Thanks guys for your answer. I have been playing Knightfall for a while now but never used Meddling Mage before. I tried it during my last FNM and it was fine. My other question is about Kira Great Glass Spiner. This card don’t go well with Retreat, but I’m also playing a non Retreat list with Jace. So I think it fit pretty well in our deck as a 1 of, espacially with Selfless Spirit and Queller. What do you guys think ?
Rendroc your T&N list is very interesting. I would like to know about your results if you don’t mind sharing. How good is the addition of Craterhoof. How often do you win with it vs Emmy?
Thanks, some great points here. I agree that the deck (UW) is easier to hate. Blood Moon is not so bad tough since I can easily use the Elesh Norn/Iona/Rites package. But grave hate is aweful. Elesh Norn/Iona are giving me a lot of free win against Company deck, Affinity, Burn, Valakut and Storm. However, I feel I have an horrible MU against Tron, E Tron, GBx and Shadow. Is those MU ok for U Tron ? I will give a try to U Tron, but feel I will miss my gift package. And Alex your list look really great, do you have some success with it ?
Hey guys,
First time I post here. I’m playing a lot of UW Gifts Tron. So far, I really like the deck. Elesh Norm and Iona are giving me a lot of free win. The Wrath/Gifts package (Wrath, Supreme and Day) is also very good. However, U Tron seem to be more played. Is there any reason for this ? I have no experience with the deck and I do really wonder if it’s more competitive. Thanks in advance for your input.
Deck: Gifts Tron.dec
Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:4
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Sundering Titan
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
Spells:32
3 Condescend
3 Expedition Map
4 Path to Exile
3 Azorius Signet
2 Remand
1 Detention Sphere
1 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Day of Judgment
4 Gifts Ungiven
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Unburial Rites
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Mindslaver
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Lands:24
1 Academy Ruins
2 Celestial Colonnade
1 Field of Ruin
3 Flooded Strand
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Plains
3 Urza's Mine
3 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
Hey guys,
How are you doing ? Still brewing with this decl. Added a blue splash for Scarab, Hostage and Jace. Do you think it’s too random or it can work ?
Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:24
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Coiling Oracle
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Voice of Resurgence
1 Eternal Witness
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Renegade Rallier
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Hostage Taker
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 The Scarab God
What do you think of Leyline of Sanctity in sideboard in a Tooth and Nail? Im trying this 3x along with 2x Choke and Boseiju in a standard T&N list with 3 Blood Moon main. BM is giving me a great MU against Eldrazi Tron, Tron and Valakut. I expect Leyline to help me survive long enough to combo against Storm plus it’s quite good against DS
Gideon Intervention has been a great tech for me against Valakut and Storm, but I’m still having a hard time against GBx shell. The Promised End might be a win more but I like it very much. It lose a lot of value after game 1 when grave hate come in though.
Guntius do you mind sharing your Tooth and Nail list ? And yes it can go out on turn 3 easily if not disrupted. That’s why I think the deck is better positioned right now than Genesis Wave / Craterhoof variant
Thanks for your input and your welcome Curdbros. I have tested CoTV and so far I like it. Against storm the best start would be :
Turn 1 : Arbor Elf
Turn 2 : Utopia Sprawl follow up with CoTV on 2
Against DS we hit so many card from their deck that I don’t mind the draw back. But I’m not sure yet it’s the way to go. I was also thinking Trinisphere. RG Ponza are sometime playing it in SB and it sounds good. What do you guys think ? And thanks for the primer !
Thanks Uegjo, I appreciate your input. I agree that Storm is a bad matchup, but I played it so many time with Genesis Wave and it feel worse. DS is tough, but it's one of the reason I'm using BM main (with Valakut, E-Tron, Tron and Control). I also agree with you that Storm and DS are tier 1 deck currently. So what if we try CoTV in sideboard ? Something like this :
Sideboard:15
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Hornet Queen
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Nature's Claim
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Heroic Intervention
2 Chalice of the Void
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Witchbane Orb
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
CoTV on 1 is really rough for DS and we can cast it on 2 with a good hand on turn 2 for Storm. For DS since we have around 8 1 drop, I suggest we cut some Arbor Elf after game 1. Do you think it's a viable option ?
What do you think of Leyline of Sanctity in SB to improve Storm, Burn and Valakut MU?
What about Shaper’s Sanctuary for Jeskai?
First time I post here. I’m playing a lot of UW Gifts Tron. So far, I really like the deck. Elesh Norm and Iona are giving me a lot of free win. The Wrath/Gifts package (Wrath, Supreme and Day) is also very good. However, U Tron seem to be more played. Is there any reason for this ? I have no experience with the deck and I do really wonder if it’s more competitive. Thanks in advance for your input.
Deck: Gifts Tron.dec
Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:4
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Sundering Titan
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
Spells:32
3 Condescend
3 Expedition Map
4 Path to Exile
3 Azorius Signet
2 Remand
1 Detention Sphere
1 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Day of Judgment
4 Gifts Ungiven
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Unburial Rites
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Mindslaver
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Lands:24
1 Academy Ruins
2 Celestial Colonnade
1 Field of Ruin
3 Flooded Strand
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Plains
3 Urza's Mine
3 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
Sideboard:15
1 Dispel
1 Pithing Needle
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Repeal
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Celestial Purge
2 Disdainful Stroke
1 Disenchant
2 Negate
2 Timely Reinforcements
How are you doing ? Still brewing with this decl. Added a blue splash for Scarab, Hostage and Jace. Do you think it’s too random or it can work ?
Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:24
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Coiling Oracle
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Voice of Resurgence
1 Eternal Witness
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Renegade Rallier
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Hostage Taker
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 The Scarab God
Spells:14
2 Fatal Push
3 Path to Exile
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Collective Brutality
3 Eldritch Evolution
2 Lingering Souls
Lands:22
1 Breeding Pool
2 Forest
1 Gavony Township
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Marsh Flats
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Temple Garden
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
Sideboard:15
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
2 Fulminator Mage
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
3 Thoughtseize
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
1 Maelstrom Pulse
Deck: Gifts Tron.dec
Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:4
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Sundering Titan
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
Spells:32
3 Condescend
3 Expedition Map
4 Path to Exile
3 Azorius Signet
2 Remand
1 Detention Sphere
1 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Day of Judgment
4 Gifts Ungiven
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Unburial Rites
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Mindslaver
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Lands:24
1 Academy Ruins
2 Celestial Colonnade
3 Flooded Strand
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Plains
3 Urza's Mine
3 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
Sideboard:15
1 Dispel
1 Pithing Needle
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Repeal
1 Celestial Purge
2 Disdainful Stroke
1 Disenchant
2 Negate
2 Timely Reinforcements
2 Gideon's Intervention
Gideon Intervention has been a great tech for me against Valakut and Storm, but I’m still having a hard time against GBx shell. The Promised End might be a win more but I like it very much. It lose a lot of value after game 1 when grave hate come in though.
Turn 1 : Arbor Elf
Turn 2 : Utopia Sprawl follow up with CoTV on 2
Against DS we hit so many card from their deck that I don’t mind the draw back. But I’m not sure yet it’s the way to go. I was also thinking Trinisphere. RG Ponza are sometime playing it in SB and it sounds good. What do you guys think ? And thanks for the primer !
Sideboard:15
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Hornet Queen
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Nature's Claim
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Heroic Intervention
2 Chalice of the Void
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Witchbane Orb
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
CoTV on 1 is really rough for DS and we can cast it on 2 with a good hand on turn 2 for Storm. For DS since we have around 8 1 drop, I suggest we cut some Arbor Elf after game 1. Do you think it's a viable option ?