Quote from Magik0722 »Sure heres how it goes down.
For when you have champion and forger in play:
if you can make WWR heres what you get with forger
first you get desperate ritual and get WRRR
then you get manamorphose to filter and get WWRR
then you get repeated reverberations and have RW
then you get manamorphose and get 2 copies to draw 3 and get RRRWWW
then you get 3 activations to get another reverbations if you have it and another manamorphose to increase your mana even more, then you can get boros charm to give him double strike and then use fist of flames on it to give it trample and alot of attack. Usually ends up being a 13/1 with double strike and trample.
if you only have RW available but can get up to WWR you can first get chance for glory and attempt the combo above on the following turn.
if its really late into the game you can get reverberations into another reverberations then cast a boros charm to get 7 copies doing 4 damage each.
Quote from cfusionpm »Quote from LeoTzu »I'm curious to see the reasoning on why we should have such opposition to having to run gravehate.Because multiple previous decks have been banned for what Hogaak is doing. And the abuse of the graveyard was specifically cited (albeit ham fistedly, and in-line with my above criticism of their logic) as a justification for banning a deck. Nothing matters any more. Consistency is irrelevant.
Quote from LeoTzu »I'm curious to see the reasoning on why we should have such opposition to having to run gravehate.
Quote from The Fluff »Quote from tronix »just gotta say wizards missed an opportunity with force of despair. could have easily tagged on an exile clause to give it applications against GY creature decks.
they probably want to keep W the main source of battlefield creature exile effects.
About Modern Horizons. I'm pleased with it. Plenty new cards to test, and the horizon lands. Glad to have more ninjas, as the tribe badly needs it after 14 years of no new modern playable ninja. Null rod ouphe, so even mono green budget decks have ways to fight tron and harden scales. Liking the new changelings and fairy as well.
Quote from tronix »just gotta say wizards missed an opportunity with force of despair. could have easily tagged on an exile clause to give it applications against GY creature decks.
Quote from DaveJacinto »I was discussing this event with a couple of friends and for some reason I ended up defending the deck. I surely believe it's way too early for a ban but it's a deck that is doing really obnoxious things. It attacks through multiple angles and it's required a considerate amount of hate/interaction to win.
Regardless, the discussion was that the deck that was in number one on the Challenge was a UW Control with 4 snapcasters and 2 surgicals mainboard. One of my friends reply to that was that if we are mainboarding hate it means that the format is busted. That made me wonder...
Is the format broken? If we look at legacy... Force of Will is the safety valve of the format, a free spell that interacts with the degenerate stuff that happen in the format. In legacy the stack is where the degenerate decks win from... In modern our stack is the graveyard. Can't we accept that maybe we should just be playing Surgicals main?
If we really think about it Surgical is 100% analogue to Force of Will in legacy. It's card disadvantage, free, instant speed, costs life, deals with the degenerate stuff that happen in the format while being somewhat mediocre to bad in the fair match ups. It's also a card that we sideboard out in a lot of matches.
Probably I'll get some bash over this but it's a different point of view. To be honest it eases my mind looking at things this way. My only grief is that surgicals are super expensive (same as force of will) and playing 4 is a big hit in the budget.
Quote from BloodyRabbit_01 »[quote
Adding consistency to an opener DOES make any deck more aggressive.
It's primarly an undercosted beater. Most and foremost. That turns into a big threat if we draw it from the midgame on. It could be good, could be bad, but that's it.
Quote from BloodyRabbit_01 »
Ehr, I wholehearthedly disagree with this statement. It's the opposite, if any.
We did the math: Hexdrinker attacks for two on turn two. Only flipped Delver can do better than this. Nimble Mongoose is certainly not better in this aspect (it's way worse, expecially considered the fact we can't play it alongside Hooting Mandrills). Same reasoning for Pteramander.
What are we talking about?