With regards to anti burn sideboard stuff: I like 3 droplet and 1 ruin processor. Droplets do work early game, the single processor can be found with eye in topdeck mode/mid and late game.
Agreed 100%. People just want to bash face, but our deck just isn't good at that. I think wail, thought knot, and the flicker eldrazi are really the most playable cards in the set. Everything else people are trying to jam is super naive.
I think people here are just excited about new cards that synchronize well with what our deck is already doing, that's not naivety, it's optimism.
Trying to jam every card that says "Devoid" or "Eldrazi" out of excitement is the literal definition of naivety in this context. Optimism is thinking "This set can certainly make the deck better." Naivety is "Every card in this set needs to be tested." Its pretty clear what sucks. That said, Smasher is borderline, but I think it fails in that it doesn't actually do anything. All of our creatures are value, and there is no reason Id want to change that for a big dumb beater that can be ignored by a LOT of decks.
I agree on thought knot seer. Its the only creature in the new set that I see requiring an immediate inclusion. He's a 2 mana Clique that loses flying and flash, but exiles the card entirely and is a 4/4 that doesn't even guarantee they get their card replaced. Damn, I just love this card. Maybe not at 4 of, but easily a 2-3 of standard in every list. Smasher is just completely useless. Sorry. He doesn't do anything. The deck doesn't need a beater. Every card in the deck is a beater. Maybe a 1 of for reach searchable by eye? Even then, meh. Just play bolts if you want reach.
With regards to anti burn sideboard stuff: I like 3 droplet and 1 ruin processor. Droplets do work early game, the single processor can be found with eye in topdeck mode/mid and late game.
Agreed 100%. People just want to bash face, but our deck just isn't good at that. I think wail, thought knot, and the flicker eldrazi are really the most playable cards in the set. Everything else people are trying to jam is super naive.
-Yes, Thanks Dimmez I forgot Sower+Fecht them cut 2 Mire, don't need C in this list.
-I think that T.Mind is good pair Decay. In fight our creatures are bigger and vs lowers gets Strangler. For quick mind only P.Exile and Remand saves for target (also can pick problematic Blood Moon)
-Any ideas SB vs Affity (Mind-Dust is uselles there) and RDW.
If you play green you have one of the best cards against affinity- Nature's Claim
Against RDW I have no idea, I'm currently researching that topic right now. 2-3 Spellskite in the 75. with Feed the Clan or Rest for the weary. If you play white I just found Perimeter Captain which seems to fill the role nicely.
Nature's claim is nowhere near one of the best cards vs affinity.
People are just throwing out random builds. Its not like the deck is being pulled in a bunch of directions, people are just buying into the hype of a new set and trying to jam every new card they see. Its pretty clear which ones are unplayable, but that won't stop people from wanting to try "Eldrazi singleton" for a while. Once the set comes out and people can actually test rather than speculate, Im sure the discussion will be more focused. As of now, though, its hardly worth following when every other post is a deck trying to jam every new OGW card or ridiculous discussion about "Can we cut staple card x for random jank y?"
Man, Im so done with this absurd conversation. Please, go test it. Good luck.
Can't havnt recieved my cards yet Have been following the deck since 20 dec and ordered the cards right after xmas, but due to new year both the bank and the postal services have been on holiday so havnt been able to get my cards yet.
So all I can do is reading these forums, watching all videos of this deck (and its variants) on youtube, stuying decklists from tournaments and watching streamers do their thing.
Oh and I don't think your comment added much to the discussion except for flaming, but ill leave you to it.
You've literally never played the deck and you're suggesting to take out one of the cornerstone lands. Come on, man. Jesus.
Well i suggested Vault of the archangel, and ppl seems to be playing that ^^
You're hardly the first person to think of Vault. It was on my list of "What would go in a white version" As soon as I saw the BR version on goldfish.
Man, Im so done with this absurd conversation. Please, go test it. Good luck.
Can't havnt recieved my cards yet Have been following the deck since 20 dec and ordered the cards right after xmas, but due to new year both the bank and the postal services have been on holiday so havnt been able to get my cards yet.
So all I can do is reading these forums, watching all videos of this deck (and its variants) on youtube, stuying decklists from tournaments and watching streamers do their thing.
Oh and I don't think your comment added much to the discussion except for flaming, but ill leave you to it.
You've literally never played the deck and you're suggesting to take out one of the cornerstone lands. Come on, man. Jesus.
Black IS an off color in this deck. Its also the most IMPORTANT off color in the deck. And holy *****, you're just throwing out "hypergeometric distribution" in a place it doesn't belong. I don't think you get it. If you play Eye without Urborg in play, that is 1 less spell you can play. Be it a relic. A map. An IoK. A removal spell. It doesn't tap for mana. It can't cast anything. Urborg, you see, adds swamp to every land. So now Eye can cast and pay for generic at the VERY least on every spell in the deck. "How often do you draw it?" Is not a reason to not play it. Thats completely absurd. And people actually DO run 4 and have been successful with it. The reason you don't is legendary, but again, I get the impression you haven't played the deck enough to understand that. I mean, seriously, man. Play the deck and come back and tell me Urborg isnt more powerful than your third or fourth godless shrine. Like, damn. Play the deck, dude. You're literally just trolling at this point.
Ok, so i guess it should be clear that cutting urborg is just a bad idea. Eye and opponents fetches are more than enough reasons to play it. Also you might want to have more than one black source (e.g. if you play Dismember or if you want to play Strangler+Discard).
Is this really to be discussed Oo ?
Yes, always open for discussion. Unless you just want to netdeck and say "but someone else play them". However, i doubt either you or I will come up with more pros (early game colour fixing, utility lands) and cons (slower ramp, less late game value from sower) than those already stated. And we will only be convinced if we see some real results from a professional tournament (or many) of the different builds.
I presented the idea for readers to playtest, use it if you want. Similar as to how some people argue that we should cut maps and play removals or discards instead.
Oh my god, you can't keep using the "real results" argument when there ARE real results. Honestly, what it seems like is you haven't played the deck at all. If you can even consider cutting Urborg, you just generally have a lack of understanding of what is going on. Urborg IS fixing. It turns colorless into colorless + Black. Every land is now a dual land. Sweet. Its also fixing early game when you're looking to cast a strangler or a discard spell. So your "pro" of cutting it is ridiculous. Your cons, are just overwhelming, too. You can't just make a list and say "There is a penny in that fire, Pro: I could have a penny. Con: I could die. Well, looks like we are all tied up, boys." It doesn't work that way. This deck would not be a deck without Urborg. It wouldn't function. Urborg lets you ramp with eye without giving up the ability to still play spells. Again, Ill reiterate, it honestly feels like you haven't played the deck. Don't be dense. A lot of us have, and we are telling you it just is a really bad idea. Not all ideas are worth testing. Sorry.
If I don't like Smasher, Ill go up to 3 Strangler and another warping wail.
Not unless its on 3 it can't.
Trying to jam every card that says "Devoid" or "Eldrazi" out of excitement is the literal definition of naivety in this context. Optimism is thinking "This set can certainly make the deck better." Naivety is "Every card in this set needs to be tested." Its pretty clear what sucks. That said, Smasher is borderline, but I think it fails in that it doesn't actually do anything. All of our creatures are value, and there is no reason Id want to change that for a big dumb beater that can be ignored by a LOT of decks.
Colorless does not count towards "colors of mana."
Agreed 100%. People just want to bash face, but our deck just isn't good at that. I think wail, thought knot, and the flicker eldrazi are really the most playable cards in the set. Everything else people are trying to jam is super naive.
Nature's claim is nowhere near one of the best cards vs affinity.
You're hardly the first person to think of Vault. It was on my list of "What would go in a white version" As soon as I saw the BR version on goldfish.
You've literally never played the deck and you're suggesting to take out one of the cornerstone lands. Come on, man. Jesus.
LOL, naw dawg, Urborg means we can't cast spells. Apparently? /s
Oh my god, you can't keep using the "real results" argument when there ARE real results. Honestly, what it seems like is you haven't played the deck at all. If you can even consider cutting Urborg, you just generally have a lack of understanding of what is going on. Urborg IS fixing. It turns colorless into colorless + Black. Every land is now a dual land. Sweet. Its also fixing early game when you're looking to cast a strangler or a discard spell. So your "pro" of cutting it is ridiculous. Your cons, are just overwhelming, too. You can't just make a list and say "There is a penny in that fire, Pro: I could have a penny. Con: I could die. Well, looks like we are all tied up, boys." It doesn't work that way. This deck would not be a deck without Urborg. It wouldn't function. Urborg lets you ramp with eye without giving up the ability to still play spells. Again, Ill reiterate, it honestly feels like you haven't played the deck. Don't be dense. A lot of us have, and we are telling you it just is a really bad idea. Not all ideas are worth testing. Sorry.