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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 26/08/2019)
    I think the bans were all spot on, to be frank. As for tron, the Urza lands need to get banned, but that is a completely different subject.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on I think it's about time someone says it
    I've actually played a game that has creature combat and has a lot of similarities to MTG called Force of Will. The problem with simply allowing creatures to be attacked is that it changes the dynamic entirely on how combat works. It also drags games out and makes them last longer by making match ups against other types of decks outside of control last longer.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Permeating Mass in my spirits deck works wonders at stopping people from doing non-interactive things. Comboing that with Reality Shift and I think someone who expects to just face roll will probably want to scream into space using a hogaak deck. Once that mass starts doing it's thing, it just doesn't stop. Best part is that since they released SoulHerder, I can actually undo the damage on my field if I really need to. :p
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on MYTHIC CHAMPIONSHIP London new mulligan rule test in Modern & Limited
    starting with a treasure token if you go 2nd helps a ton. It makes it way less a problem if someone has a turn 1 Thought Seize or other discard, which right now the only way to deal with is with a Force of Negation in modern. They probably wouldn't need a force cycle.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    The thing that has me a bit worried with the ban and restricted list is that they almost never unban a card. Bridge from below will likely not come off the list, and if they add Hedron Crab to "weaken hogaak" decks I know a few people that will be rather ticked.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Keep in mind distributors and stores have a relationship that can vary in quality. Depending on the situation, he could be getting hosed hardcore and the product is funneled elsewhere, or the owners simply favor standard and are trying to push core 2020 out the door. Believe me, that set needs all the help it can get right now because it went off allocation super early and it still isn't selling well. I'm just waiting for people to start beating the drum that core sets are bad when the same situation happened with every summer set ever printed, regardless if it was a core set or not. rollout
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Wizards of the Coast never unbans a card to fix a meta. They almost always ban cards when a deck is taking up too much of the field, and the situation with Hogaak is pretty much a 100% death knell for the card. The mistake was banning Bridge from Below instead of Hogaak himself in order to keep modern horizons sales going.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Not sure what people are saying about supply being constrained on modern horizons. It seems like it is in stock at distributors.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    I still don't know why they printed Hoggaak. That was a bad idea from the start since it is a graveyard creature that can be free cast in a format where people can dump an enormous amount of resources into the graveyard for nearly nothing. Did they seriously think reprinting Leyline of the Void would fix anything? Leyline was in the format for ages and we still had dredge and phoenix in the format, regardless. Of course, it doesn't help that Hogaak decks can run Force of Vigor and destroy the leyline for free, basically.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    I got the whole set on pre-order before the spoilers were sent out. Right now the initial supply is really low for some reason so prices are climbing to 160-170 a set with people getting orders cancelled. I don't see this set doing better than commander 2018, so if anyone wants to buy the set, please look at the prices on the secondary market for the majority of the cards in those sets now. I'm 100% sure if people just sit and wait, the prices are going to basically collapse on all the commander decks except maybe two cards or something. It's really bad.

    The thing is people can argue all they want on the side of justifying the lack of proper value cards. There has to be value based cards in the set that are a known quantity for a commander product to be successful. Commander 2015 and 2016 were excellent sets and they kept selling to the point of being very scarce late season. Commander 2018 was stuck on the shelves for up to probably 2 months ago. Think about that before stepping into buying a commander 2019 deck at inflated prices because WoTC and distributors screwed up.

    This really is complete crap. Sorry, but WoTC basically carted Gavin out to showcase Seedborn Muse, knowing that people would then assume they would have at least something on par with commander 2017 this season, and then they gave us absolute garbage after pre-orders were already done. No one should trust Wizards of the Coast on anything they say about a product after this point. They've done this way too much and they do know about the secondary market and the value the cards have on a product. Otherwise, they wouldn't have ever made the Modern Masters series and created the concept that "modern" means "premium" as a product.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    The expensive cards for EDH are not necessarily expensive because they are competitive cards. They are simply expensive because they go in so many decks. Cards like Eternal Witness are almost universally played, yet no reprint? Talisman of Progress, Rhystic Study, Toxic Deluge, Thought Vessel, or Aura shards?
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from Arctanis8 »
    I think everyone should stop and remember what their first experience of EDH was when thinking of who these decks are for. I'm not sure how many started with 2011, but I started there. My first deck was Zedruu (exchange.dec) which won with Storm Herd. I didn't have to worry about getting beatdown by cEDH decks because there was no such thing. Fast forward a few years, and it's easy to see how newer players are denied the experience of playing a deck out of the box and slowly tuning it to their liking. I think the best remedy as someone mentioned earlier would be to communicate what type of playgroup / playstyle you're sitting with and adjust accordingly. Don't play cEDH decks against new players.

    I'm very curious to see how everyone ranks the Commander products. I'm sure as a community we'd be all over the map. It seems like reprints are the thing that people consider the most when deciding whether a product is successful. That's interesting, since I've always felt like the commanders and new cards were the most important (and I know this is just my opinion). Perhaps that's why 2018 is viewed with such a negative lens? I felt that set was 4th best behind 2011, 2013 and 2016.


    The issue is that the game has enough cards as is that people need for commander decks and reprinting cards that are basically replaceable bulk is not helping the commander community. Commander players love new cards, but they also want old cards that are not readily available. Every single blasted reprint in this set felt like it was from some massively opened set in the last two years, when the cards people need are things like Cyclonic Rift, Chromatic Lantern, allied pain lands, Mana Echoes, Sylvan Tutor, Cruel Tutor, etc.

    Basically, they are saving anything with even the smell of a high secondary market price now for premium products. That is what is killing everything else.


    Tutors, specifically the good ones, are never going to find their way into a precon, expecting otherwise is just setting yourself up for disappointment. And why would we get Mana Echoes? Any particular reason to include a tribal card in a set without tribal support? And I already said my piece on C.Rift.

    I mean, this is a premium product. Getting reprinted here isn’t going drive prices down anymore than they would if they were printed in a masters set. Beyond that, people will just buy these and re-sell them way over the MSRP, robbing the target audience of getting their hands on the “needed reprints to compete”, which is just so damn funny that people actually think that.


    They are examples, not hardline includes in the decks, of what constitutes a good reprint.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from Arctanis8 »
    I think everyone should stop and remember what their first experience of EDH was when thinking of who these decks are for. I'm not sure how many started with 2011, but I started there. My first deck was Zedruu (exchange.dec) which won with Storm Herd. I didn't have to worry about getting beatdown by cEDH decks because there was no such thing. Fast forward a few years, and it's easy to see how newer players are denied the experience of playing a deck out of the box and slowly tuning it to their liking. I think the best remedy as someone mentioned earlier would be to communicate what type of playgroup / playstyle you're sitting with and adjust accordingly. Don't play cEDH decks against new players.

    I'm very curious to see how everyone ranks the Commander products. I'm sure as a community we'd be all over the map. It seems like reprints are the thing that people consider the most when deciding whether a product is successful. That's interesting, since I've always felt like the commanders and new cards were the most important (and I know this is just my opinion). Perhaps that's why 2018 is viewed with such a negative lens? I felt that set was 4th best behind 2011, 2013 and 2016.


    The issue is that the game has enough cards as is that people need for commander decks and reprinting cards that are basically replaceable bulk is not helping the commander community. Commander players love new cards, but they also want old cards that are not readily available. Every single blasted reprint in this set felt like it was from some massively opened set in the last two years, when the cards people need are things like Cyclonic Rift, Chromatic Lantern, allied pain lands, Mana Echoes, Sylvan Tutor, Cruel Tutor, etc.

    Basically, they are saving anything with even the smell of a high secondary market price now for premium products. That is what is killing everything else.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Before people jump on wrenn and styx, keep in mind the reason the price of the singles are outpacing the boxes is due to skittishness on distributors who are tired of wotc shoveling so much product at them during the summer.

    The situation is like pre 2013 magic singles, which just cant hold. Either the box price goes up or the cards come down from mass opening.

    The box EV is 20 dollars below ultimate masters without the box topper.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Quote from icehippo »
    Bridge was the obvious choice but not because of any reason listed by wizards or anyone here. It was the obvious choice because wizards always bans the oldest card. Hogaak is brand new, altar is new to modern, and bridge was already around. With the exception of Treasure cruise and dig through time, I can’t think of a single time the format broke because new cards busted previously unbroken things and it was the new cards that got the ax. Wotc doesn’t take action against the newest cards unless it absolutely, unquestionably, without any shadow of doubt have to.


    Well, yeah. The choice would ultimately come down to either banning the brand new card or banning the older one. It makes no sense to ban the new card that just got released into modern as it would hurt the bottom line of the sealed product sales such as with what happened during Kaladesh Era. They even pulled out a new PR figure to take peoples attention away from Maro with Gavin, so you know it was a big deal internally as well.

    The thing is that isn't something to demonize, though. That's literally someone making the right decision so that they still have a job and money on the table. The kind of thing to really grill them on is not banning Faithless looting. Yes, they don't want to kill graveyard decks in modern, but I just have to ask why? I just don't get the reasoning.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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