Okay, let me tackle the different things that have come up in this game so far:
- Concerning Giant Strength and Skeletal Scrying in the graveyard: I agree that we probably need to wait until “at least” Day 2 to try to figure out what they mean. Right now, we just don’t have enough information.
- Intuition has seemed to be a big topic here (at least between ZDS and Sutherlands). My view is that intuition without an ounce of other explanation isn’t that great of a tool. This is nothing more than a ‘gut’ feeling, and with gut feelings - especially at this point in the game - you are more likely going to be wrong than right.
Okay, now for where my top three suspicions lie (accompanied with explanations):
3) Fayul: I originally suspected Fayul after the 6th vote jump onto the ZDS bandwagon. Then, there is this post:
I'd be most wary of the people with few posts where they attemopt to influence the town: Cropcircles is the first one that comes to mind. (and, umm, after this post, me too, but I'm not scum, so that doesn't count.)
This just reeks of a hypocritical argument (it’s even openly admitted). However, I’m waiting to reserve judgement here until I hear how Fayul feels about both ikerr and Sutherlands. FOS: Fayul
Speaking of which, this brings me to where I’m torn between who to vote for. They both have a lot going against them. Shall we begin?
So... first off, your eye isn't on everyone? I don't know what I've done to deserve such a watchful eye, but whatever. Second, there is a point that random voting becomes not useful? Wouldn't that be the beginning of the game? It's never useful, people just do it because it's fun.
Sutherlands has been giving the impression that he’s played plenty of Mafia games. This just seems to clash with that last sentence. As Matjoeman, ZDS, and Good&Evil pointed out shortly thereafter, so-called “random” voting can in fact be quite helpful later on in the game.
… I believe that you and Cyan are most likely to be scum, and obviously other people do too. The tactics used, especially that of pulling a bandwagon off of a fellow mafia (if neither of you were mafia, you would probably want the other person to be lynched, because that means you get to survive the night) is something I have seen the mafia do many a time. I am not using flawed logic to link you, but rather my own intuition. What else is there to go on this early in the game?
(My emphasis on the bolding) To see why I see this as important, please see my views on intuition above.
I think the number of votes on me and the number of votes on you shows that you are the better choice. Especially considering that all but one of the votes on me are people who I specifically said i was suspicious of.
Now, I really didn’t like this (even though the first sentence was in jest). At this point, Sutherlands, are you suspicious of all 8 of the people currently voting for you?
Then, there are the contradictions that WhytePanther brought up in post 165. However much I disagree with how Sutherlands views being a townie in this game (which, from what I’ve gathered, is pretty much akin to stay alive at almost all costs), I’m not going to go touching that point with a 10-foot pole.
And even if you still believe I am scum, do you really believe that it is more likely that I am than Ikerr? He has made 7 posts, been on the 2 "big" bandwagons for no reason (which he later went back and said was for "pressure") and "minor contradictions and sometimes strange arguements". Also, the vote for "pressure" on ZDS was within a post of ZDS's 2nd and 3rd votes.
This seems like a desperation attempt at “Look! ikerr is acting suspiciously too, why not vote for him? He just so happens to also have a bandwagon, but that has nothing to do with this assessment.”
Don’t think you’re off the hook either ikerr:
I only have two things against you (opposed to many against Sutherlands, however that may just be because Sutherlands has been a much more active poster than you have)
1) You jumped onto the Sutherlands and ZDS bandwagons without much of an explanation other than it being “for pressure” or simply agreeing with other players.
2) Then, when you were asked to explain your actions, you didn’t do a very good job of it. The best you could seemingly muster was:
I don't see what's so bad about speulating about the setup in the early game, I don't see where I was fishing, and I'm not sure why I need lengthy explanations when you just agreed that they were the scummiest players.
I don’t like that you were basically saying to loran16, “I agreed with you, so why’d does it matter that I jumped in with no explanation of my own?” All it does is add your vote to a bandwagon without giving any of your own though into the decision. This leaves a minimal amount of information that can be traced back to you later (something that I see as a nice mafia tactic).
Now, for my vote: At this time, I believe the evidence leads me to go Vote: Sutherlands and FOS: ikerr. However, they are very, very close to being on the same level here. Sutherlands said that he would claim. This is something that I’d like to hear out of either ikerr or Sutherlands at this point because they are both my top suspects. Cyan almost convinced me not to vote for Sutherlands, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that everything Sutherlands has done has just been a series of misunderstandings.
Hey everyone. First thing's first: Unvote: ZDS I'm going to be going over the thread for the next few hours, and after that, I'll be making a post with my thoughts on players in this game. Quite possibly also add my own vote into this thing.
/in. I know this is a new account, but I have been lurking the most recent Mafia games and have read many others. I love the way these are played, and would love to have a go.
- Concerning Giant Strength and Skeletal Scrying in the graveyard: I agree that we probably need to wait until “at least” Day 2 to try to figure out what they mean. Right now, we just don’t have enough information.
- Intuition has seemed to be a big topic here (at least between ZDS and Sutherlands). My view is that intuition without an ounce of other explanation isn’t that great of a tool. This is nothing more than a ‘gut’ feeling, and with gut feelings - especially at this point in the game - you are more likely going to be wrong than right.
Okay, now for where my top three suspicions lie (accompanied with explanations):
3) Fayul: I originally suspected Fayul after the 6th vote jump onto the ZDS bandwagon. Then, there is this post:
This just reeks of a hypocritical argument (it’s even openly admitted). However, I’m waiting to reserve judgement here until I hear how Fayul feels about both ikerr and Sutherlands. FOS: Fayul
Speaking of which, this brings me to where I’m torn between who to vote for. They both have a lot going against them. Shall we begin?
Sutherlands:
My suspicions started with:
Sutherlands has been giving the impression that he’s played plenty of Mafia games. This just seems to clash with that last sentence. As Matjoeman, ZDS, and Good&Evil pointed out shortly thereafter, so-called “random” voting can in fact be quite helpful later on in the game.
Then there’s the whole ZDS/Cyan-Mafia conspiracy:
(My emphasis on the bolding) To see why I see this as important, please see my views on intuition above.
Sutherlands, I hate to use this against you, but:
Now, I really didn’t like this (even though the first sentence was in jest). At this point, Sutherlands, are you suspicious of all 8 of the people currently voting for you?
Then, there are the contradictions that WhytePanther brought up in post 165. However much I disagree with how Sutherlands views being a townie in this game (which, from what I’ve gathered, is pretty much akin to stay alive at almost all costs), I’m not going to go touching that point with a 10-foot pole.
One final thing before I move onto ikerr:
This seems like a desperation attempt at “Look! ikerr is acting suspiciously too, why not vote for him? He just so happens to also have a bandwagon, but that has nothing to do with this assessment.”
Don’t think you’re off the hook either ikerr:
I only have two things against you (opposed to many against Sutherlands, however that may just be because Sutherlands has been a much more active poster than you have)
1) You jumped onto the Sutherlands and ZDS bandwagons without much of an explanation other than it being “for pressure” or simply agreeing with other players.
2) Then, when you were asked to explain your actions, you didn’t do a very good job of it. The best you could seemingly muster was:
I don’t like that you were basically saying to loran16, “I agreed with you, so why’d does it matter that I jumped in with no explanation of my own?” All it does is add your vote to a bandwagon without giving any of your own though into the decision. This leaves a minimal amount of information that can be traced back to you later (something that I see as a nice mafia tactic).
Now, for my vote: At this time, I believe the evidence leads me to go Vote: Sutherlands and FOS: ikerr. However, they are very, very close to being on the same level here. Sutherlands said that he would claim. This is something that I’d like to hear out of either ikerr or Sutherlands at this point because they are both my top suspects. Cyan almost convinced me not to vote for Sutherlands, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that everything Sutherlands has done has just been a series of misunderstandings.