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  • posted a message on [THB] Theros: Beyond Death Leaks
    Oh My Erebos, this looks to be my new favorite set!!! I absolutely loved Theros in our first visit, even if the actual sets weren't up to snuff. I like the design space they are using for Ashiok's Erasure and Treacherous Blessing. The new maze is coo, glad they used Theros to riff Maze of Ith. The legendary creatures look ok for now, def glad to see UR get an artifact commander that focuses on equipment than generic good stuff. I like that sagas are returning, some with more than 3 chapters too! The Omen cycle is a nice call back to both the Dictates and Fonts.
    And I absolutely love the Nyx inspired full art lands. I was always a fan of the enchantment borders for the enchantment creatures and just love how the lands look with that style applied. I need just about as many of the swamps as WotC can print, including a playmat of it.
    This set looks to be fun. I like the non-heroic heroic cards and like Escape so far, especially since we know that things can get better when they Escape (counters or prob new etb triggers). And looking forward to seeing how Devotion pans out, I secretly hope for MonoBlack to come back, but am open to other colors getting to show off.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Loch Dragon— Alliestrasza preview
    I like it, nice simple design for a hybrid card. Really wish they could get Rakdos cards in these types of cycles right like they do for any combination of GRU.
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  • posted a message on Will The New Urza Ever Get Banded?
    Quote from Randuir »
    So he just basically emptied his hand to play that, meaning it all falls flat if someone blows up the winter orb on the next turn. And he could only play this because he drew a sol ring in the first place. In effect, he could have the same set-up on turn 2 without urza by playing sol-ring and a mana rock.

    I mean, it obviously isn't fun to play against this, but Urza isn't the enabler of this tactic, winter orb+sol ring is.


    It seems like the OP's meta was not ready for a lock on turn two and no one had any removal in hand for either Urza or the Orb, which is understandable because not all games begin with at least one person with artifact removal. That's not even speaking to if they had removal with CMC greater than 2 since they'd be untapping one land and hopefully playing another. And the Urza player had designed it for cEDH, so they are banking on just running the orb out, being able to untap, and runaway with the game. And even if the Urza player exhausted their hand like you point, they still have Urza's last ability to use to try and pull more things from their deck. They are not strapped for options like the rest of a table locked under Orb.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Lochmere Serpent
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    Quote from TearingEons »
    I enjoy the art and design of this card, just a little sad it's not legendary. I mean, if a random frog monster, The Gitrog Monster, can be legendary, then why isn't Magic's Nessie a legend too?

    Not everything in a set can be Legendary, and that's especially a thing when you have a set like this with so many cards that could be legends flavourfully.


    I know not everything can be, or should be, legendary when designing a set. That's why Gitrog always bothered me. Now seeing that WotC decided to include a Loch Ness inspired card, I wondered why they didn't add it as a random legendary in the same vein as Gitrog. It is an actual trope to use, and is much more resonant than a legendary beast that many either don't remember or never heard of (Questing Beast) or like the random uncommon legendary mill knight. That is why I'm sad it isn't legendary.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Lochmere Serpent
    I enjoy the art and design of this card, just a little sad it's not legendary. I mean, if a random frog monster, The Gitrog Monster, can be legendary, then why isn't Magic's Nessie a legend too?
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Syr Gwyn (Brawl deck legendary)(WRB) + others (all 3 new commanders)
    I love this design, a hard hitting body that gives card advantage on attacks and reduces equip costs. They are a little expensive at 6, but you can use that time to control the board and get some equipment out before dropping Syr Gwyn. And you can do a token subtheme so that you can attack with those instead so you get the card draw without risking your real knights dying. This will be a fun card to use and build around!
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Garruk, Cursed Huntsman
    He's either the BaB or the face of a Brawl deck like Chulane
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Forbes article introducing Oko, the Fey Shapeshifter (no card spoiler)
    Quote from ccc1522 »
    Multiple people who have failed to answer any of my question, failed to read what ive said, selected bits and pieces and reinterpreted my words.

    Ill leave you with this. If you think that wotc and magic doesnt suffer from this mission of diversity over everything then good for you. Stay blind. Look to other media to see the damage this ideology does. Ill point you to star wars as a prime example. And now the mcu, oceans eleven, ghost busters, and the list goes on and on.

    This game is great and I dont want the focus to be inclusion. I would rather then focus be quality first with the inclusion mixed in. I would rather they make a badass character that happens to be gay, instead of a gay character that is the gay character and everything else second.

    Lastly you saying that thing about insecure men is pretty oppressive of men. Are they not allowed to feel self conscious? Are women the only ones who deserve the protection from seeing ideal unobtainable bodies?

    Youre too blind to get any of that so fine.

    Youre not oppressed by anything i said so dont act like you are. In fact youre likely not oppressed at all.

    See you around.


    No one has misinterpreted you, nearly all the users have included your quotes when responding and used sound logic against yours. And on that note, your logic does seem flawed bc you go strictly by the definition of things to “technically” justify yourself. Your examples for hate speech and phobic language are telling bc as long as you don’t fit the definition, you feel you’ve done no wrong. Like when you defended the homophobic post, the user didn’t exactly call for the death of a real lgbtq+ person, so obviously [sarcastic on my part] they don’t have negative feels against that community. That’s still problematic bc, as I and other users have pointed out, feeling that way against a fictional person usually means they *do feel that way about real ppl. Trying to side step things by saying “well I/it don’t fit the definition” is a slippery slope, to use your words, bc you can then ignore or condone things that have more nuance, like homophobia and racism. And your defense concerning the MPL being headed by a trans person still sounds transphobic bc you just reiterated that the cis white guys you liked weren’t the face. You said nothing of substance as to why having a trans person being the face is bad. You could have mentioned skill sets or personality, but no, you left it at their being trans as the reason, so that’s why I said it’s problematic at best and transphobic at worst.
    I won’t comment much on your assertion that diversity killed or was harmful to the media franchises you listed, bc the only ppl ticked off were cis white men. Women and PoC can finally feel apart of Star Wars bc it’s not just Leia, Padme, Mace, and Lando for representation. And the all women hero scene in Endgame was on point lol.
    And nothing about an inclusive or diverse character has been shown to hurt the Magic story or design so far. If anything, it allows more players to identify and bond more with the game. I was so happy when Kynaios and Tiro came out that they were my first non-black EDH deck I made.
    And yes, men can and do have body image issues. Being gay, I def know the pressures within the community to have a sculpted body to even get noticed and accepted. So your righteous indignation comes off a bit shallow, just more “but what about X” than an actual concern about how male players perceive their bodies against Magic art. You keep asking for an answer to this, but only the answer it seems you wanna hear. One thing we can do, if you’re truly concerned, is send our concerns to Wizards and Creative to let them know. And it will take time, they won’t have all the corrections in the next set.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Forbes article introducing Oko, the Fey Shapeshifter (no card spoiler)
    Quote from ccc1522 »
    Of course you can come to the conclusion that he hates in real life or at the very least dislikes the idea in real life but you cannot come to the conclusion that he wants those in real life to share the same fate because those are two different things and have two very different impacts on people. So I can agree that if a person dislikes some details about a character in a game are dislikes they have about people in real life, but the fate they wish upon either or are completely different. So by that its not hate speech. Unless he explicitly states that Oka should die and all homosexuals should die in real life along with him then yes its hate speech. But only saying Oka should die does not constitute hate speech and jumping to the conclusion you have is dangerous to say the least. I dont recall what his original post said but I dont remember him explicitly stating he wanted Oka to die BECAUSE he was effeminate or homosexual. I do remember him implying that it would be a useless character.

    Equality and equity does not mean you balance out past injustices, it means everything is equal. Thats literally where the word comes from EQUAL in EQUALity. You cant have equality by doing more or less for some due to what was done in the past. That is not equality, maybe its a move towards equality sure but as it stand that is not equality. By that logic one can advocate all white people be enslaved to make up for the enslavement of african americans thus balance it out. Or the other way around all white people today have to give african americans their property to "balance it out" is that equality to you? Is that how you balance it out? give less to some and more to others..?

    Provide evidence that the Men are more sexualized than women these days, and that it is equatable to the sexualization of women in MTG in the past.


    This new planeswalker is the proof. Hes shirtless dude. Show me one shirtless female from the last two years. Show me art depicting an attractive shirtless female. you cant. So that right there is evidence that men are more sexualized at this moment. and you seem to think only women have been sexualized in magics history. Men have been sexualized for as long as the women have and now its only men who are persistently sexualized. Simply because the players dont see the men as sexual objects is a different story but they have been depicted just as naked, just as fit, just as sexualized for the entirety of the existence of magic so by that, how can you make the argument that now wotc is attempting to balance it out by showing less sexy women and more sexy men when both sexes have been portrayed as such since the beginning..?

    What makes you feel threatened by this turn of policy?


    Well ill point to the racist hiring practices from wotc as described by their own employees on twitter explicitly stating that they are hiring based on color. So thats a pretty blatant form of racism and political pandering that threatens the quality of the game at the very least. and is a threat to me and people who look like me. which is fine i dont mind them doing that but dont do it under the guise of equality and diversity. Its racist and a regression to jim crow like practices. Also when a store refuses to give service to a homosexual or a person of color no one who supports wotc doing this has the right to speak on the matter because they are in favor of it when its racist to some but cry when others are racist towards them. I say any business can do as they please and if you stand against the practice dont be selective or hypocritical.

    You also have yet to demonstrate how WoTC's policies towards inclusion and diversity has made their products, creative and design, worse. How is the OG player-base excluded or abandoned by such practices??


    Well for starters the puritanical art is bland. The complete and utter shunning of Terese Nielson is another one ive already brought up. The inherent hypocrisy that comes with inclusion and diversity ideology is another one ive already brought up. The story line has been pretty bland lately and unsatisfying as compared to before all this started. And i cant imagine their focus on inclusion and diversity hasnt affected game development any since the complete and utter failure of hogaak in modern points to just straight up negligence. The MPL is a joke because instead of supporting their die hard OG players like Reid Duke, LSV, jensen, etc they made a trans woman the face of it. I can keep going man i really can just keep this list going but i think you should get the picture by now unless youre being willfully blind.

    You make may good points but youre not seeing the bigger picture of what is actually happening. Many many players have left magic dude. There have been many stores shutting down and very very few new ones opening up. There are you tube channels that focused on mtg that have straight up shut down bc they quit the game. Many stores FNM's were dead prior to horizons. Talk to store owners about how difficult it is to have a store dedicated to MTG and how they hardly see anyone from the old days. Its very obvious how many ppl have left the game and have felt abandoned by wotc. This is akin to many star wars fans now. Its the same tune on a different instrument.





    You say that unless the poster had explicitly called for Oko's death and all lgbtq+ ppl, it cannot be assumed that's what he meant. However, homophobia and racism frequently are implicit and casual, so if someone has a problem with a fictional lgbtq+ character, then it's reasonable for us to think they have a problem with actual lgbtq+ ppl. Yes, it's arguably not hate speech, but it cannot be denied that such language is phobic in some form. That's what other posters have been saying. And your stance that it's dangerous to assume the poster's actions against a fictional character and a real person are the same, I can say that the poster feeling ok about hating a character based off sexuality would lead to them looking down on real people based on sexuality. If fictional lgbtq+ characters are their only exposure and they don't like them, they can apply that same feeling to any real person they encounter later.

    I'm not sure I quite understand what you want regarding equality, your logic seems to go to the extreme when presenting any example or responding to a comment, like your slavery example.

    Magic has always ebbed and flowed when it comes to art styles and storylines. We are in the midst of a time where Creative is allowing more male skin to be shown where before, it would be female. That's fine. Sometimes equality takes time to truly equal out. That's what some of the other posters have been saying. It seems you want each set to have the same amount of skin shown for both sexes, but sometimes flavor and story have other needs. And as another pointed out, WotC does tend to over do it when they feel they need to represent something or correct themselves, so that's why the balance for male to female skin has stayed tipped toward male recently. They also want to get more women to play magic, so making male characters attractive to them can also play a part.

    Your point of WotC stating they'd hire non-white people is not diversity for the sake of diversity. WotC looked at itself and realized it's very monochromatic, so they wanted to be vocal about its commitment to hire more nonwhite ppl. It never said that white ppl need not apply or that white resumes would be discarded. WotC will still hire white ppl. There's nothing wrong with seeking a different voice or view for your employment. That's not a threat to white people or yourself if a company acknowledges its shortfalls and seeks to give a minority PoV a chance. And it's not racist either. The employee that posted about the whole diversity thing, while he could have phrased things differently, def didn't come across as 'If you're white, don't apply.'

    On inclusion and diversity, your comment about the MPL being a joke now that a trans woman is the face is problematic at best, and transphobic at worst. What about having a trans woman as the face is detrimental? I would think it's pretty cool that a minority demographic, especially the trans community, can be seen at high levels of play and be just as comfortable and accepted. And then you just speculate that inclusion and diversity have effected development, citing Hogaak, which is a huge stretch, and for the story being bland. The story has been fairly formulaic for years. Since WotC went away from true books, we haven't had stories with much nuance or depth. Saying that inclusion and diversity have dampened the story is using a recent occurance (within the last couple years) for a problem that has been around far longer.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Forbes article introducing Oko, the Fey Shapeshifter (no card spoiler)
    Quote from TearingEons »
    Third, I think he's going to be our first Sultai walker. The colors depicted on his art show this and his personality I can see as more of a Sultai bent due to the selfishness in there than Temur.

    But green-blue-red are Temur colors... Maybe we see different colors in that art.

    I think his irreverence to authority is a strong red streak as well. He doesn't seem intentionally cruel, just self-important like Niv-Mizzet. Having a black color alignment in a Faerie planeswlker certainly would be nice for the Lorwyn-Fae connection, but the character as presented screams red unsteadiness and impulsiveness from the strong emotional bend on the trust issues to the running from consequences.


    I do see it as more of a purple than red, as a pinkish purple. The other two colors come across clearly so it'd be weird if they chose the red to not be a more solid red. His personality also sounds to be black aligned as he's conceited, vain, and has no care towards the emotions and feelings of others, just his own amusement. I can see where that can also be seen as red, but my speculation would be Sultai over Temur. I also think adding G to the already established UB of Faeries makes since and wouldn't throw off others who are coming in with Lorwyn memories than adding GR to U.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Forbes article introducing Oko, the Fey Shapeshifter (no card spoiler)
    First, he's hot, like hotter than Yawgmoth hot. I would never cheat on Yawgmoth, but...
    Second, it's a surprise that he's of regular height and fairly humanoid. When they said fae walker, I half expected a tiny figure, but he could always shapeshift from one size to the next.
    Third, I think he's going to be our first Sultai walker. The colors depicted on his art show this and his personality I can see as more of a Sultai bent due to the selfishness in there than Temur.
    All in all, I like him and cannot wait to see what his card does and how he plays into the larger story.
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  • posted a message on [C19] Mothership spoilers 8/8 - New version of Chainer, curse of fools wisdom and big game hunter reprint
    I'm so freaking happy they did a new Chainer! He's one of my fav old school characters due to his weapon, his personality, and the whole dementia summoning thing. His older card is fun for a lot of my EDH decks and now I get to brew something new with him! The art is on point too bc he would attach a censer to his chain to obscure visibility in the pit fights. This will be fun!

    As for the other cards, the curse looks good and Big Game Hunter is also a nice reprint.
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  • posted a message on [C19] Mothership Spoilers 8/05 - Volrath, Gift of doom and Vesuvan Shapeshifter reprint
    Quote from Kman »
    What am I missing about Gift of Doom....it doesn't seem good or rare quality at all.

    I don't think Maro should be a source on Lore characters. He has shown a number of times his ignorance of Vorthos related things so I dont know.


    MaRo helped make Volrath's character when he was a part of the Weatherlight Saga and apparently really enjoys Volrath and wasn't happy with his past card bc it didn't fully represent him or his colors. So I think he's a bit more credible this time around regarding adding a bit of green.
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  • posted a message on [C19] Mothership Spoilers 8/05 - Volrath, Gift of doom and Vesuvan Shapeshifter reprint
    Quote from Xcric »
    Volrath is neat but green feels out of place here. Im sure theres something fun that can be done with him beyond turning him into con sphinx

    Gift of doom is cool design space but that art is straight out of a video game fmv sequence... in 1998


    Maro's preview article today said that the C19 designers came to him when they were doing Volrath and asked if being Sultai would fit bc they wanted him to be an alt commander. MaRo said that Green fits bc Volrath was always into the different creatures of the Multiverse and liked to experiment on them to see if they could be improved. He also went on to say that he felt Volrath should've been Blue the first time around; Volrath is Dimir with a bigger Blue than Black focus, and Green third due to fascination with nature.
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  • posted a message on [C19] Rayami, First of the fallen
    I believe First of the Fallen refers to the original group of ppl warped into vampires by Ulamog's influence on Zendikar.

    As for the card, love that it's a Sultai legend that doesn't focus on the graveyard and actually hoses they yard. Getting Hexproof reliably will be a must, but hopefully that won't make the deck perform too repetitively. Def a nice surprise of design and flavor.
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