Back to Basics would be banned in any color. It would be even worse in white, but the color of a card does affect its playability. Always did, and even more in a format with color identity. If Mystical Tutor had been a hybrid red/green card, it probably wouldn't have even started to ping the radar.
Not to get off topic but red would love to have mystical tutor. Put Price of progress on top? Why not get Bonfire of the Damned? Point is i think the ability is probably too strong white finds cataclysm, black finds Damnation or demonic tutor.green can find beast within, abrupt decay,( green is a hard color to think of atm) sadly, what mystical tutor does is probably just too good.
How did the Valakut lists used to work? I think this may be another line of play possible for MW!
Pretty sure they used fast bond and such. Imo that's actually just terrible. I personally only played one basic mountain, shocks,and duals. No other mountain lands. I can't imagine warranting valakut as an anything condition. Not removal or for winning. Seems too inconsistent/unreliable. Tony and i have been cooking up a way to live from the 20 hp change. We think we're close to figuring it out. All aboard the batterskull train.
Life matters, but it doesn't too. Not like it does in Modern. You have easier answers, the card pool is bigger than Modern (and you have FoW). So yeah, Modern plays very, very differently than Legacy or VIntage or... hum... Old Duel Commander. I'm sorry to say it this way, but if you don't get what I meant in that post, you'll probably never get it. They're very different games overall - and look, I don't even like where Legacy is heading actually.
And you're just trying to bait me by saying the thing about 30 life right? You know 30 life was a cushion because Commander is a way less consistent format and so the 10-20 extra life are meant for you to be able to not lose to mediocre hands. You know that. Right?
EDIT (updating with what dachivale said): there is an old saying "There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers"
Sorry, not trying to bait or piss you off. I was just using hyperbole in an attempt to make a point.
Out of curiosity, why does life matter more in modern as opposed to legacy?
Because aggro decks are THE BEST decks in the format. Affinity, boggles, zooicide, zoo, burn, infect, all linear strats. Control doesn't exist in modern because it can't keep up.
Fetch shock yourself too much and you might just die cuz of it. And that is now a great posibility in 20DC.
I'm going to add things like Chandra, Flamecaller, maybe Thragtusk, Wurmcoil, MAYBE Mizzium Mortars. Kiora looks more reasonable to play now in all honesty. I always hated her but the idea of using her seems kinda good now.
It's not an easy match up but it isn't completely a lost cause either. I've beaten the control version before. Unfortunately for me, college, full time job, and new girlfriend in my life makes playing duel commander a lot less likely for me. I still want to try new Nissa, new Chandra, and MAYBE Saheeli but she's on the fence for me.
Thanks, is there a realy difference between using mana rocks and ramp spells like he did?
If you're using a mixture of both rather than simply the ramp spells, you're a bit safer against winter orb, Armageddon, cataclysm, ect. Running rocks also lets you validate running tezzeret the seeker which can find you basalt monolith or just untap rocks or find a lotus bloom to give a chance of getting wanderer out faster. (Tezz is also a win con.)
Another important reason is that it helps you have a higher chance of finding more land drops since you're no longer thinning yourself of lands.
Guys does anyone play the Wafo-Tapa vesion? Is it better than the manarocks? Or can anyone point some differences how those two play? Im thinking aboutplaying MW on my next tournament but cant decide between the classic version or the wafo tapa. Also, Im lacking some of the time warps thit might be issue too.
btw anyone plays new emrakul?
I honestly think the wafo tapa version is just awful. There's so much do nothing but ramp cards and having so much is just bad. You can probably get away with time warp, walk the aeons and mastery and be fine.
I thought about it but it doesn't really win the game asap. Ugin just ends games sometimes.
Alright, corrected the link above. Only card I'm not so sure about is Dimir Charm, because the third mode is a bit underwhelming.
The hard matchups (aka, I'm a bye or close to it) with the list are Titania, Wafo-Tapa Wanderer and probably Nissa, Vastwood Seer (can fetch Cavern of Souls and has an ETB). Keranos isn't actually too bad, despite Blood Moon/Ruination.
Man this is AWESOME. I am very thankful for your efforts.
Now I realize that the sample data is small and can't be taken too seriously or as fact but for the most part it seems to support a lot of theories I believe. Like Rafiq > Jenara.
I realize it only had 2 showings but Teferi at 89% win percentage suprised me.
The same teferi deck went undefeated (maybe dropped a single game but not match) last Friday. The deck is terrible oppressive imo. Working on a way to have more playable hate. Already using needle, dack Fayden ect. The only deck I've seen Teferi struggle against is Thalia taxes. And even then Teferi still can pull it out.
The Prossh I went up against are land destruction based decks. Some of my losses also came from blank cascades ( cascade into ramp spell and amother mana rock)
That's an honestly strange version of prossh that you don't really see too often. Doesnt sound like it would be easy. Most prossh are just ramp into prossh and hope for the best. You could play crucible of worlds and/or use Titania to try to punish LD effects.
What could you do is to organize 1v1 tournaments using multiplayer banlist and build a deck that abuses those cards that are normaly on french banlist. Im not sure how competetive the players are but it might work if their decks are more on the casual side
I tried that methodology at one point. The friends who supported duel commander didn't like that i wanted to abuse the casuals and essentially "be *****ting on their format." And "telling them how to play the game."
Guys.. hows your match up against Prossh. Im kinda having problems with him specially the mana denial set up for Prossh.
It's kinda 50/50 I've lost quickly and have won quickly. Confluence, cryptic command, volcanic fallout after they cast prossh, cyclonic rift, ect. Never went 0-2 against it in tournament post food chain ban. We also have World Breaker who can block him and kill him
Not to get off topic but red would love to have mystical tutor. Put Price of progress on top? Why not get Bonfire of the Damned? Point is i think the ability is probably too strong white finds cataclysm, black finds Damnation or demonic tutor.green can find beast within, abrupt decay,( green is a hard color to think of atm) sadly, what mystical tutor does is probably just too good.
Pretty sure they used fast bond and such. Imo that's actually just terrible. I personally only played one basic mountain, shocks,and duals. No other mountain lands. I can't imagine warranting valakut as an anything condition. Not removal or for winning. Seems too inconsistent/unreliable. Tony and i have been cooking up a way to live from the 20 hp change. We think we're close to figuring it out. All aboard the batterskull train.
Because aggro decks are THE BEST decks in the format. Affinity, boggles, zooicide, zoo, burn, infect, all linear strats. Control doesn't exist in modern because it can't keep up.
Fetch shock yourself too much and you might just die cuz of it. And that is now a great posibility in 20DC.
If you're using a mixture of both rather than simply the ramp spells, you're a bit safer against winter orb, Armageddon, cataclysm, ect. Running rocks also lets you validate running tezzeret the seeker which can find you basalt monolith or just untap rocks or find a lotus bloom to give a chance of getting wanderer out faster. (Tezz is also a win con.)
Another important reason is that it helps you have a higher chance of finding more land drops since you're no longer thinning yourself of lands.
I honestly think the wafo tapa version is just awful. There's so much do nothing but ramp cards and having so much is just bad. You can probably get away with time warp, walk the aeons and mastery and be fine.
I thought about it but it doesn't really win the game asap. Ugin just ends games sometimes.
Wafo-Tapa wanderer? What's that?
The same teferi deck went undefeated (maybe dropped a single game but not match) last Friday. The deck is terrible oppressive imo. Working on a way to have more playable hate. Already using needle, dack Fayden ect. The only deck I've seen Teferi struggle against is Thalia taxes. And even then Teferi still can pull it out.
That's an honestly strange version of prossh that you don't really see too often. Doesnt sound like it would be easy. Most prossh are just ramp into prossh and hope for the best. You could play crucible of worlds and/or use Titania to try to punish LD effects.
I tried that methodology at one point. The friends who supported duel commander didn't like that i wanted to abuse the casuals and essentially "be *****ting on their format." And "telling them how to play the game."
It's kinda 50/50 I've lost quickly and have won quickly. Confluence, cryptic command, volcanic fallout after they cast prossh, cyclonic rift, ect. Never went 0-2 against it in tournament post food chain ban. We also have World Breaker who can block him and kill him