MTG Salvation

Played a 30 man local tournament today, went 4-0-1, splitted in finals against another Mardu pyro.

Played against Jund, Storm, Grixis Shadow and Eldrazi & Taxes.

I was running this list (no blood moons, no manamorphose):



Loving this setup.

I played BBE Jund on my last 3 tournaments and got destroyed on every one of them. Went 1-4, 1-2-1 and 2-3. So i decided to jump back to Mardu, since the last time i played it, i had great results.

I think its a great deck atm. This is the way i look at it:

VS control: we got more discard than Jund. We got souls and tons of tokens. On top of that, Reveler.
VS midrange: we got tokens for days and more removal for goyfs, bobs what have you. I play moonless list with 4 pushes too. I missed pushes so much in jund.
VS combo: we got more discard.
VS tron: same ***** as midrange unless you play blood moons.
VS creature decks: we got more removal and chumps for days.

Any way i look at it, i see this deck outperforming Jund in my humble mind.

Im looking forward to what FlyingDelver has to say about that though

I see everyone dropping Terminate. But i cant see myself cutting it. Its the best creature removal, hits everything from smallies to fatties. How do we deal with shadows, goyfs, tasigurs, anglers, TKS, reality smashers if we run no terminates, no decays and really limited pushes? I dont think i wanna bank everything on liliana or hoping to draw that clunky 3 mana pulse for 1 creature. I felt vulnerable to fatties when i was running reid abzan (with no paths). I dont wanna feel that way with jund. I wanna have the answers. Thats why i will always be running at least 2 pushes and 2 terminates.

I felt the same way. I cut main Lily Last Hope for a second push. Ofc Lili goes to my SB. plus it lowers my curve since i play 24 lands and makes bob less painful. I'm thinking of cutting a bolt and running 3/3 bolt push split.

Did Paul Cheon's BG rock not run confidants AND flayers? Or did he just never draw them?

I'm really thinking about radical changes, i would try and playtest.

Some of those are:
- 7-8 discard maindeck; to counter control matchups. I really enjoyed the 8 discard in BG rock or Mardu Pyro. Downside is cascading in discard in other matchups pre-sb.

- playing 4 grim flayers. I would love to try how the deck-stacking for BBE would feel. Plus it could make us more aggressive. Another Upside is not losing life to bob. (i know greatness at any cost bla bla, but its just a thought and i feel a lot of ppl just play bob because jund always played bob - abzan used to play flayer and 0 bob and it was fine) Dont get me wrong, i love bob. But i just wanna explore different options.

- playing maindeck Finks (instead of oozses?) Adding more 2 for 1 cards to our deck, sick cascades, and better aggro/burn and agruably grind matchups. Downside is no GY hate maindeck.

Just some options that came to mind, i hope i am not gonna get too much ***** for this post because im challenging some jund fundamentals. Or maybe im just salty about my losses today.

got rekt today by playing the same build as FlyingDelver posted.

G1: lost against mirror, nothing i could do
G2: lost against affinity, didnt expect blood moon in SB
G3: lost against grixis shadow, mull to 5 twice
G4: lost against blue moon. He had answer for EVERYTHING i played. Game 2 he slammed Keranos and gg

I had to mull A LOT today.. i hope its just a bad day

I feel im gonna trust my gut and go down to 24 lands and 3 BBE. And add Dreadbore/second push and another discard(back up to 6)

sadpanda

Why are we not hyping up Thrun, since we expect a lot of control?

Gonna try the reid duke build on monday.

Quote from purklefluff »

Call me controversial but I'm still going to be running a 4/2 split of inquisition and thoughtseize.

Me too. Like master Duke said, who also posted a list with 4 inquisitions, i dont wanna give up too much on my aggro matchups.

Especially now that bobs will be hitting harder

I'm thinking about running this on my next tournament on monday:



What do you think about running 2 Raging Ravine and 1 Treetop Village?
The amount of 3-4 drop bothers me a little so maybe move LtLH to SB and add Ooze/CB Main?

choke can be cascarded into, boil cant

Why not 3rd ooze?

Your list has 17 black sources. I think that's not enough by our "centralized BGx midrange" standards to reliably cast liliana on turn 3
Dunno about FoR

But other than the land cards look great

Is anyone else worried that in grindy matchups our curve with 4 BBE and 4 BOB might be painful? Especially with only 2 oozes for lifegain? I'm thinking about 3 Bob 2 Flayer 3 BBE split.. Since im really interested in the flayer/BBE interaction. Opinions?