What about as a mono red burn deck? Using goblin guide , vexing devil and monastery swiftspear as your creatures and using risk factor and brow beat with the normal lightning bolt , lava axe and searing blaze leaving a few slots for personalization and/or flex slots for sideboarding.
Your opponent would probably have taken so much damage early game that they would be forced to have you draw cards which could result in them taking more damage in the long run.
Thanks, don’t know what I did wrong with the card tags.
The green mana was there from experimenting, was going to try a few other things so I left it in.
The deck doesn’t need any help getting land, I was actually thinking of going down to 17 lands.
I added a one of the black expertise and am trying that since it can be tutored with mausoleum secrets and can help cast living end if electrodominance gets surgicalled.
I don’t know about abomination since it’s a two mana cycler
Also I tried leyline of the void but I had a hard time casting it if it wasn’t in my opener and I didn’t want to mulligan to get it since my starting hands are usually very good. Thought about spell bombs, and relics but went for the bogs in the end.
I changed the original deck list to the most current one. It may change again as I’m now testing various cycle cards to replace two cathartic reunion if not all of them.
*Found a video on you tube of Jeff Hoogland playing this deck going 4-1 in a friendly league if anyone wants to see the deck in action.
I haven’t found any builds with this colour combo on here and would like some feed back, particularly on sideboard cards which is a quick throw together for various decks I’ve already encountered.
The land base could probably use some work as well but so far I haven’t had any issues with it.
This is a fast deck that can consistently win T-3/T-4 and I’ve been enjoying it immensely and I think it has some real potential.
It can in theory win T-2 with faithless, electrodominance, atarka, kolaghan and living end with two mountains, but it hasn’t happened for me yet.
Hi, been digging through cards trying to find cards to put together some of my old decks but I've forgotten so much so I've been lurking for a week now and I recently found this thread and realized I have almost all the cards for it. I'm short both the cabals, the chrome moxes and manamorphose. Which should I prioritize first in acquiring. Im guessing ritual, therapy, mox, then manamorphose, in that order.
I have TONS of modern cards too, so if there's any replacements from that format that can act as a substitute there's a good chance I have it or have a friend that I can trade with. Thanks
I was thinking of use with counterbalance for the owls. The body was for chumping.
I've finally found most of the cards I need, is search for azcanta still something worth trying? I have a few from my modern decks.
I have soothsaying and CB's so that's the style of deck I'm putting together.
I was looking at a few copies of glasses of urza to help with information.
Would spire owl or sage owl be any good here? It's library manipulation with a body to chump block or ping damage.
And what about counterbalance? Is it no longer viable, I was thinking with something like lantern of insight maybe to see their top card, that and clique to see their hand. Just spit balling here as I am trying to get back into legacy.
I've been lurking around and it looks like it's either BUG threshold or miracles. I have only one FOW left sadly and one tarmogoyf though. I don't know if miracles is still viable but I'll build it anyways.
I have full playsets of dark depths and thespian stages with hexmages so I'll probably work on that.
Friendly note, DONT sell off your legacy staples because you never know if you'll come back. I'm kicking myself here!lol
I have sold off most of my legacy duals and various other legacy lands throughout the years as well as key components to many decks so I'm having trouble finding a deck to start out with. The cards it seems I have the most for is a sultai delver deck but I can't find a primer to ask this question in, is there a sultai delver thread? Tried to look up BUG too but all the threads are dead.
I also have miracles,but a friend told me it's dead since top was banned.
Dredge I'm missing three bloodghasts for modern(gave up on it after troll ban) and LED for legacy.
I have my twelve posts still, my dark depths and thespian, even a few gaea's cradles still. Have a single wasteland left as well as a single city of traitors and missing everything that goes with any of that.
I have full playsets of every modern dual though but that's potentially lethal in legacy.Worth the risk?
Anyways, I'm having a hard time finding a starting place, any suggestions on threads on here that might be helpful that are competitive enough to play with the top decks if a sultai delver primer doesn't exist?
I have been working on a red version with a splash of white. It uses the GQ crucible package with the goblin dark-dweller and rains package. The white splash was for prisons and flicker effects. Plus it opens up a much better sideboard.
It needed a win condition and I've been toying with Kiki in my skred deck so I put it in here with resto angel.
I only have the one resto angel otherwise I'd have four, I'm short one pia and not sure if I need a fourth.
The arid mesa is the same, I'd run four mesa and two foothils if I had them, but alas.
To deal with reality smasher there is dismember and beast within if it doesn't have to be a creature and if you want to discard a card.
If you do need a creature you can use one with deathtouch like narnam renegade or acidic slime or the good old classic ambush viper. Then there's also wolfir avenger that has flash and regenerate for two mana, unfortunately it's only 3 toughness. cloudthresher is great for devotion and is a 7/7, however it also costs 6 mana. briarhorn is the best option if you want to go the creature route, flash and evoke for 2 for a 6/6 is very good against smasher I think.
Well there's also ramping with green like tooth and nail or green devotion decks do, sprawls and walkers allows it turn three and with purphoros, god of the forge there's another win con.
I do have a doubling season tron deck actually, but that's for ugin to ultimate, I tried the combo in it but the need for blue slowed it down too much, hence me turning to T&N for ramp.
Oath and call the gatewatch tutors for walkers but what tutors for enchantments in modern? Particularly in green?
Idealistic would be a green creature that tutors for enchantments.
The T&N devotion thread is focused on devotion decks so I was hoping there was some people out there that wanted to just focus on Tooth and Nail builds. I've played it for only a short time recently but I used to play it back in the day when it still used the tron lands to ramp.
The deck can be explosive and destroys everything if it can get to the late game. It has its drawbacks, like tron it's early game sucks, thats where the deck needs to improve. Either protecting the mana dorks early on or having removal ourselves early.
I'm currently playing the moon package since turn two BM has been very effective lately.
All the lists I see aren't using horizon canopy either, I personally think it's a must since the deck doesn't have any draw otherwise.
So is our primer no longer getting updated? Seems like it hasn't seen much activity for awhile.
I still frequent the thread but I play extraplanar lens and my deck performs way diffrent and since nobody else plays it I feel I don't have much to contribute. I really like being able to go off turn four, at the cost of two slots it's well worth it.
I've tried every flavor and I still think mono blue has the strongest legs.
AV, opt, serum and sleight are all meh. With all the slots being taken by our engines or turn spells I've replaced those cards with early interaction. void snare has been better than expected and stops decay which I had a problem with for awhile.
Ratchet bomb I really like too, better than explosives, most of the time it goes unanswered. Kills fish, goyfs, tokens,is good for burn on one and has saved my bacon numerous times.
Early frost is ok but downpour has been better for me, for those having issues against 5c humans I'd recommend trying it. It's giga or exhaustion 5&6.
On the nut draw I know it can, its consistently that I'm after. I still think 3 seasons is the max but I'm using four jace's right now to test, getting two and no season isn't good. oath of nissa I haven't tried yet. I can't play any paper matches to test it until tmrw but I'll try to get online tonight and get a few games in if I can.
My list(s) is pages back , the latest is still GR using kiki-jiki and worlspine wurm with primetime backup. I splashed blue by adding a few breeding pools and really lean on my sprawls and arbor elf to cast jace. I don't think I added any other blue.
Wife has some friends over,I'll probably sleeve oath into it tonight so I'll post with the list I'm going to test.
Your opponent would probably have taken so much damage early game that they would be forced to have you draw cards which could result in them taking more damage in the long run.
The green mana was there from experimenting, was going to try a few other things so I left it in.
The deck doesn’t need any help getting land, I was actually thinking of going down to 17 lands.
I added a one of the black expertise and am trying that since it can be tutored with mausoleum secrets and can help cast living end if electrodominance gets surgicalled.
I don’t know about abomination since it’s a two mana cycler
Also I tried leyline of the void but I had a hard time casting it if it wasn’t in my opener and I didn’t want to mulligan to get it since my starting hands are usually very good. Thought about spell bombs, and relics but went for the bogs in the end.
I changed the original deck list to the most current one. It may change again as I’m now testing various cycle cards to replace two cathartic reunion if not all of them.
*Found a video on you tube of Jeff Hoogland playing this deck going 4-1 in a friendly league if anyone wants to see the deck in action.
The land base could probably use some work as well but so far I haven’t had any issues with it.
This is a fast deck that can consistently win T-3/T-4 and I’ve been enjoying it immensely and I think it has some real potential.
It can in theory win T-2 with faithless, electrodominance, atarka, kolaghan and living end with two mountains, but it hasn’t happened for me yet.
4 faithless looting
4 cathartic reunion
4 electrodominance
2 mausoleum secrets
1 Yahenni’s expertise
4 lightning bolt
4 horror of the broken lands
4 monstrous carabid
4 street wraith
4 desert cerodon
1 dragonlord kolaghan
1 atarka ,world render
4 dragonskull summit
1 stomping ground
2 bloodstained mire
1 swamp
7 mountain
1 bojuka bog
2 alpine moon
1 extirpate
1 lost legacy
1 slaughter games
1 rakdos charm
1 cast down
2 fatal push
3 ingot chewer
2 faerie macabre
*Please note I found a similar deck list elsewhere and began from that.I cannot by any means take credit for it.
I have TONS of modern cards too, so if there's any replacements from that format that can act as a substitute there's a good chance I have it or have a friend that I can trade with. Thanks
I've finally found most of the cards I need, is search for azcanta still something worth trying? I have a few from my modern decks.
I have soothsaying and CB's so that's the style of deck I'm putting together.
I was looking at a few copies of glasses of urza to help with information.
And what about counterbalance? Is it no longer viable, I was thinking with something like lantern of insight maybe to see their top card, that and clique to see their hand. Just spit balling here as I am trying to get back into legacy.
I have full playsets of dark depths and thespian stages with hexmages so I'll probably work on that.
Friendly note, DONT sell off your legacy staples because you never know if you'll come back. I'm kicking myself here!lol
I also have miracles,but a friend told me it's dead since top was banned.
Dredge I'm missing three bloodghasts for modern(gave up on it after troll ban) and LED for legacy.
I have my twelve posts still, my dark depths and thespian, even a few gaea's cradles still. Have a single wasteland left as well as a single city of traitors and missing everything that goes with any of that.
I have full playsets of every modern dual though but that's potentially lethal in legacy.Worth the risk?
Anyways, I'm having a hard time finding a starting place, any suggestions on threads on here that might be helpful that are competitive enough to play with the top decks if a sultai delver primer doesn't exist?
It needed a win condition and I've been toying with Kiki in my skred deck so I put it in here with resto angel.
I only have the one resto angel otherwise I'd have four, I'm short one pia and not sure if I need a fourth.
The arid mesa is the same, I'd run four mesa and two foothils if I had them, but alas.
1 kiki-jiki, mirror breaker
1 restoration angel
4 flickerwisp
3 pia and kiran nalaar
1 spawn of thraxes
2 ensnaring bridge
4 ghostly prison
4 skred
4 lightning bolt
4 stone rain
4 molten rain
4 wooded foothills
2 arid mesa
3 sacred foundry
1 plains
8 snow-covered mountain
If you do need a creature you can use one with deathtouch like narnam renegade or acidic slime or the good old classic ambush viper. Then there's also wolfir avenger that has flash and regenerate for two mana, unfortunately it's only 3 toughness.
cloudthresher is great for devotion and is a 7/7, however it also costs 6 mana.
briarhorn is the best option if you want to go the creature route, flash and evoke for 2 for a 6/6 is very good against smasher I think.
Hope some of these suggestions were helpful.
I took out two warping wail for two witchbane orb.
I think with storm getting popular again I'm going to have to run a few dragon's claw replacing the endbringer and a ratchet bomb.
I also removed the one thragtusk for another doubling season and removed the four explore for four walking ballista.
I do have a doubling season tron deck actually, but that's for ugin to ultimate, I tried the combo in it but the need for blue slowed it down too much, hence me turning to T&N for ramp.
Oath and call the gatewatch tutors for walkers but what tutors for enchantments in modern? Particularly in green?
Idealistic would be a green creature that tutors for enchantments.
Here's a list to get it all started.
2 voyaging satyr
1 magus of the candelabra
2 eternal witness
4 utopia sprawl
3 overgrowth
2 garruk wildspeaker
2 nissa worldwaker
1 primal command
1 kiki-jiki, mirror breaker
1 primeval titan
1 worldspine wurm
1 xenagos, god of revels
4 horizon canopy
4 stomping ground
4 wooded foothills
1 kessig wolf run
2 nykthos, shrine to nyx
1 mountain
7 forest
There is nine slots that still need to be filled, currently I'm using/testing,
3 magus of the moon
1 omnath, locus of rage
1 sundering titan
1 thragtusk
1 hornet queen
Kiora, master of depths is good too but I haven't had many games with it to form an opinion yet.
My sideboard, I've been tinkering with a toolbox idea using creatures like reclamation sage, kataki, war's wage, silent arbiter, scavenging ooze thragtusk and walking ballista as "interaction" coupled with a few beast within and witchbane orb.
The deck can be explosive and destroys everything if it can get to the late game. It has its drawbacks, like tron it's early game sucks, thats where the deck needs to improve. Either protecting the mana dorks early on or having removal ourselves early.
I'm currently playing the moon package since turn two BM has been very effective lately.
All the lists I see aren't using horizon canopy either, I personally think it's a must since the deck doesn't have any draw otherwise.
So please, let's discuss.
I still frequent the thread but I play extraplanar lens and my deck performs way diffrent and since nobody else plays it I feel I don't have much to contribute. I really like being able to go off turn four, at the cost of two slots it's well worth it.
I've tried every flavor and I still think mono blue has the strongest legs.
AV, opt, serum and sleight are all meh. With all the slots being taken by our engines or turn spells I've replaced those cards with early interaction. void snare has been better than expected and stops decay which I had a problem with for awhile.
Ratchet bomb I really like too, better than explosives, most of the time it goes unanswered. Kills fish, goyfs, tokens,is good for burn on one and has saved my bacon numerous times.
Early frost is ok but downpour has been better for me, for those having issues against 5c humans I'd recommend trying it. It's giga or exhaustion 5&6.
My list(s) is pages back , the latest is still GR using kiki-jiki and worlspine wurm with primetime backup. I splashed blue by adding a few breeding pools and really lean on my sprawls and arbor elf to cast jace. I don't think I added any other blue.
Wife has some friends over,I'll probably sleeve oath into it tonight so I'll post with the list I'm going to test.