Yesterday I played three rounds of FNM with my deck.
Before the event started I managed to get a second copy of Seasoned Pyromancer by trading and it the creature/PW suite feels almost perfect now:
2x T3feri, 3x Snappy, 2x Seasoned Pyro, 3x SFM, 4x Saheeli, 4x Felidar
I still have one Narset in the deck but it just happens too often that I don't want to activate her because I am only missing Felidar Guardian and I don't want to put it to the bottom if it's in the top four cards... 1 JTMS might be good but CMC4 is a lot and if I cut Narset (and not replace her with JTMS) I can get rid of the UU cost in my deck (not counting FoN) and maybe safely try a Mystic Sanctuary instead of my second basic Island.
Anyways, round one I won 2-0 against Sultai Midrange feat. Goyf, Drown in the Loch and Oko.
Round two against RB Goblins ended with a 1-1-1 due to time out. Game 1 my Batterskull was destroyed by a Goblin Cratermaker and my Sword of F&F was destroyed by a Goblin Trashmaster. I conceded without showing my combo and boarded out 2 Spell Pierce, 1 FoN and the whole SFM package. Game 2 I won with the combo (kept the board clean with Bolts, T3 Teferi bounce, T4 Felidar, reset Teferi and bounce again, T5 Saheeli combo) and then there wasn't enough time to finish game 3. But my opponent had two copies of Earwig Squad against my combo. It would have been really difficult to win...
Round three I won 2-0 against GB Elves with a greedy mana base of 16 lands and 4x Once upon a Time. One game I got the combo kill (a turn before he would have killed me just by playing Shaman of the Pack) and one game my opponent missed several land drops and since I bolted his mana dorks he couldn't really do anything.
Counting yesterday's results I am now 56-12-4 with the deck. The power level of this deck is really off the charts!
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In case you want to know against what decks I played, here are my last 25 matches:
2-1 vs Mono-Blue Turns
1-1-1 vs Bant Spirits
2-1 vs Grixis Shadow
2-0 vs Ad Nauseam
0-2 vs RW Norin Sisters
2-0 vs Paradoxical Urza
2-1 vs Esper Control
2-1 vs Jeskai Midrange (with SFM)
2-0 vs Grixis Control
2-1 vs UR Delver
0-2 vs 8-Whack Goblins
2-0 vs Boros Burn
2-1 vs Dredge
2-0 vs Skred Red
1-2 vs Abzan Midrange (with 4x Rotting Regisaur)
2-0 vs Titanshift
2-0 cs Monored Prowess
2-1 vs 5C Walkers
2-1 vs Sultai Snow
2-0 vs Sultai Midrange (Goyf, Drown in the Loch, Oko)
1-1-1 vs RB Golbins
2-0 vs GB Elves (with 4x Once upon a Time)
2-1 vs Temur Midrange (Goyf, W6, Royal Scions)
1-2 vs Neoform
2-0 vs Bant Ephemerate
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StevomatUWR posted a message on Jeskai Tempo /Delver/Prowess ("The Jeskai Way" )Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern) -
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FuneralofGod posted a message on Mardu Death's ShadowI would like to request this deck be moved into the established section. It has won several major events recently and continues to put at least 1 or 2 top 8 appearances every week for the last two months. Personally I'm loving the new list with 4x Giver of Runes.Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
Example list: 1st place on MTGO PTQ
Noteworthy facts
- 4 Giver of Runes (obviously)
- No Path main board (only 1 SB)
- Full set of Fatal Push, 2 Bolts (These are the ONLY removal)
- Unearth and Kcmd made the cut
- No Baubles
- only 20 land (with 6x 3-mana spells)
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Depian posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from Aazadan »
Really? 4 Surgical Extraction mainboard was becoming common in every deck, not just to stop Hogaak, but because it's a good answer to opposing Surgicals since everyone was running them anyways.
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=22380&d=351976&f=MO
That deck won a big event recently, the consensus afterwards was that it didn't run enough GY hate.
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=22380&d=351982&f=MO
Same event, same top 8, while none were MB that's a burn deck with 6 pieces of GY hate.
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=22380&d=351983&f=MO
5 pieces, with an extra way to tutor for a piece MB, so effectively 6.
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=22375&d=351915&f=MO
4 main, 4 side.
6 was the standard during week 2 of Hogaak, it was creeping up in week 3. And that's in addition to other cards being sideboarded just for it.
The consensus was that the UW list was running the correct amount of hate, not that it wasn't enough
Burn and Hardened Scales played the right amount of hate, 0 main and the have their sideboard ready, no problem there (although I don't see the tutor you mention in the scales list, Recombiner searches for Constructs only)
The GDS list is interesting as I think it's the only I've seen with 4 maindeck cards to deal with graveyard strategies and even has room for 4 Jailers in the side, I think it's the list with most hate I've seen but it's still less than what you stated:mainboarding 4 pieces of GY hate and having another 6 to 8 in the SB
These sideboards reflect how the deck warped the meta around it and are more than enough to justify the ban, no need to exaggerate, a deck with 10-12 graveyard hate cards is likely not going to succeed as it's diluting it's own gameplan too much, there is a point where going up is actually not worth it and it looks like 6-8 slots total was that point.
And yes, it's possible it may have been less of an issue given a few more weeks... like I said before, this was a ban after 3 weeks which is unheard of, and something I'm not a fan of in general (should give the meta 3 to 6 months to adapt in most cases), but I think this was a perfect storm of a very good deck, little time to innovate (especially publicly), plus an upcoming high profile tournament where they wanted to show diversity, not dominance.
Again, I agree with the ban, I never said they should have given it more time, just that they didn't need to cherrypick data to justify it.
My concern is: if they cherrypick data in an obvious ban like this, how can we trust they won't do the same in future situations where it isn't obvious that a ban is needed? -
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idSurge posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)I'll just say this Torpf. I've been personally attacked (as far as being attacked online on a forum goes lol) far more than most, and I've been the one eating the 'warnings'. Hell, one of the admin's on this site even has me blocked on Twitter and I've never spoken to them in my life.Posted in: Modern Archives
The double standard's and bias is out of control around here, and thats why I've had to just put several people on ignore because they get away with it, and I never do.
Calling me out specifically like Earthbound does, when I dont think I've ever even conversed with him/her, and you just let people like gkourou snipe from the sideline over and over and people like Colt spout absolute NONSENSE for years with no repercussions?
Its unfair, and needed to be said. -
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idSurge posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)I would not worry about it further. What contributions have those folks ever made? What deep discussion points? What numbers and data? Other than ktk, and a few people who posted (anecdotal) information from MTGO, and myself doing actual comparisons of Top 8 data throughout the life of the format, this thread has ALWAYS been long on opinion, short on fact.Posted in: Modern Archives
The sites always been biased and allowed them free reign, it certainly wont change now. -
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idSurge posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)I'm honoured to be mentioned in your parting message. Please ensure you make yourself known on MTGNexus so we can promptly ignore each other!Posted in: Modern Archives -
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Ayiluss posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)Red Bull tournament in Brussels was indeed good with pretty nice metagamne but I will contribute most of this to Hogaak. Hogaak keeps tron and some other decks in check allowing more fair decks to compete. If Hogaak is banned Tron will come back and uw control will be the only viable fair deck again as it used to be pre-Hogaak. This is far from great and balanced format unless you enjoy uw being the only decent fair deck while others (mostly midrange) are basically dead.Posted in: Modern Archives
Just a few words by me. I don't post here for several years now because you can't discuss anything productive but I just wanted to say this (although it might be better if I didn't as this). -
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Lord Seth posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)Posted in: Modern Archives
What days? I'll admit I started up in Modern in late 2012 and thus missed the first year or so of the format, but since I've started playing Modern there was basically no time when people didn't jump pretty quickly onto the ban(d)wagon.Quote from arcane7828 »I miss the days when the meta would stew for months , not just days before everyone start talking about bans. -
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Melkor posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from idSurge »As we near the end here my thoughts return to several months back.
There are 2 paths for Modern, and they depend upon on not what you want to play, but on what you want to play against.
You can PLAY near whatever, and if you warp to the meta you'll be fine. I don't believe anyone can argue against that.
The problem is, what are you playing against, and are the games fun for you? Well that's an individual opinion.
So what are the 2 paths?
1. Accept Modern as what it is, warp your deck around it, and accept infrequent bans/unbans if something gets nuts.
This is how Wizards has approached the format for some time, roughly 3.5 years.
2. Push for a rebuild of the ban list. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BAN MANIA. No, what this path is, is an acceptance that Modern is flawed, but that to fix it, would take multiple bans to bring the power back down and free up some actual diversity in the format.
You would ban.
Faithless Looting
Burning Inquiry
Bridge from Below
Creeping Chill
Manamorphose
Terminus
Ancient Stirrings
Allosaurus Rider
Teferi, Time Raveler
Narset, Parter of Veils
Karn, the Great Creator
And probably.
Mox Opal
Simian Spirit Guide
You UNBAN
Stoneforge Mystic
Splinter Twin
Would this dramatically change Modern? Yes.
Would it improve Modern? If you are an 'option 2 please' person, yes, and that's it.
Either you accept Modern for what it is, and you embrace the decks you play against, or you push not for a few bans, but whole sale changes to the format.
As for me? It's not realistic to hope for option 2. So I accept what I cannot change, and continue to just churn through the days until I take a good long break, by playing Warcraft Classic.
Modern is what it is, good, bad, or just Modern. Your cards don't disappear if you put them in storage. They don't lose $ value if they are in a box.
Don't like Modern as it is? It will not change from this path, it's too far gone.
Either a lot of bans are coming, or you accept Modern for what it is, or you take a break.
That's it.
EDIT: Typo's and Card Tags as I posted this from my phone.
I disagree, it would not fix Modern by any metric. you ban 11-13 cards at once, or even in a short span, the format dies. this is not doomsaying, this is 'Wizards took a chainsaw to the format, why should I keep playing if their shakeup strategy is apparently now MASS bannings or the cards that make the format what it is?' -
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pierrebai posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)IMO, the only reasons why phoenix is so popular are:Posted in: Modern Archives
- The deck is the cheapest tier-1 deck, as long as you forego buying scalding tarns. (Only burn is cheaper, I believe, and not everyone considers burn tier-1.)
- The deck is very consistent, thanks to all the cantrips.
- The deck doesn't entirely crumble with GY hate, so it is viable in the meta. TiTi is still a big threat.
IOW, I don't consider phoenix to be oppressive.
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Before going all out on the Snap-Pyro-Burn plan, I was stuck with the Controllish version that features lots of Narset and Teferi. They are all stars, when it comes to do their job. They're actively bad, though, when the small synergies in our deck don't work well. Seasoned Pyromancer has proven to be extra good at discarding useless combo pieces from my hand, as well as to ditch counterspells in matchups where they are dead draws (read: Humans). More importantly, they HAVE BODIES. They attack and block, pressure opponent's walkers and protect ours.
I do think that the Royal Scions could be a good addiction for Jeskai Midrange. Wouldn't play them in my Saheeli build for the aforementioned reasons, but they're a very decent card.
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4x Polluted Delta
4x Flooded Strand
3x Steam Vents
2x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
2x Plains
3x Spirebluff Canal
1x Clifftop Retreat
1x Fiery Isle
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Seasoned Pyromancer
4x Felidar Guardian
Planeswalkers (4)
4x Saheeli Rai
Cantrips (5)
4x Opt
1x Sleight of Hand
4x Path to Exile
3x Lightning Bolt
3x Lightning Helix
Permission (7)
3x Force of Negation
4x Remand
2x Engineered Explosives
1x Ceremonious Rejection
2x Disdainful Stroke
2x Celestial Purge
1x Spell Snare
1x Force of Negation
3x Rest in Peace
2x Spreading Seas
1x Blessed Alliance
I had a winning streak consisting of ONLY 2-1, ALWAYS losing the first game and then recovering postboard. This deck's sideboard is truly insane, it compensate lots of issues we can have g1.
R1: Humans 2-1
R2: Jund Shadow 2-1
R3: Green Tron 2-1
R4: Bant Vizier 2-1
I comboed like two times, against Tron in the last game and g2 versus Vizier. Saheeli Rai is such an insane card, in this shell, even without Felidar. I won most of my matches by copying Snapcaster and bolting the opponent into oblivion, or going hellbent, castingSeasoned Pyromancer, playing my spells, hellbent again, duplicating Pyromancer. Stimated value: towards infinite.
I also had some playtesting time against Boros Burn, and while we didn't count the games I won around half of them. Snap-Helix is strong in this one.
I decided to go for Spreading Seas instead of Disenchant-effects because Tron lands and Valakut can be a pain in the ass, and normally we can manage Urza between counterspells, Paths and our combo.
I just have to recover my Tarns, now.
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Pyromancer is extra good cause it helps in several scenarios: as I already mentioned, it floods the board. Ergo, it plays well either at pressuring combo, pressuring planeswalkers, making chumpblockers and... winning the game. Narset is a very good Impulse + Leovold in one card, but it dies immediately against anything even remotely aggressive AND doesn’t help killing the opponent. Other than bottoming Cat (don’t know how many games I lost due to this).
I already spoke about Teferi. It simply doesn’t play well with any aggressive strategy.
Stoneforge are fine, but I should play them instead of other CA slots (read: Pyromancer) and there’s no way in hell I’m doing this. According to my testing it’s easier to contain aggressive decks with a mix of Burn spells and then flashbacking Helixes with Snappy. I don’t see how to slot them in.
I’d like to try a single Vendilion maindeck, though. It basically does a similar job to Teferi (looking out for removal spells before comboing) but with a body and benefits vs Tron.
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I seem to have lost my Tarns ssomewhere. Until I find them again, I'll just strive with Deltas (not planning on spending money to buy cards that I should already possess).
1x Fiery Islet
4x Polluted Delta
4x Flooded Strand
1x Clifftop Retreat
3x Spirebluff Canal
3x Steam Vents
2x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
2x Plains
Creatures (11)
4x Felidar Guardian
4x Seasoned Pyromancer
3x Snapcaster Mage
4x Saheeli Rai
3x Teferi, Time Raveler
Removals (9)
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Path to Exile
1x Lightning Helix
Cantrips&Permission (11)
4x Opt
4x Force of Negation
3x Remand
3x Rest in Peace
2x Disdainful Stroke
3x Ceremonious Rejection
2x Engineered Explosives
2x Lightning Helix
1x Spell Snare
2x Celestial Purge
Seasoned Pyromancers was a beast at digging, and it has been by far the best target for either parts of the combo. Saheeli is quite good by itself, providig scry every turn and duplicating Snaps or Mancers, I've got a lot of value from them. You can pitch useless copies to Force anyway. The latter has probably been the best addiction we could hope for in this deck. I played my dose of Jeskai Saheeli in the past, but being a Tap-Out Tempo-Control deck that now HAS access to free counterspells is huge.
I'd love to make space in the sideboard for a Timely (fifth Burn hate piece) or an Ashiok (fourth hate card against Dredge, but also usable vs BigMana).
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If you play Jeskai, there’s already Saheeli that works very similarly. And Jeskai Saheeli is Tier 3 (albeit a good deck, if you ask me). By the way, imho Jeskai Twin was the best variant of it (not the one with Walls and KiKi, just Path, a pair of Angels and Colonnades).
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