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Mar 26, 2018urweak posted a message on Treasure Cruisin' Pauper SliversYou left out one of the biggest key differences between Poisonous and Infect. Unlike Infect, Poisonous stacks, Rule 702.69b says "If a creature has multiple instances of poisonous, each triggers separately". Because of this, having multiple Virulent Slivers on the battlefield will effectively give all slivers Poisonous 2,3, or a max 4 (baring any Clone effects).Posted in: Articles
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Double Necro (Hello 2017)!
Speaking of Saheeli, there is the new Saheeli, Sublime Artificer. Every set I look at the new cards with this deck in mind, a few have seemed like good candidates, but not enough to push the deck into competitive play. I suspect, or am at least hopeful, that one or more cards will be printing to make this deck competitive.
It was already reprinted once (Modern Masters). So it is marked on the list as a reprinted card.
I guess it's part of some hard line policy to never reprint stuff that would bounce lands ever again. But at 5 CMC, you would think they could allow this card to bounce anything. Have they said something like Boomerang is too good for Standard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNeLUngb-Xg
The phrase "super cringe", is super cringe.
Anyone have any thoughts on what might make its way into Modern Horizons? If anything?
Agreed. Imagine if you went to buy a new car and there was no MSRP for the vehicle you wanted to buy. The feel bad experience you would have at that dealership is probably similar to the one people are going to experience with new MTG products.
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But I asked for old cards. As in pre-8th edition frames. We already know that similar printings will hold similar value, just look at my Shivan Dragon example.
However, it's interesting that you note Tarmogoyf, as 'goyf's FS printing is near double the price of any other printing. What's even more interesting, is that the you compare Tarmogoyf to Karaks. Did you know that the Eternal Masters version of Karakas is at around $60, while the Legends version is at $80. But 'goyf is at around $55 for the MM17 version and $95 for the FS version. It would seem there is actually a wider gap between goyf.
I think you are making a number of assumptions without really understanding all the forces at play here on card pricing. The biggest thing is print run, and any old card (pre-8th) is drastically under printed by today's standards.
From what I have stated to this point, my argument is that no old card can be printed with the expectation that it's price will mirror the old version. So to appease you, they would need to only select modern cards (8th edition + M15 frames) to print. However, they aren't going to do that for this set, this isn't Modern Masters, this is a different set.
Are people here really saying that? I remember MM1 as being so limited in its printing that stores were only getting like 5-10 boxes each and that was it. There wasn't enough product to horde.
But that's the whole point. You can't look at it like that. Even if WotC ended the reserved list and filled the set full of new art ABU duals and P9 cards (some of the most desirable cards ever printed), those cards would be worth considerably less than the original printings. That said, I'm not sure WotC could pick any card, that has never seen a modern printing, and print it in a new set with the expectation that it would hold similar pricing to the original version.
What examples can you give, of an old card, that would hold it price or rebound well after a modern day printing? Or what old cards would you suggest that could hold/rebound their price?
Your evaluation of the card pricing is no accurate. While you can get a playable copy for around those prices, the original versions did not fall to the prices you listed. The original printing of Rishadan Port in MM was around a $100, today it sits at about $50. Karakas from Legends had an all time high of around $180, but today is at about $80. Imperial Recruiter was almost $300 at one point, but today, the original Portals printing is about $120.
The reprinted versions are considerably less, but quoting those prices in your comparison is a little dishonest. Also, you have to consider that many of these cards, like most MTG cards, have their ups and downs in popularity. For example, there was a point in Legacy where one of the most powerful decks revolved around winning off Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, so Karakas was very popular at that time. As the meta shifted away from that, so to did the demand for Karakas.
The same could be said about an Alpha Shivan Dragon, you wouldn't say the price fell to $0.25 when it was printed in M19 from it's $1,300 price point at it's Alpha printing. While an Alpha Shivan Dragon plays the same as a M19 version almost 99% of the time, the two are basically totally different cards. You would need to compare the printing of an M15 and M19 version to get a better understanding of the price changes.
Right, AB cards are in high demand because of nostalgia and the fact that all other printings of many of the cards in AB were in white boarder. However, the price disparity between many of the cards, at the same or lower rarity, is because of 93/94. If you consider cards that are iconic, like Lord of the Pit, Nightmare, Force of Nature, and Demonic Hordes, you will see that their pricing is around $200-$300. Just like my example of Lord of Atlantis from above, these cards are almost nonexistent in 93/94, yet cards like Jayemdae Tome and Disrupting Scepter are worth $400+. Why is this? They are all Alpha/Beta rares and are basically terrible cards by today's standards. Yet Scepter and Tome are worth considerably more; even double in some cases. The reason why Scepter and Tome are worth more, is because of 93/94 playability. Both cards are played in one of the top decks in the format, called "The Deck". http://www.eternalcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/JonHammackECOSEW17Deck.jpg
Yes, Dual lands are one of the most desirable cards from Magic's birth. I never mentioned these cards in my post and was specifically talking about cards that are worth a lot of money, specifically because of their use in the 93/94 format. However, this does illustrate that a cards worth, is backed up by its use in some format. While old cards are expensive because they are old, some of those old cards carry a premium because they are playable in some type of format.