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  • posted a message on 2020 Challenger Deck Decklists
    Quote from SonofaBith75 »
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    You missed Knight of the Ebon Legion
    2 Murderous Rider
    A playset of Torbran, Thane of Red Fell
    Embercleave those are average at 25$ And is with the playset of torbran and fervent champion
    Minor highlights missed

    There’s war of the spark ashiok since that sees modern play
    Kenrith the returned king
    A play set of fervent champion and Runaway steam-kin
    3 experimental frenzy
    Nightpack ambusher
    If you get all 4 decks you get



    I didn’t miss anything. You know what a highlight is? To begin with, I DID mention Embercleave. AMONG the highlights: Embercleave ($23), Passage ($14), Steam Vents ($11). Knight, Rider, and Torbran are $4, $5, and $3 cards respectively, regardless of quantity. There is a clear separation in monetary value between the three cards I mentioned and the three you mentioned.


    I missed your embercleave but I call highlights if one of two apply or both

    1 if valued near or above 4$

    2 anything that’s playable in eternal formats (modern/pioneer/legacy/vintage/commander)
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ikoria Lair of Behemoths promotional art from THB boosters
    Quote from Dontrike »
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Hey minor update a clearer photo on the left side

    [img]https://media.wpn.wizards.com/20_w05_article2_header.jpg[/ig]

    Even though we concluded it but now we can definatly lock Vivian now

    Outside of the giant bear-lizard....thing we can see a lot of various dinosaur and dragon esque creatures, on the right (shown on the card itself) we can see giant beasts of some sort, and nn the bottom left corner we can see a sort of giant dog looking beast. Not too much of a diversity from one art, but we'll see what will come of the sort of creatures we can expect in about another month.


    Yep three creature types clearly possibly confirmed is

    Beast
    Dragon
    And possibly dinosaur

    And maro already confirm the behemoths will look different from are bear lizard there
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 2020 Challenger Deck Decklists
    You missed Knight of the Ebon Legion
    2 Murderous Rider
    A playset of Torbran, Thane of Red Fell
    Embercleave those are average at 25$ And is with the playset of torbran and fervent champion
    Minor highlights missed

    There’s war of the spark ashiok since that sees modern play
    Kenrith the returned king
    A play set of fervent champion and Runaway steam-kin
    3 experimental frenzy
    Nightpack ambusher
    If you get all 4 decks you get
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 2020 Challenger Deck Decklists
    You missed Knight of the Ebon Legion
    2 Murderous Rider
    A playsey of Torbran, Thane of Red Fell
    Embercleave those are average at 25$ And is with the playset of torbran and fervent champion
    Minor highlights missed

    There’s war of the spark ashiok since that sees modern play
    Kenrith the returned king
    A play set of fervent champion and Runaway steam-kin
    3 experimental frenzy
    Nightpack ambusher
    If you get all 4 decks you get 5 temple lands aka scry lands
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ikoria Lair of Behemoths promotional art from THB boosters
    Hey minor update a clearer photo on the left side



    Even though we concluded it but now we can definatly lock Vivian now
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Shuffling question
    Just gonna ask this to get answers

    If a card accidentally flips over while shuffle where should I put it?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on oubliette is. Coming soon in a set
    Welp we were wrong oubliette is not in the secret lair that secret lair was just the original 15 gods in the showcase art from theros beyond death (constellation art)

    So back to the theory of commander legends


    Oh by the way I definatly only get secret lairs I’m interesting in (this one I am since just like with kildescope killers cheaper way to get the foil versions also I have none of the original gods) but anyway they are not all that bad it’s only for a certain audience which looks to be the case for all of them and you got to remember the scarcity of these will cause all of them to spike in a few years
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Reminder that long term these will be more valuable and have a pretty nice price tag and it’s actually cheaper way to get the foil versions of all the gods

    The snow land one was actually the best one value wise even though the idiot mistake is to not go beyond one of each basic land
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Quote from bobthefunny »
    At 40 bucks, only one of them is cheaper than simply buying the existing cards. I think this product would have been a huge hit at 30 bucks a pop.


    Well have I got good news for you... If you buy ALL of them, they ARE at 30 a pop!

    Jokes aside, I think this product was mostly done well... In fact, if anything, it should maybe be more expensive. Right now, people who simply want a playable set of cards can buy them elsewhere, cheaper, so this drop isn't undercutting the general secondary market - while still being appealing to collectors and investors - especially the latter since this drop actually IS a giant cut on current prices! Currently, pricing out each of these cards on TCG player non-foil is $165. Selecting this same cart with foil versions of the cards yields an impressive cart of about $450. That's pretty impressive.

    Keep in mind the current pricing on these cards for the comparison are comparing to regular, non-foil versions of these cards. Instead, these versions are foil, and alternate art promos. Now, everyone has their preference when it comes to foils or art, but typically these make the item have more of a premium price, rather than less.

    Right now, purchasing the entire drop for $150 actually comes out positive on value for the purchaser, compared to non-premium versions of the cards - that's pretty insane. It doesn't even hold a candle to current premium copies. And this doesn't account for whether or not they decide to add any special gifts, like the stained glass planeswalkers. This drop is just bonkers. It's good enough that you could purchase the whole set and not feel bad, and probably even flip it, but not so crazy that everyone feels obligated to purchase it or miss out on a crazy deal. - I'm personally not a huge fan of the aesthetic, so I'll probably forgo this one, though I at least have a few days to consider it.

    Of course, that will depend on what the resulting supply ends up being. Seeing as how one item appears to already be out of pre-printed stock (likely the Red bundle, as it has the highest current value), it seems the sales are going well, so supply may be somewhat higher than expected long term.

    Quote from Ryperior74 »

    The 465 thing

    Sorry man that’s not gonna be the value of all of these

    Reaper kings are $68 in foil and sliver over lords are $87 in foil

    But the bad news

    Secret lair sliver overlords are only $20 and the non foils are 28$

    And secret lair reaper kings are 10$ While non foils are $11


    Of course this isn't going to be the price of these long term - but the comparison remains apt. In terms of value, this drop is coming close to the standard printing, for something that is considered more premium in nature, and will have collector value further on. This does mean that close to release, there will certainly be a greater supply, and prices should (hopefully) remain lower. However, if you were looking for a more 'premium' version of these cards - perhaps for foiling out a deck - this is by far a better deal currently than trying to actually get OG foils.

    The reaper king and sliver overlord comparison is also VERY misleading. Those are some old sets, that have a much lower print run. You're comparing a print run that just happened, to printings that are 16 years old and 11 years old.

    A better comparison might be the snow covered lands, which have been released more recently. Regular Ice-age snow forests are a bit over $1. Full art snow lands are .50. Foil coldsnap and foil full-arts are around $7. The secret lair Snow-forest are $14. Even that is misleading though, as there are now several sets worth of snow-lands in the wild, giving ample supply, so the only thing propping up the Secret Lair prices is not people seeking usability, but only people seeking uniqueness and scarcity. Contrastingly, this drop is aimed at both. (The Kaleidoscope set, in comparison was more for usability, as those cards had been out of print for a considerable time).

    For a lair that people criticized as having one of the lowest values compared to current card prices, that one is now sitting pretty nice as an investment.

    Some people like the bling.


    Good point actually

    I didn’t consider the only reason they are that high is scarcity

    And just so you know the snow covered lands was still not a good one in a way people would prefer getting enough basic lands for a deck
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    So, yeah, the 5 Secret Lairs contain all 15 Gods from Theros/Born of the Gods/Journey to Nyx, in Constellation frames.

    §39.99 per drop, or $149.99 for all five at once, which is a nice discount.

    This seems to be open for 48 hours. To the end of the Championship sometime on the 16th.


    Yes this one could be decent for 150 you basicly get each one 10 dollars less

    I’m highly considering getting the package with this one since I have none of the original gods besides iroas but that’s due to commander 2016 and believe it or not I do prefer these arts over the others
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    At 40 bucks, only one of them is cheaper than simply buying the existing cards. I think this product would have been a huge hit at 30 bucks a pop.


    Dude

    The bundles is 150$ so you get that there’s you 30$ a pop
    (Save 50$ but chance is buying in singles might actually be cheaper despite being rarer)

    Quote from Laughing Loa »
    Novemember/December Secret Lairs: (5) at $29.99, (2) at $39.99. $200 for a bundle.
    January Secret Lairs: (1) at $39.99. (no $29.99 products)
    February Secret Lairs: (5) at $39.99. $150 for a bundle. (no $29.99 products)

    Laugh

    (J Jonah Jameson Laughing): https://youtu.be/Jy-7q8vmrXM


    Toss a coin to your wizards!
    O'valley of Whales

    really... and there are people still defending this product


    Have you checked the prices of the original art Gods in foil? If you bought each one in foil, as of TCG prices today, it would be ~$465 for 15 cards... or you can get cards that haven't been available or reprinted, as a newer player or a fan of the new art style for a fraction of the cost...

    Your high horse sir/madam, please dismount it. These products aren't for everyone, and that's ok. You have plenty of other things to look forward to this year as far as other products go.


    The 465 thing

    Sorry man that’s not gonna be the value of all of these

    Reaper kings are $68 in foil and sliver over lords are $87 in foil

    But the bad news

    Secret lair sliver overlords are only $20 and the non foils are 28$

    And secret lair reaper kings are 10$ While non foils are $11

    But however the scarcity spike will hit these eventually though

    So the gods prices tag will be almost no different to non-foil versions based on kildescope killers
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Quote from Xcric »
    not impressed with these. too expensive. too little content. 3 gods with alt art. woopeedoo.

    i'd have been sold on these at this price point if they also included the weapons and nykthos maybe. as is? really tired of this product already.


    Agreed 100%.

    I just want the regular cards reprinted at a more affordable price OR include more content for the price. At these prices they can sit and spin.


    A weapon would and land nykthos would have definatly made the price a little more forgiving but atleast it’s almost a 50/50 split of value gods and less valuable ones

    But reminder the stain glass war walkers are in them maybe the ones we didn’t see in the first 5 will be here like narset, karn and liliana
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Oooh I might actually get all 5 this is tempting

    Before you guys say I’m not smart

    It’s a very simple reason I have none of the original gods besides iroas and that’s only because of the 4 color commander deck

    But also value is there (these are as if non foil)

    2 is worth it with Thassa 1.0 about 20$ kruphix is 10

    4 is worth it since all 3 make the 39.99 (red gods)

    And the auto jackpot is number 3 black with the 2 of the best ones from the original with Erebos and athreos that definatly valued above 39.99
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The Next Secret Lairs?
    It’s nothing more than the 15 gods from the original theros visit but in that showcase art (constellation art)

    That ones a 50/50 clearly for some people

    Some are valuable some aren’t
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from Mishotem »
    It's probably going to be all related to Valentine's Day. Couples? Partners?


    Nope maro confirm none of them are Valentine’s related

    Thank you because I’m on board with thenrumor Valentine’s Day is a made up holiday
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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