If your X is 3, you can ONLY tutor cmc 3, and so on.
Every card is a different name so its not like you can grab 3 shamans, which would be pretty cool.
Make it not just worse than coco and lead but pretty much, imho, unplayable. This is probably going to be a combo card of some sort, but its not an elves card.
Would've been sort of good if it was an instant. Lead is a much more potent sorcery.
I'm on a pretty stock list for Abzan elves. The white is mainly for SB cards. What are our SB options vs Death's Shadow decks?
First would definitely be Chameleon Colossus, solid all-around card versus decks with a high volume of black removal, does not die to Bolt, can block Shadow for days and it's an elf. Second is premium removal, Abrupt Decay, Path to Exile and Fatal Push as you only have a small window to kill a Shadow with Dismember. On the play, you can always board in Aven Mindcensor or Eidolon of Rhetoric.
Which combo are you referring to? Vizier + Devoted Druid? You can report that here, I think. People look for results and reports and it's always good to see how other variations play out.
MDP is Magic Dreams Portal right? We should make a Facebook group. I know a few others that play Elves.
Yes, MDP is my LGS. I'm using Cloudstone Curio as a combo enabler. I find it more reliable than devoted vizier. I am a combo and elf lover that is maybe because of my attachment to legacy elf when Im still playing legacy. I tried all combo possible in an elf deck and curio version is the one I find more explosive and reliable. I could give you my list if you wish. Curd has made a separate thread for the combo version of elves way back because of the split of players playing different approach.. and my deck is in between of those 2 version..
Mind posting a decklist? I'm curious on how you built something between two different versions.
How is it going for you? Staff of Domination seems too cute. For 3 mana, I'd rather just play Archdruid, Ezuri or Shaman, widens the board and keeps you close to lethal.
EDIT: Just realized you have 4 Spellskites and 4 Spirits. Aren't you better off having Heritage Druid and Nettle Sentinel in those spots?
Which combo are you referring to? Vizier + Devoted Druid? You can report that here, I think. People look for results and reports and it's always good to see how other variations play out.
MDP is Magic Dreams Portal right? We should make a Facebook group. I know a few others that play Elves.
I play at Block 101 sometimes too! Add me up on Facebook so you can reach me easily if you have more questions. Sending you a link of my profile via PM.
The reason for this is that you probably have Shaman of the Pack in the main deck while your white cards come from the side board. You need to consistently cast Shaman while you can Chord for our bullets. I also suggest having the least number of noncreature spells in your sideboard as this dilutes your Leads and CoCo's. You should probably get Caverns as soon as possible as Chalice and control decks are rampant here in PH meta.
Round 1: v Abzan Company (favored) DRAW
G1: He tried beating me down with Voice of Resurgence while I build my board up. He ended losing the race as I overran him after building a board of 5 little elves and Archdruid.
G2: This really wasn't his best match-up as he saw next to no action. Maybe kept a bad hand? 1-0
Round 2: v RW Prison? (not sure) PLAY
G1: T1 he laid down a Leyline of Sanctity so I knew he was some sort of pillowfort deck. Then he put Gideon of Trials t3. We had a bit of a shake-up since I played Shaman t2 and we both missed the Leyline. We decided to not call a judge and keep the game as is. T4 kill here.
G2: He had a really oppressive hand. Pithing Needle, Blood Moon, Runed Halo, Stasis Snare. I had two Shamans on the board and he was down to 11 when he cast Halo. I also held another Shaman with no other wincons in sight. Fortunately, I drew a Lead into Rec Sage attacking and then slamming down Shaman for the win 2-0
Round 3: Burn (50-50) DRAW
G1: He got me down to one with Guide and Swiftspear + spells while he was still at a healthy 13. He had no cards in hand and no board so I cast Coco at his end step getting two Archdruids while holding an Ezuri.
G2: Mull'd to 6 while he mull'd to 5. His hand was really explosive plus his live draws. Didn't manage to get a board going.
G3: T1 mystic, T2 heritage, nettle into dwynen's and Archdruid. He scooped. He had all creatures in his hand and literally no spells. 3-0
Round 4: Death and Taxes (favored) PLAY
G1: He got me down to 5 by beating my face with Flickerwisp and Copter. At T4, I had a pretty wide board just without Ezuri. Drew one, swung for 30+ dmg
G2: I Rec Sage'd his Vial t2, he plays a Copter and Leonin Arbiter. He tried Ghost Quartering my land. I dismembered his arbiter in response. He played another Copter next turn. Swung for lethal T4 4-0
Round 5: Affinity (slightly unfavored) DRAW
G1: Mull'd to 5, kept the game close despite being down two cards and being on the draw. He managed to close me out with Etched Champion. He missed lethal though as I couldn't have blocked Champion with him having a lot of stuff plus Ravager on board. Would've won if I had one more turn.
G2: Kataki, Fracturing Gust blowout.
G3: I mull's a bad hand into a REALLY good hand, potentially killing T3. He opened up with Vault Skirge, me with Elvish Mystic. 2nd turn he put glimmervoid , attacked and passed. I should've known better since this was a hand Affinity players doesn't keep. T2 I laid down Heritage, Dwynen's into Archdruid, clutching an Ezuri which was lethal next turn. Next turn, he Whipflares me. I should've thought harder. I was too excited about my hand and him having one creature. I didn't suspect him having Whipflare. *GOD THIS STILL MAKES ME SALTY AS F*CK JUST TYPING IT HERE* 4-1
Round 6:
I got paired down last round so my chances of top 8 was slim if we drew. My opponent begged me to not play the game but he wanted to top 8 (douchebag move, I know) so we decided to split the prizes. Got 3x my entry fee plus tons of experience. Moving forward, that Affinity round was a lesson to be learned. Hopefully, those of you that read this will learn from it too. It really sucks. Lol. 4-2
Changes that I'm planning to make:
Mainboard: none
Sideboard: maybe find a room for one more Reclamation Sage. Kitchen Finks was an all-star all day. I'm thinking of adding Creeping Corrosion. Maybe removing Glissa.
Overall, I'm happy with the consistency of the deck, except for that mulligan to 5 versus Affinity. I think this was due to me having randomly deckchecked as the Judges piled my stuff together. Fetches and shocks didn't matter that much vs Burn as long as you know how to manage your life total as a resource rather than being defesive all the time. That Affinity blowout though. Damn.
EDIT: I'm too lazy to put in how I sideboarded. If you got any questions, feel free to ask.
I feel like even if Jarad cost BGG, he probably still wouldn't make the cut. You already have a few things for mass destruction, like Ezuri regeneration or Chord for Selfless Spirit (and BfT for Red based). I realize that Damnation doesn't allow for regeneration, so throw Ezuri out of the equation there, but Damnation is rarely played anyway. I'd be more worried about Anger of the Gods or even Kozilek's Return out of the Shadow SB.
Question for y'all. Those who run the strict GB version, have you ever done a combination of Thoughtseize and Abrupt Decay in the SB? Worked well in Legacy, but maybe it's not best here.
No i don't do noncreature silver bullets unless they are a serious instawin: Fracturing Gust, for example. The reason being that the 15 slots are so efficiently used by 1-ofs that can be chorded for, that I feel very inefficient if I need multiples of noncreature spells to only gain incremental advantage. For example, what am I trying to do with an abrupt decay? If I'm worried about Death's shadow, then I need to count on drawing it, so do I run 4? If I do run 4, who do I board out without hitting my plan A too badly? So this train of thought will instead lead me to board a single Narnam Renegade or Glissa, the traitor.
When it comes to thoughtseize, we're typically trying to catch boardwipes or combo, which can be caught with Selfless spirit or silver bullet creatures such as Eidolon of Rhetoric. All this using 4 mainboard spells, which means we can toolbox or go for the kill without compromising our 60 cards significantly.
Wow, I've never thought of it that way! Awesome stuff.
I actually, I ran Abzan (currently testing GB again), and I never had problems casting my silver bullet cards. Even ran Stony Silence and RIP in the side for a while. The manabase is on the primer, "pinned" post.
EDIT: here
Lands (18):
2 Blooming Marsh
4 Gilt-Leaf Palace
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Forest
2 Razorverge Thicket
I like how this thread is going. Discussing blue builds, Throne, and Devoted Druid combo. I'm personally gonna try them all out after my exams. Will post the results here. Also, if you guys are gonna be in GP Manila and want to have some company, just PM me here or on Discord.
Would've been sort of good if it was an instant. Lead is a much more potent sorcery.
First would definitely be Chameleon Colossus, solid all-around card versus decks with a high volume of black removal, does not die to Bolt, can block Shadow for days and it's an elf. Second is premium removal, Abrupt Decay, Path to Exile and Fatal Push as you only have a small window to kill a Shadow with Dismember. On the play, you can always board in Aven Mindcensor or Eidolon of Rhetoric.
EDIT: spelling and grammatical errors
Mind posting a decklist? I'm curious on how you built something between two different versions.
How is it going for you? Staff of Domination seems too cute. For 3 mana, I'd rather just play Archdruid, Ezuri or Shaman, widens the board and keeps you close to lethal.
EDIT: Just realized you have 4 Spellskites and 4 Spirits. Aren't you better off having Heritage Druid and Nettle Sentinel in those spots?
Which combo are you referring to? Vizier + Devoted Druid? You can report that here, I think. People look for results and reports and it's always good to see how other variations play out.
MDP is Magic Dreams Portal right? We should make a Facebook group. I know a few others that play Elves.
Hi bro! Where do you play? I suggest fine-tuning your own first. However, I can suggest this land base:
4 Blooming Marsh
4 Windswept Heath
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Temple Garden
3 Forest
1 flex spot
The reason for this is that you probably have Shaman of the Pack in the main deck while your white cards come from the side board. You need to consistently cast Shaman while you can Chord for our bullets. I also suggest having the least number of noncreature spells in your sideboard as this dilutes your Leads and CoCo's. You should probably get Caverns as soon as possible as Chalice and control decks are rampant here in PH meta.
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Heritage Druid
4 Dwynen's Elite
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Shaman of the Pack
3 Nettle Sentinel
3 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
2 Elvish Visionary
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Eternal Witness
3 Chord of Calling
4 Collected Company
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Gilt-Leaf Palace
3 Windswept Heath
1 Temple Garden
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Forest
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Spellskite
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Elvish Champion
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Chameleon Colossus
2 Dismember
1 Fracturing Gust
Round 1: v Abzan Company (favored) DRAW
G1: He tried beating me down with Voice of Resurgence while I build my board up. He ended losing the race as I overran him after building a board of 5 little elves and Archdruid.
G2: This really wasn't his best match-up as he saw next to no action. Maybe kept a bad hand?
1-0
Round 2: v RW Prison? (not sure) PLAY
G1: T1 he laid down a Leyline of Sanctity so I knew he was some sort of pillowfort deck. Then he put Gideon of Trials t3. We had a bit of a shake-up since I played Shaman t2 and we both missed the Leyline. We decided to not call a judge and keep the game as is. T4 kill here.
G2: He had a really oppressive hand. Pithing Needle, Blood Moon, Runed Halo, Stasis Snare. I had two Shamans on the board and he was down to 11 when he cast Halo. I also held another Shaman with no other wincons in sight. Fortunately, I drew a Lead into Rec Sage attacking and then slamming down Shaman for the win
2-0
Round 3: Burn (50-50) DRAW
G1: He got me down to one with Guide and Swiftspear + spells while he was still at a healthy 13. He had no cards in hand and no board so I cast Coco at his end step getting two Archdruids while holding an Ezuri.
G2: Mull'd to 6 while he mull'd to 5. His hand was really explosive plus his live draws. Didn't manage to get a board going.
G3: T1 mystic, T2 heritage, nettle into dwynen's and Archdruid. He scooped. He had all creatures in his hand and literally no spells.
3-0
Round 4: Death and Taxes (favored) PLAY
G1: He got me down to 5 by beating my face with Flickerwisp and Copter. At T4, I had a pretty wide board just without Ezuri. Drew one, swung for 30+ dmg
G2: I Rec Sage'd his Vial t2, he plays a Copter and Leonin Arbiter. He tried Ghost Quartering my land. I dismembered his arbiter in response. He played another Copter next turn. Swung for lethal T4
4-0
Round 5: Affinity (slightly unfavored) DRAW
G1: Mull'd to 5, kept the game close despite being down two cards and being on the draw. He managed to close me out with Etched Champion. He missed lethal though as I couldn't have blocked Champion with him having a lot of stuff plus Ravager on board. Would've won if I had one more turn.
G2: Kataki, Fracturing Gust blowout.
G3: I mull's a bad hand into a REALLY good hand, potentially killing T3. He opened up with Vault Skirge, me with Elvish Mystic. 2nd turn he put glimmervoid , attacked and passed. I should've known better since this was a hand Affinity players doesn't keep. T2 I laid down Heritage, Dwynen's into Archdruid, clutching an Ezuri which was lethal next turn. Next turn, he Whipflares me. I should've thought harder. I was too excited about my hand and him having one creature. I didn't suspect him having Whipflare. *GOD THIS STILL MAKES ME SALTY AS F*CK JUST TYPING IT HERE*
4-1
Round 6:
I got paired down last round so my chances of top 8 was slim if we drew. My opponent begged me to not play the game but he wanted to top 8 (douchebag move, I know) so we decided to split the prizes. Got 3x my entry fee plus tons of experience. Moving forward, that Affinity round was a lesson to be learned. Hopefully, those of you that read this will learn from it too. It really sucks. Lol.
4-2
Changes that I'm planning to make:
Mainboard: none
Sideboard: maybe find a room for one more Reclamation Sage. Kitchen Finks was an all-star all day. I'm thinking of adding Creeping Corrosion. Maybe removing Glissa.
Overall, I'm happy with the consistency of the deck, except for that mulligan to 5 versus Affinity. I think this was due to me having randomly deckchecked as the Judges piled my stuff together. Fetches and shocks didn't matter that much vs Burn as long as you know how to manage your life total as a resource rather than being defesive all the time. That Affinity blowout though. Damn.
EDIT: I'm too lazy to put in how I sideboarded. If you got any questions, feel free to ask.
3 Windswept Heath
1 Temple Garden
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Pendelhaven
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Gilt-Leaf Palace
2 Forest
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Spellskite
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Elvish Champion
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Fracturing Gust
1 Nissa, Vital Force
1 Chameleon Colossus
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Kitchen Finks
Wow, I've never thought of it that way! Awesome stuff.
EDIT: here
Lands (18):
2 Blooming Marsh
4 Gilt-Leaf Palace
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Forest
2 Razorverge Thicket