending himself at all. Goat began to throw some defense in, and he also pointed out how baseless the attack was, thus that train was then silly. Note that I am trying to start the train on you, because you are playing blatently scummy. I really don't think you can make yourself look better, much as Mryf did, and I also don't think this case is very baseless, like Net's was. You have been the scummiest so far.
I DISSAPEARED before you unvoted me. I'm kind of hurt if you can call that an improvement in my play.
And then you jumped on Net. You stuck around on him long enough to hedge your bets on him, but when it became clear that the wagon was dying, you jumped off. And then jumped to iLord/AK (voting iLord, but making it clear that AK was an ok target with you, too) to try and get another fast lynch.
Also, I would be willing to switch to an AK vote, as he is number two on my list. I stongly urge everyone else to look at the contradictions, baseless accusations, and mass distraction tactics that iLord has been using.
BTW, I think I should have a vote for iLord in there.
AK and iLord were the two popular wagon targets. You jumped to them as soon as they became so. You're totally not bandwagoning scum, no siree :rolleyes:.
You should find most of the reasons I find you scummy in there, although that's not the only part of the case I have against you. Goat has also pointed out some contradictions in your posts. Trust me, if you ignore an argument, it doesn't go away.
I need to review iLord too. This is a reminder for me.
Which brings me to the fencesitting I supposedly am doing. The first post you brought up is one where I am suspicious of both AKid and you as scum. The only fence I'm sitting on is which one of you two is more scummy. I'm not saying that you are not scummy, just that I see you as more scummy than AKid. There are reasons for me to believe that you are both scum, which is more likely looking back at the situation, and reasons for me to believe it's just you. But ignore that now, because I fully believe that both you and AK are scummy.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with taking the two popular lynch targets and saying, "Oh dear, I can't seem to decide!" Nothing wrong at all :rolleyes:.
Like I said though, I believe the case against Net was weak, and thus it was dropped. Also, I believe that Myrf's play was solid, and thus he seemed less likely to be scum.
iLord, however, has been playing weakly and has a solid case against him. My vote Stands. iLord is scum.
I had not said anything of relevance since BEFORE you unvoted me. You then dropped the case on me as soon as no one was supporting it. Also, why were you so sure of the Net case then, and then, all of a sudden, you think iLord is scummy for posting it.
No. If you haven't paid attention to the last bunch of posts I have been making then of course you wouldn't know, but here it is loud and clear:
I find Net to be Town. Lynch me if he comes up Scum!
That aside, he is not completly off my radar, but looking back at the case against him, it was completly baseless.
Pretty impressive 180. You've completely turned against the case, surprise surprise, at the same time other people have. How come you haven't been wagoned yet?
I was on the case when I believed there to be a case. After rereading and looking over Goat's points, I realized there is no case, and you and AKid jumped on him over absolutly nothing. You keep not defending that point as well. Your case was BASELESS! That makes it a scummy case, which makes you scum.
Yeah, I'm sorry you played along with a case without thinking about it, and then tried to claim you didn't like the case in the first place. That being said, you're still scum.
BTW, Myrf's play has decreased significantly since he made those statements, although that may be due to the fact that he said he was sick or something. Also, I don't blame him for attacking you; you are clearly scummy. But I'll let Myrf handle himself.
Sick, and busy. Tuesdays and Fridays (and Wednesdays, to some extent) are my hell days, just so everyone knows.
I noticed that. You have tried to defend against every argument you needed to, but what's worse, you have defended against arguments that were a non-issue for you, and you have tried to point your finger at several people now, and most of those people have nothing to be blamed for.
If this were a real life situation, it would be everyone in a circle, with iLord in the middle, pointing at everyone and shouting 'It's you, and you, and you, and YOU!' You have been OMGUSing at almost anything anyone says, as if whatever they say condemns them. Whatever you say, scum.
Scummy. iLord. Period.
Much as I hate it, iLord uses FoSes to say "I think that action was scummy", rather than "I think you're scum, but not enough to stop what I'm doing and kill you". Which kind of makes your argument a bit moot.
Thus, mostly I point to this: He has an absolutley abyssmal voting record, he seems to play the sheep a LOT, and, as soon as he gets called on the Net case, he jumps and says, "Well, I dunno about you guys, but I was against it from the start! Let's kill iLord for making such a terrible case!" He also seems to be willfully vague and always wanting to be on the latest bandwagons. I think that's enough to warrent a vote BigTime, don't you?
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1st dumb thing said the thread award. Hunting scum is and always should be top priority. Getting information is part of that; if information is not directly related to finding scum, you don't need to know it.
I'd call this scummy but I can't imagine scum actually saying, "Hey, how about not looking for scum today?"
Unvote.
Myrf jumping on ManBearPig over absolutely nothing, however, is rather scummy.
Vote: Myrf
Firstly, finding scum ISN'T our top priority today. Believe you me, I'd love to hit scum today, but honestly, hitting scum today is not and should not be our top priority today...
...And I just realized I used "hunting scum" instead of "hitting scum" earlier. God, do I feel stupid now. Lemme rephrase this:
I do not believe that finding and lynching scum is our top priority today. If we can, great. If we can't, we have info to find and lynch scum later in the game. We run the scummiest few players up to claim, and lynch the scummiest one at the end of the day. Nowhere did I INTEND to not suggest we do that, and it was mostly me being an idiot and using the wrong word that made people think I was against attacking scummy people.
As for my vote on MBP, he was pretty blatantly trying to be on the AK wagon without actually putting himself behind the wagon. I think that was scummy enough to warrent a vote.
Are you trying to suggest that I should drop my case on AK because while I'm trying to find scum, he's merely providing information? Plus, my case on him basically boils down to the fact that I think he's attacking actions that aren't scummy.
No, I'm not. I'm merely stating that I don't find AK scummy, and I think I slightly misinterpretated your comments about scumhunting to mean you were FOCUSED on trying to find scum, rather than just get information. I think that while AK seems a little jumpy, he doesn't seem jumpy enough to make it a bad thing, and since I haven't played mafia recently, I don't know his playstyle well enough to consider if he's acting differently from that.
Does that make sense? When I typed it out, it seemed a tad weird to me, so if you have any questions, I'll clarify.
No, you were right. I'm just stupid. Thanks to the people setting me straight. My brain distorted what little mafia theory I knew, and I started spewing stupid. Now then, I say we hunt scum.
This post still rubs me the wrong way, because he jumps RIGHT off my wagon as soon as the wind shifts.
This one'll be important later. Wait for it.
And you don't find that scummy? You're basically saying, "Oh, he made a scummy defence, but whatever.
...He attacks his attackers, as you state in THAT SAME POST, and you don't call it OMGUS? Also, If Net is town, neither iLord nor AK are confirmed scum, or should even necessarily be implicated as scum. Nor should the reverse be true. As has been brought up earlier, scum attack scum, townies attack townies, and not everything is as perfect as it looks.
...So, uh, he tries to deflect the attention onto his attackers instead of defending himself, and you call it town (I could question that conclusion, but I won't, because it doesn't matter for my case) and yet you still don't unvote?!
Then again, my entire case is based on BT saying one thing, doing another, and hoping no one notices that he's a hypocrite, so I suppose it's all good.
I've still yet to see a good argument on AKid except for "He's too agressive! Wah!", so I dunno what to make of the case on hijm, but it feels like BT doesn't care. He's just trying to cover his back in case the wind shifts.
Once again, it feels like he's trying to cover his bets. He's hoping that he can spread broad suspicion and townieness and then be able to say "See! I told you so!" whenever someone dies.
Vague statement of the year award? Define OMGUS please? And I love how you're still trying to half-defend, half attack Net.
So, uh, what? You're saying Net is not scum because iLord is? Or you're saying you're leaning neutral on Net and scum on iLord, but you didn't unvote and vote for him for some reason? Oh wait, that's right, you're just spouting WIFOM.
And that last statement is utter bull. Like I said, things are not always perfect. Pretty much ever combination of people lynches every combination of people.
So, the case dies, and you quickly get off and claim it never happened. This is totally good townie play mirite?
Also, please post your description of OMGUS. I think it'll be quite interesting.
Because you totally don't do this. Not at all. Oh, wait, you don't do EXACTLY what iLord does. iLord at least tries to make original wagons.
Nice 180 there.
I DISSAPEARED before you unvoted me. I'm kind of hurt if you can call that an improvement in my play.
And then you jumped on Net. You stuck around on him long enough to hedge your bets on him, but when it became clear that the wagon was dying, you jumped off. And then jumped to iLord/AK (voting iLord, but making it clear that AK was an ok target with you, too) to try and get another fast lynch.
AK and iLord were the two popular wagon targets. You jumped to them as soon as they became so. You're totally not bandwagoning scum, no siree :rolleyes:.
I need to review iLord too. This is a reminder for me.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with taking the two popular lynch targets and saying, "Oh dear, I can't seem to decide!" Nothing wrong at all :rolleyes:.
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Wow. Just wow. Ride that fence, boy!
I had not said anything of relevance since BEFORE you unvoted me. You then dropped the case on me as soon as no one was supporting it. Also, why were you so sure of the Net case then, and then, all of a sudden, you think iLord is scummy for posting it.
Something there doesn't add up...
Neutral leaning scum isn't a bad way to go early in the day. Better than neutral or neutral leaning town.
And may I offer the same advice to you?
Pretty impressive 180. You've completely turned against the case, surprise surprise, at the same time other people have. How come you haven't been wagoned yet?
Yeah, I'm sorry you played along with a case without thinking about it, and then tried to claim you didn't like the case in the first place. That being said, you're still scum.
Sick, and busy. Tuesdays and Fridays (and Wednesdays, to some extent) are my hell days, just so everyone knows.
Much as I hate it, iLord uses FoSes to say "I think that action was scummy", rather than "I think you're scum, but not enough to stop what I'm doing and kill you". Which kind of makes your argument a bit moot.
Thus, mostly I point to this: He has an absolutley abyssmal voting record, he seems to play the sheep a LOT, and, as soon as he gets called on the Net case, he jumps and says, "Well, I dunno about you guys, but I was against it from the start! Let's kill iLord for making such a terrible case!" He also seems to be willfully vague and always wanting to be on the latest bandwagons. I think that's enough to warrent a vote BigTime, don't you?
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I am voting MBP. I have no idea what else to do with this post.
Firstly, finding scum ISN'T our top priority today. Believe you me, I'd love to hit scum today, but honestly, hitting scum today is not and should not be our top priority today...
...And I just realized I used "hunting scum" instead of "hitting scum" earlier. God, do I feel stupid now. Lemme rephrase this:
I do not believe that finding and lynching scum is our top priority today. If we can, great. If we can't, we have info to find and lynch scum later in the game. We run the scummiest few players up to claim, and lynch the scummiest one at the end of the day. Nowhere did I INTEND to not suggest we do that, and it was mostly me being an idiot and using the wrong word that made people think I was against attacking scummy people.
As for my vote on MBP, he was pretty blatantly trying to be on the AK wagon without actually putting himself behind the wagon. I think that was scummy enough to warrent a vote.
No, I'm not. I'm merely stating that I don't find AK scummy, and I think I slightly misinterpretated your comments about scumhunting to mean you were FOCUSED on trying to find scum, rather than just get information. I think that while AK seems a little jumpy, he doesn't seem jumpy enough to make it a bad thing, and since I haven't played mafia recently, I don't know his playstyle well enough to consider if he's acting differently from that.
Does that make sense? When I typed it out, it seemed a tad weird to me, so if you have any questions, I'll clarify.
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