Well, I played several tournaments with that deck so far and it only f'cked me up ONE TIME (yeah.... tiltet a bit there - but made me become a better human being/magic player)
Most of the time I went 3:1 on the local FNM, sometimes just 2:2, two times 4:0 and made a "1 place behind prices"-place at the bigger tournament around (98ppl, made 27. 4:3 finish, cause of 4-5 missplays) and was always happy to play Goblins, never had a game where it was like "uhm, I can't win here".
So it worked extremely well for me - feel free to PM me if you have questions or need advise
And even as a sideboardcard there should be better options than playing Eidolon
vs. Storm
- Grafdigger's Cage (Hitting Collected/Cord/etc as well)
- Dragon's Claw
- Ratchet Bomb
Has anyone found any significant benefit of playing Coldsteel Heart over/with Mind Stone. I know it helps with Skred and Scrying Sheets buy I think the card draw is far too important.
As a former Imperial Painter player, I'm really excited to play this deck. Thank you!
- SSG is good for a fast T1-2 Blood Moon and that's it (beside that I won 1-2times with a hardcast ssg...)
- Sarkhan... played him several times when I started with SkRed but found him never good enough to stay in my 75 beside some funny interactions aka. "Koth +1 animating your Mountain, Sarkhan -3 kills your mountain"
- you're right, since Twin is banned we don't need the extra 1dmg for Skred T3 dealing 4 to their Deceiver Exarch, Mind Stone should be the way to go (for as long as youre fine with the colorless mana, maybe would go for Coldsteel if I run the playset Deus of Calamity or something? :D)
Decklist as usual, tried out two Processor Assault in the Sideboard but nothing important.
Game1 vs RB-Madness/Discard (2:1)
Guy is known for cheating, drawing more cards than allowed, Faithless Looting:Draw 3 Discard 1 etc. (2:1)
Magic is hard if you have to watch everything possible, thinking 'bout every draw and stuff your opponent does -.-''
1:0
Game2 vs MonoWhiteHumans (0:2) (This guy went 4:0 and won the FNM)
Usually I have to win this, Match1 I cast 3x Anger of the Gods, 2x Skred and and and... still did not manage to win.
His deck is updated for a grindy midgame -> Ranger of Eos, Kytheon, Hero of Akros, Student of Warfare, Thraben Inspector and together with Thalia, Big Thalia and Thalia's Lieutenant...
Awesome deck, hits fast and hard but can go grindy as well, I love it
1:1
After that we played some fun matches, guess the Matchup is around 30/70-40/60, interesting deck.
Game3 vs Jund Death's Shadow (2:0)
One of the most experienced players around, always fun to play vs him, he knows every out and usually exactly what is the best way to play.
Match 1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar wins it easily, blocking Death's Shadows for years
Match 2, well Lightning Bolt is kinda useless but can take care of Lilianas, Relics are important vs Tarmogoyf and Traverse, Anger is important vs the boarded in Lingering Souls...
Boarded in Molten Rains (to go for Basics) and added Ratchet Bombs to deal with Shadow and Token. Took out the Stormbreath Dragons and Anger of the Gods -> T3 Blood Moon, T4 Molten Rain on his single Swamp, T5 Roast+Bolt on his resolved Death Shadow -> gg. (2:1)
Game4 vs Grixis Death's Shadow (2:1)
Same as above but lost match 2.
3:1
Interesting Boarding here, need the Stormbreath Dragons 'cause hes removal of choice is PtE - Relics are good vs Angler/Tasigur and Souls, Molten Rain vs Basics... I was totally confused what to do here, cut myself down to 22lands and freaked out a bit.
Summary:
- Ratchet Bomb and Blood Moon are awesome vs Death's Shadow
- Stubborn Denial... it is awesome together with the Shadow
- Roast is mostly useless vs Death's Shadow
- Processor Assault is not as good as I wished for
- I missed the Obliterate... actually thinking about playing 1 MB and 1 SB and yes, I'm serious
- Eternal Scourge is important to the deck, blocking Death's Shadow to infinity and beyond
- I have no ideas how to board vs Grixis Death's Shadow
I'm struggling to stay competitive with this deck. I feel like I always flood out and lose due to being too slow. Here's my list, because I desperately need help!
Again, I seriously don't know what I'm doing wrong. I just can't seem to win anymore.
I don't know where you struggle, so I have to suggest things bout your metagame and stuff.
I'd cut the 4.Blood Moon, since you're not running Simian Spirit Guides and this is not the "AllInRed"-Version of the deck, we draw too often copies of this and in the old thread we figured out that 3 Moons are enough.
Go for another Dragon's Claw or Sun Droplet in the Side (I even run 4 Claws these days) if you struggle vs Burn/Storm/?
Beside that I actually love to include 1-3 Ratchet Bombs in the side, fighting through Tokens, Affinity and Co.
and to quote Emracool -> run the 4.Relic Main, it is just awesome these days (if you never kept 3 Tarmogoyfs at bay with a Relic, you will never understand what makes SkRed so awesome) and cut the yet or a bolt, probably the bolt.
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I play nearly the same deck (Difference of 3-4 cards mainboard) and half of your sideboard and it feels great at my lgs and even better at tournaments around
Remember, too, that the single most important, or at least, the most irritating artifact to remove for a goblin deck is Chalice of the Void on one. Shattering Spree is CMC 1, so Chalice (on one) will counter it, but paying an additional R for its Replicate cost will make a copy on the stack that will not be countered because you did not cast it. That is, Shattering Spree will allow you to destroy Chalice for RR. OTOH, By Force has CMC 1. X is always 0 when figuring the CMC of a spell with an X in its cost. Therefore, regardless of how much you actually spend for X, Chalice of the Void will counter By Force, so Shattering Spree is much safer.
That is not correct. When a spell with an X in its mana cost is in the stack, the CMC is its other cost + the X you have paid, i.e., tapping three mountains will allow you to cast by force with CMC = 3 (where X=2), so the chalice on 1 will do nothing against it. Nonetheless, when this kind of spells are in your hand, GY, or in play (meaning anywhere other than the stack); the X counts as 0 and its CMC is the remaining cost.
You're right, the CMC is always(mostly) what you paid for the spell, means By Force has CMC of R+X and outside the stack just R.
But when chalice of the void on 1 is on the battlefield, By Force and Shattering Spree are nearly the same.
The First Spree is countered (spending R for nothing) and the Copies resolve (X times paying R for X destroyed artifacts).
On the other hand By Force can get countered (lets say by Stubborn Denial) but Shattering Spree can't because there are 5 Sprees and not only 1.
I'd say Shattering Spree is better for 99% of the time.
@Midn8Walker
Oh my god. I feel so embarrassed right now. I actually had a pithing needle in my sideboard and was asking everyone around me if it works on Lotus Bloom! After they told me no, I didn't even include it against the Ad nauseam player. Completely forgot it could target spells.
Keep in mind that if you Pithing Needle their Lightning Storm, they will simply play Laboratory Maniac followed up by Serum Visions for the win. You can attempt to kill the maniac in response, but they will counter this with Pact of negation. However, Volcanic Fallout is uncounterable, so it will still get the job done. I'm not sure Fallout is useful against anything else at the moment, maybe Fish or Affinity but Anger seems better overal at the moment.
Anyway, I've been thinking about the deck a bit lately, and now I really want to try the following:
So there's basically 2 things I'd change with this list compared to my last:
1) Include Mouth of Ronom. I like this card. Most of the time, it's just a land, but it functiones as another out to pro-red creatures. Combined with 3x Scrying Sheets, it's easy to get mana screwed. This is why I've included one Coldsteel Heart. In order to reduce the chance of Coldsteel Heart being a dead card, I've added a third Pia and Kiran Nalaar so I can throw the Heart to the opponents face more often.
2) The third Pia and Kiran makes sure I've got more creatures in play. This might be a chance to swap one Molten Rain in the sideboard for one Icefall, which is still a card I like. Yes, it costs 4 mana, but the extra Coldsteel Heart does make it easier to cast. The ability to destroy an artifact as well gives it more flexibility and the third Pia and Kiran makes sure it's easier to recur. This is also why I choose to play Rabblemaster over Goblin Dark-dwellers. I'm not sure how often I won't be able to pay for the Recover trigger, but I will test this out in the coming weeks (if I get to play, that is). It's probably too cute (as is Mouth of Ronom), but also quite flavorful x)
I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
I'd cut one Sheets for another SnowCovered Mountain... lacked often enough for the second red mana source for Koth/Chandra/Pia when I played something similar.
@Midn8Walker
Oh my god. I feel so embarrassed right now. I actually had a pithing needle in my sideboard and was asking everyone around me if it works on Lotus Bloom! After they told me no, I didn't even include it against the Ad nauseam player. Completely forgot it could target spells. Will definitely keep this in mind. And yeah, I will try cutting 1x Roast and 1x Dragon for Godo+Batterskull.
Thanks for the replies
I would play Godo, Bandit Warlord together with 2x Batterskull, it is embarassing to draw Godo+Batterskull and play Godo for nothing to search, I know what I'm talking
I would cut down 1 Stormbreath Dragon and ad another Land, basically 1x Scrying Sheets - felt I was often screwed playing only 22Lands, but I guess im alone These days playing 23lands.
Ad Nauseam is a quite mess of a Play... managed to steal some games the days when I had Crumble to Dust with me
- Pithing Needle on "Lightning Storm"
- Blood Moon/Molten Rain
- Assembling a clock real fast :'D
- Artifact Removal and hoping for some luck.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance is a huge Plus for this deck.
She functions as Tread -> Her Ultimate wins.
She funktions as Removal -> 4DMG to your Thought-Knot Seer
She functions as Manafix -> +1, eat my Stormbreath/Godo/Obliterate/Whatever
She functions as "Carddraw" -> +1 oh, heres an removal!
Sideboard always relays on your local meta, I like Ratchet Bomb and Grafdigger's Cage at the Moment, but managed 2-3years playing SkRed without them.
Godo+Batterskull is pretty funny, I Play it sometimes at my LGS for funny rounds, would take out 1-2 Stormbreaths and the Roast?
We can't afford to play many Cards with cmc 5 or higher.
Btw. I love Batterskull Mainboard to swing back vs aggro/burn and theres nothing more beatufil than a 1/1 Thopter equipped with Batterskull... maybe a Stormbreath..
By the way, Midn8Walker, did you end up trying out Processor Assault? How did you like it? This question is also meant for anyone else who has tested the card.
I will definitely go for 3x Assaults, local meta is heavy on Control, mostly Grixis.
In my last bigger tournament I would have been better with Roast
Need more time for more tests, will post results
I don't think the card is that great.... but I hope otherwise.
Most of the time I went 3:1 on the local FNM, sometimes just 2:2, two times 4:0 and made a "1 place behind prices"-place at the bigger tournament around (98ppl, made 27. 4:3 finish, cause of 4-5 missplays) and was always happy to play Goblins, never had a game where it was like "uhm, I can't win here".
So it worked extremely well for me - feel free to PM me if you have questions or need advise
I had most success running Atarka Gobots:
3 Ornithopter
4 Memnite
4 Signal Pest
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Reckless Bushwhacker
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Goblin Guide
4 Legion Loyalist
2 Devastating Summons
3 Atarka's Command
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Copperline Gorge
4 Mountain
3 Stomping Ground
4 Destructive Revelry
3 Genesis Chamber
2 Gut Shot
1 Electrickery
3 Shrapnel Blast
2 Grafdigger's Cage
I'd say there were not many additions in the last year to our beloved little green creatures.
Death's Shadow-Matchup is fun to play.
Most lists contain
4x Relic of Progenitus // Lightning Bolt // Skred // Mind Stone
3x Blood Moon // Anger of the Gods
1-3x Magma Jet // Eternal Scourge
and we don't apply enough pressure the early turns to support the Eidolon.
And even as a sideboardcard there should be better options than playing Eidolon
vs. Storm
- Grafdigger's Cage (Hitting Collected/Cord/etc as well)
- Dragon's Claw
- Ratchet Bomb
vs. Ad Nauseam
- Goblin Rabblemaster as a clock
- Ratchet Bomb, Crumble to Dust, Molten Rain, Blood Moon, Shatterstorm, Shattering Spree and luck
- SSG is good for a fast T1-2 Blood Moon and that's it (beside that I won 1-2times with a hardcast ssg...)
- Sarkhan... played him several times when I started with SkRed but found him never good enough to stay in my 75 beside some funny interactions aka. "Koth +1 animating your Mountain, Sarkhan -3 kills your mountain"
- you're right, since Twin is banned we don't need the extra 1dmg for Skred T3 dealing 4 to their Deceiver Exarch, Mind Stone should be the way to go (for as long as youre fine with the colorless mana, maybe would go for Coldsteel if I run the playset Deus of Calamity or something? :D)
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Legion Loyalist
4 Goblin Guide
2 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Street Wraith
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Death's Shadow
4 Bomat Courier
4 Thoughtseize
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Blood Crypt
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Marsh Flats
1 Polluted Delta
1 Arid Mesa
1 Contested War Zone
Loyalist + Death's Shadow, who needs the Piledriver anymore? :'D
Decklist as usual, tried out two Processor Assault in the Sideboard but nothing important.
Game1 vs RB-Madness/Discard (2:1)
Guy is known for cheating, drawing more cards than allowed, Faithless Looting:Draw 3 Discard 1 etc. (2:1)
Magic is hard if you have to watch everything possible, thinking 'bout every draw and stuff your opponent does -.-''
1:0
Game2 vs MonoWhiteHumans (0:2) (This guy went 4:0 and won the FNM)
Usually I have to win this, Match1 I cast 3x Anger of the Gods, 2x Skred and and and... still did not manage to win.
His deck is updated for a grindy midgame -> Ranger of Eos, Kytheon, Hero of Akros, Student of Warfare, Thraben Inspector and together with Thalia, Big Thalia and Thalia's Lieutenant...
Awesome deck, hits fast and hard but can go grindy as well, I love it
1:1
After that we played some fun matches, guess the Matchup is around 30/70-40/60, interesting deck.
Game3 vs Jund Death's Shadow (2:0)
One of the most experienced players around, always fun to play vs him, he knows every out and usually exactly what is the best way to play.
Match 1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar wins it easily, blocking Death's Shadows for years
Match 2, well Lightning Bolt is kinda useless but can take care of Lilianas, Relics are important vs Tarmogoyf and Traverse, Anger is important vs the boarded in Lingering Souls...
Boarded in Molten Rains (to go for Basics) and added Ratchet Bombs to deal with Shadow and Token. Took out the Stormbreath Dragons and Anger of the Gods -> T3 Blood Moon, T4 Molten Rain on his single Swamp, T5 Roast+Bolt on his resolved Death Shadow -> gg. (2:1)
Game4 vs Grixis Death's Shadow (2:1)
Same as above but lost match 2.
3:1
Interesting Boarding here, need the Stormbreath Dragons 'cause hes removal of choice is PtE - Relics are good vs Angler/Tasigur and Souls, Molten Rain vs Basics... I was totally confused what to do here, cut myself down to 22lands and freaked out a bit.
Summary:
- Ratchet Bomb and Blood Moon are awesome vs Death's Shadow
- Stubborn Denial... it is awesome together with the Shadow
- Roast is mostly useless vs Death's Shadow
- Processor Assault is not as good as I wished for
- I missed the Obliterate... actually thinking about playing 1 MB and 1 SB and yes, I'm serious
- Eternal Scourge is important to the deck, blocking Death's Shadow to infinity and beyond
- I have no ideas how to board vs Grixis Death's Shadow
edit: typo
Obliterate won me 4 matches on the last FNM... rekt Eldrazitron :>
...shame on me.
Of course Dismember, awesome vs. Firewalker as well vs. Tasigur, Smasher, Goyf, Death Shadow, Thought-Knot, KotR, etc...
- Pyrite Spellbomb
- Reality Hemorrhage
- Skullcrack
Junkcards (in black):
- Fodder Launch
- Warren Weirding
- Earwig Squad
Splashes for Black/White
Path to Exile <- Kytheon, Hero of Akros, Sideboardstuff
Fatal Push <- Spike Jester, Mad Auntie etc.
I don't know where you struggle, so I have to suggest things bout your metagame and stuff.
I'd cut the 4.Blood Moon, since you're not running Simian Spirit Guides and this is not the "AllInRed"-Version of the deck, we draw too often copies of this and in the old thread we figured out that 3 Moons are enough.
Go for another Dragon's Claw or Sun Droplet in the Side (I even run 4 Claws these days) if you struggle vs Burn/Storm/?
Beside that I actually love to include 1-3 Ratchet Bombs in the side, fighting through Tokens, Affinity and Co.
and to quote Emracool -> run the 4.Relic Main, it is just awesome these days (if you never kept 3 Tarmogoyfs at bay with a Relic, you will never understand what makes SkRed so awesome) and cut the yet or a bolt, probably the bolt.
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I play nearly the same deck (Difference of 3-4 cards mainboard) and half of your sideboard and it feels great at my lgs and even better at tournaments around
Serious question, I didn't board any Rain in the last 20-30games I played but I always have 3 with me :'D
You're right, the CMC is always(mostly) what you paid for the spell, means By Force has CMC of R+X and outside the stack just R.
But when chalice of the void on 1 is on the battlefield, By Force and Shattering Spree are nearly the same.
The First Spree is countered (spending R for nothing) and the Copies resolve (X times paying R for X destroyed artifacts).
On the other hand By Force can get countered (lets say by Stubborn Denial) but Shattering Spree can't because there are 5 Sprees and not only 1.
I'd say Shattering Spree is better for 99% of the time.
But when there's a Spellskite on the field or Etched Champion.... -> Vandalblast or Shatterstorm.
I'd cut one Sheets for another SnowCovered Mountain... lacked often enough for the second red mana source for Koth/Chandra/Pia when I played something similar.
I would play Godo, Bandit Warlord together with 2x Batterskull, it is embarassing to draw Godo+Batterskull and play Godo for nothing to search, I know what I'm talking
I would cut down 1 Stormbreath Dragon and ad another Land, basically 1x Scrying Sheets - felt I was often screwed playing only 22Lands, but I guess im alone These days playing 23lands.
Ad Nauseam is a quite mess of a Play... managed to steal some games the days when I had Crumble to Dust with me
- Pithing Needle on "Lightning Storm"
- Blood Moon/Molten Rain
- Assembling a clock real fast :'D
- Artifact Removal and hoping for some luck.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance is a huge Plus for this deck.
She functions as Tread -> Her Ultimate wins.
She funktions as Removal -> 4DMG to your Thought-Knot Seer
She functions as Manafix -> +1, eat my Stormbreath/Godo/Obliterate/Whatever
She functions as "Carddraw" -> +1 oh, heres an removal!
Sideboard always relays on your local meta, I like Ratchet Bomb and Grafdigger's Cage at the Moment, but managed 2-3years playing SkRed without them.
Godo+Batterskull is pretty funny, I Play it sometimes at my LGS for funny rounds, would take out 1-2 Stormbreaths and the Roast?
We can't afford to play many Cards with cmc 5 or higher.
Btw. I love Batterskull Mainboard to swing back vs aggro/burn and theres nothing more beatufil than a 1/1 Thopter equipped with Batterskull... maybe a Stormbreath..
I will definitely go for 3x Assaults, local meta is heavy on Control, mostly Grixis.
In my last bigger tournament I would have been better with Roast
Need more time for more tests, will post results
I don't think the card is that great.... but I hope otherwise.