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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Before people jump on wrenn and styx, keep in mind the reason the price of the singles are outpacing the boxes is due to skittishness on distributors who are tired of wotc shoveling so much product at them during the summer.

    The situation is like pre 2013 magic singles, which just cant hold. Either the box price goes up or the cards come down from mass opening.

    The box EV is 20 dollars below ultimate masters without the box topper.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Quote from icehippo »
    Bridge was the obvious choice but not because of any reason listed by wizards or anyone here. It was the obvious choice because wizards always bans the oldest card. Hogaak is brand new, altar is new to modern, and bridge was already around. With the exception of Treasure cruise and dig through time, I can’t think of a single time the format broke because new cards busted previously unbroken things and it was the new cards that got the ax. Wotc doesn’t take action against the newest cards unless it absolutely, unquestionably, without any shadow of doubt have to.


    Well, yeah. The choice would ultimately come down to either banning the brand new card or banning the older one. It makes no sense to ban the new card that just got released into modern as it would hurt the bottom line of the sealed product sales such as with what happened during Kaladesh Era. They even pulled out a new PR figure to take peoples attention away from Maro with Gavin, so you know it was a big deal internally as well.

    The thing is that isn't something to demonize, though. That's literally someone making the right decision so that they still have a job and money on the table. The kind of thing to really grill them on is not banning Faithless looting. Yes, they don't want to kill graveyard decks in modern, but I just have to ask why? I just don't get the reasoning.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I think the market is pretty strong right now so selling out should work in your favor.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    I agreed with the article that bridge is the most likely card to become problematic mostly due to how weird it really is. It was basically equivalent to an unglued card when it got released because it is an enchantment that you never want on the field and operates on a very odd angle mechanically. Even dredge isn't as weird as that card.

    To put this in perspective, there was a card in unstable that splits the main deck into four parts. I think bridge is weirder than that.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    It's important to remember that wizards does not want to be bound to the past and that has been a constant source of drama the past few years. Both set and ban decisions pivot around this desire.

    I know this is not the popular opinion around here, but as much as I loved the idea of an eternal paradise where all my cards are playable, modern and legacy have proven that such a thing is not viable. Even if someone were to buy all the top tier cards now, that desire to not be held to the past will eventually mean a rotation will happen, and that rotation can cost someone hundreds of dollars if they follow the competitive scene.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Banning Bridge from Below was the right thing to do, but I still think wizards is a bit too disingenuous with their banning decisions. I've talked to a few card game designers and one of the big problems that always comes up is that short term thinking shoppers love high powered cards, so the marketing side always pushes for more broken cards to enter the game. But then there is the part where people actually play the game, and in the long run powerful and broken cards actually degrade the entire experience. This is especially true if the card gets dominant.

    Spoilers came out, people saw Hogaak, and even though the market didn't really react right away to it even I could see it would be broken with bridge from below as a component to some shell. If someone like me can see that, I don't know how a game developer couldn't, so most likely it got printed because of the marketing side and not the design side.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I've started to realize that spending money chasing the hype cards is a bad plan in general. Watched a seminar on hook, habit, hobby marketing strategies and realized that most of this is psychological manipulation.

    The big problem is the company went full EA on the community post modern masters 2 and decided they can create artificially high prices by setting a high box price, and now they are going into making special mythic edition super limited print run boxes. I'm genuinely afraid of where the game is going.

    They even introduced an arena season pass now to get the hooks in deeper on arena.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Mystic Forge - Eternal Central
    I actually like this card in eldrazi decks. It plays well with devoid and you generally got at least some ramp in those decks to help speed them up.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    Quote from Boreez »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Wait, someone thinks this is NOT competitive?! This is definitely competitive. You have to think of it as a 4/4 flier on turn 3 kind of like what the current Djinn in standard is like. You can literally just play her turn 3, +2 her, and drop a 4/4 flier on turn 4.


    So which one is it?

    Because a 4/4 flier on turn 3 would be pretty good, but hardly game-breaking (Tempest Djinn being the obvious example, and you can even get what's effectively a 5/4 flier on turn 3 with upside using Spawn of Mayhem).

    But spending your turn 3 to get a 4/4 flier on turn 4? That in itself is not playable, and if that's what you're going to do with her, you're not going to ultimate her.

    The ultimate is tempting, because it can concievably be done on turn 6. But you can't both see this card as an an early flier and a race to the ultimate. It's either or.



    The answer is both. We have to look at the floor and the ceiling with the card and I feel it can replace a djinn turn 3 or 4 depending on what you are doing. Personally, I like her in simic because she benefits a lot from the proliferate mechanic, hence why she has the two loyalty.

    Is it a 15 dollar tier 1 Walker in standard this summer before rotation? No, go put money down on leylines you crazy person. That price is from FOMO and preorder hype. But if someone played this on the field on curve I have to deal with it and it can tick up to four, meaning you are burning at least a fight with fire. Turn 4 kefnet afterwards? Ouch.

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Lotus Field - Weekly MTG
    It would be interesting to use in Scapeshift decks. This set feels like an overflow set for what they couldn't stuff into Modern Horizons to some degree.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    Blue tempo you are dropping her along with pterramander and other dangerous threats. To put it bluntly, the point you made on her making birds is interesting since the math makes her very bad as a token generator. Her second ability is literally the payoff, and people will want to kill her before she gets that flier online as it will probably swing for lethal.

    Control token generating walkers are things like Tezzeret, where it boosts their loyalty and throws a chump blocker on the field, or the six drop fat walkers that can just end the game on their own. Mu just cant tango with the big boys and live.

    Could someone use her in a control build? Yeah, but control shells are the most wide open buggers when it comes to win cons. If someone wanted to win off mill, they could take a control deck and chuck some jank thing in at the end just to watch the opponent go into table flip mode.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    Wait, someone thinks this is NOT competitive?! This is definitely competitive. You have to think of it as a 4/4 flier on turn 3 kind of like what the current Djinn in standard is like. You can literally just play her turn 3, +2 her, and drop a 4/4 flier on turn 4. The only reason she wont see play right away this season is because Mono-blue has the three drop djinn. She's basically an aggro walker and isn't trying to do something like Liliana, The Last Hope, where she is killing creatures and trying to reanimate something in a mid-game strategy.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    She is pretty decent when facing aggressive archetypes. Sometimes all you want is a road block to hold out a turn. She is threatening enough to warrant punching out, can tick up rather aggressively, and can generate a win con if the opponent doesn't act against her.

    She is not as good as Liliana the last hope because she can only stall, not outright kill small creatures. For that you need to pair her with removal of some sort.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on End of an Era
    Will we get the new community site link here? I'm assuming it will get posted when it is far enough along.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from Spsiegel1987 »
    Yeah, who thought Narset would be the star of the set. No one blinked an eye when she was spoiled. Definitely missed that boat. She's being played in all major formats.

    There was lots of talk about her almost immediately at my LGS. But we have a lot of various blue cantrip decks, and many who also play cantrip-heavy Legacy decks, so she seemed like a hit from the getgo. We all saw that it would hose our decks and be great in the mirrors.

    I'm just happy she's an uncommon, so she is dirt cheap and widely available.


    Hmm, asking since I'm not sure what to do..

    Are the jap alternate art walkers a limited thing. Or are they eventually going to flood the market? If they are going to be limited in print, I'm getting one now. But will wait if the print run would be large. Thanks.


    The problem is the availability of the boxes. I think they had a printing snafu from the new card stock getting introduced and they didn't get the Japanese boxes out on the first wave. The next wave is on the newer stock.
    Posted in: Modern
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