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  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    Quote from Torpf »
    For now we are giving this 'archetype system' a week trial run. If it is wildly disliked after a week we can switch to a single 'established' page with a more strict ruled for threads that appear there. Something like a GP/PT top 32 in the last 6 months or a SCG Invitational top 8, to give an idea.
    Why not doing both?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    Quote from Torpf »
    The first reasonable starting point to classify decks will be with a 5 class system of Aggro & Tempo, Midrange, Control, Combo, Big Mana
    So you are forgoing performance classification?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    Why not use Starcitygames tournaments data?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do Samurai really suck or am i just a bad deckbuilder?
    Quote from metalsgs »

    Is there a way to make a samurai deck acceptable in modern?

    Do you see any samurai deck in the tier list?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List

    Some interesting uptrending charts
    Some interesting downtrending charts

    All time ladder construction: each week every deck above 3.50% meta share gets a tier1-point, every other deck above 1.50% gets a tier2-point, every other deck above 0.50% gets a tier3-point. The following ratios are then calculated for each deck: tier1points/total number of weeks, (tier1points+tier2points)/total number of weeks, (tier1points+tier2points+tier3points)/total number of weeks. These ratios tell how many weeks, over the total number of weeks, a deck has been tier1, at least tier2 and at least tier3.
    • All time tier1 decks are those decks with a tier1 points ratio greater or equal than 0.75 (=75%). That means those decks have been tier 1 at least 75% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 8 weeks and tier 2 for 2 weeks, so it has a tier 1 percentage equal to 80%.
    • All time tier2 decks are, among the others, those decks with a tier1 + tier2 points ratio greater or equal than 0.66 (=66%). That means those decks have been at least tier 2 at least 66% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 3 weeks and tier 2 for 4 weeks, so it has a tier 2 percentage equal to 70%.
    • All time tier3 decks are, among the others, those decks with a tier1 + tier2 + tier3 points ratio greater or equal than 0.66 (=66%). That means those decks have been at least tier 3 at least 66% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 1 week, tier 2 for 2 weeks and tier 3 for 6 weeks, so it has a tier 3 percentage equal to 90%.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on MTG Modern Competitive Meta Analysis and Tier List
    I was double counting if a deck appeared in the Top 8 more than once in the same tournament
    Isn't it how it should be?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    Quote from cfusionpm »

    Unless there is a change in policy for release of data, the actively-chosen 5-0 lists no longer represent even a random sampling of the format (which can normalize over time). So the only thing we have to go on moving forward are a handful of paper lists every few weeks and months. Until they give us MTGO data, the days of meta tracking are effectively over.
    Quote.
    Quote from idSurge »
    I was thinking SCG events, their database of decks and results are all we have now.
    Quote.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    All time ladder at 7/8/17

    Some interesting uptrending charts

    Some interesting downtrending charts


    Zac Pinales' weekly ladder and source data


    All time ladder construction: each week every deck above 3.50% meta share gets a tier1-point, every other deck above 1.50% gets a tier2-point, every other deck above 0.50% gets a tier3-point. The following ratios are then calculated for each deck: tier1points/total number of weeks, (tier1points+tier2points)/total number of weeks, (tier1points+tier2points+tier3points)/total number of weeks. These ratios tell how many weeks, over the total number of weeks, a deck has been tier1, at least tier2 and at least tier3.
    • All time tier1 decks are those decks with a tier1 points ratio greater or equal than 0.75 (=75%). That means those decks have been tier 1 at least 75% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 8 weeks and tier 2 for 2 weeks, so it has a tier 1 percentage equal to 80%.
    • All time tier2 decks are, among the others, those decks with a tier1 + tier2 points ratio greater or equal than 0.66 (=66%). That means those decks have been at least tier 2 at least 66% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 3 weeks and tier 2 for 4 weeks, so it has a tier 2 percentage equal to 70%.
    • All time tier3 decks are, among the others, those decks with a tier1 + tier2 + tier3 points ratio greater or equal than 0.66 (=66%). That means those decks have been at least tier 3 at least 66% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 1 week, tier 2 for 2 weeks and tier 3 for 6 weeks, so it has a tier 3 percentage equal to 90%.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    I modified it, maybe now it's clearer.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    Quote from purklefluff »
    Forgive me if i've missed something obvious, but I really can't get my head around the ladder idea with points. Specifically:

    If points are converted into a percentage of the total points obtainable in that category, how is it that a deck can ever achieve 100%? Surely this means that one deck received all the points obtainable that week, and no other decks got anything?

    Honestly I'm quite perplexed that I find it this confusing because I teach physics so I'm no stranger to maths haha. What have I missed?
    Just a refreshing then Smile

    lim (a+n)/(b+n) = 1 as n grows.

    numerator = number of weeks you have been tier 1
    denominator = number of weeks total

    If you reach tier 1 every week you add 1 to both numerator and denominator, and you get the limit.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    A global tier list identifies not only how strong a deck is but also how strong a deck has been. Going back 8 months is very useful when exist decks that have been tier 1 for the whole 8 months! If you are interested in last week ladder you have the link to the weekly data which are gathered and provided by Ashockfan.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    All time ladder at 6/17/17

    Some interesting uptrending charts

    Some interesting downtrending charts


    Avi Mikhli's weekly ladder and source data


    All time ladder construction: each week every deck above 3.50% meta share gets a tier1-point, every other deck above 1.50% gets a tier2-point, every other deck above 0.50% gets a tier3-point. The following ratios are then calculated for each deck: tier1points/total number of weeks, (tier1points+tier2points)/total number of weeks, (tier1points+tier2points+tier3points)/total number of weeks. These ratios tell how many weeks, over the total number of weeks, a deck has been tier1, at least tier2 and at least tier3.
    • All time tier1 decks are those decks with a tier1 points ratio greater or equal than 0.75 (=75%). That means those decks have been tier 1 at least 75% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 8 weeks and tier 2 for 2 weeks, so it has a tier 1 percentage equal to 80%.
    • All time tier2 decks are, among the others, those decks with a tier1 + tier2 points ratio greater or equal than 0.66 (=66%). That means those decks have been at least tier 2 at least 66% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 3 weeks and tier 2 for 4 weeks, so it has a tier 2 percentage equal to 70%.
    • All time tier3 decks are, among the others, those decks with a tier1 + tier2 + tier3 points ratio greater or equal than 0.66 (=66%). That means those decks have been at least tier 3 at least 66% of the weeks. E.g. in 10 weeks a deck has been tier 1 for 1 week, tier 2 for 2 weeks and tier 3 for 6 weeks, so it has a tier 3 percentage equal to 90%.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    Quote from hagbard2210 »
    Quote from VegaTDM »
    If Grixis Shadow is listed as an untiered deck than I have zero faith in this tier list.

    I have zero faith in your iq if you can not see the ubx shadow at place 1 after you get told so once.
    Quote. Plus this is a global tier list, not a weekly list, grixis shadow has been tier 1 for few weeks or so, other tier decks (eg. affinity, burn, etc.) have been tier 1 forever. Ladder and charts show exactly this.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Comprehensive Modern Tiered List
    Quote from VegaTDM »
    Where is Grixis Shadow? Is that lumped in with BGx Shadow?
    UBx Shadow
    Posted in: Modern
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