So, if someone used wrath of god and i had anafenza, the foremost on my side of the battlefield, then before everything would be destroyed the game checks for any effects that might trigger,in this case it sees anafenza's ability and puts the said replacement effect into effect says everything will be exiled and wrath of god resolves and my opponents creatures go into exile?
Anafenza's second ability now says, in part, "If a nontoken creature an opponent owns would die ..., exile that card instead" (C.R. 108.1). Since Wrath of God destroys all creatures simultaneously (it contains a single action verb "destroy") (C.R. 608.2c), any nontoken creatures owned by opponents destroyed this way will be exiled instead of dying (C.R. 614.1, 614.1a, 701.7), even if Anafenza leaves the battlefield at the same time as those other creatures (so that there is no time that Anafenza isn't on the battlefield before those other creatures leave). See also one of the rulings for Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, which contains a similar replacement effect ("If a nontoken creature an opponent controls would die, instead exile [etc.]").
Thank you, i guess that makes sense. Thanks for helping me understand
Yes. Even if Anafenza dies at the same time, its replacement effect applies: all opponents' creatures get exiled.
Anafenza: I hear you plan on sending some critters to the grave?
You: Yes, I was just about to do that.
Anafenza: Hold it! dont send send those guys to the grave; rather, send them to exile.
You: Ah? ok then!
See, this little conversation happens BEFORE anything dies, before even Anafenza dies, which is why the effect applies.
Rule 614.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. [...] Such effects watch for a particular event that would happen and [...] replace that event with a different event.[...]
So, if someone used wrath of god and i had anafenza, the foremost on my side of the battlefield, then before everything would be destroyed the game checks for any effects that might trigger,in this case it sees anafenza's ability and puts the said replacement effect into effect says everything will be exiled and wrath of god resolves and my opponents creatures go into exile?
Is the question indeed "What happens if Anafenza, the Foremost dies at the same time as all other creatures on the battlefield"?
yes,sorry i was half asleep when i typed this out,i do mean board wipes so if someone used wrath of god,would everything my opponents control be exiled?
Looking for any suggestions in an Anafenza, the foremost deck for land search, as in ANY land not just basic, that isn't really too expensive to play in terms of CMC,there is realm seekers, but he is a 6 drop, but i suppose he can work in the deck if i want to try to fit him in, but if i can avoid it, then i am all for it. Thank you in advanced and i am not entirely sure if i put this in the right forum area, so if it is misplaced, just let me know
Yes, you get another chance to respond to your own spell even after you cast a spell in response to it, so you can copy it twice.
In the case of copying a split second spell with a delayed trigger, this works fine because you never actually cast the copy, and split second only stops spells from being cast and nonmana activated abilities from being activated.
So, if i attacked with something,i could then use other copy spells, or copy effects then i could cast word of seizing up to 8 times with just howl of the horde, twincast and reverberate? by copying the howl with twincast, getting 2 more copies that copy a spell 2 times each, cast reverb,getting 4 copies of that and copying howl again t hen casting word of seizing?
You'd have to cast Howl, hold priority, cast Twincast targeting Howl, hold priority, cast Reverberate targeting Howl.
So you'd have 6 "copy the next instant or sorcery" triggers, then you cast Word and it gets copied 6 times giving you 7 targets.
Wouldn't it be 8 copies? Howl of the horde, if i attacked copies twice, so if i cast twincast, there are two twincasts targeting howl of the horde, so there are 2 more howl of the hordes, which is 4 copies for the reverb targeting the howl of the horde, so there are 4 copies of howl of the horde, each copying the next spell an additional time so 2 copies of the next instant or sorcery, 2 times each
If you cast Twincast, it needs a target. Howl won't copy it unless you've let it resolve and then there's nothing for Twincast to target.
Howl - copies twice when it resolves.
Twincast - copies Howl, so copies twice when it resolves.
Reverb - copies Howl, so copies twice when it resolves.
Neither Twincast nor Reverb will be copied because Howl hasn't resolved yet.
Ok, that makes sense, that at least clarifies some things, so i would need need to cast howl, copies next spell twice, cast twin cast targeting howl,let that resolve first, i get 2 copies of howl, i then cast reverb, getting 4 copies of howl, i now have 6 copies of howl, word of seizing then gets copied 6 times, so i have to wait until each spell resolves cast after howl for it to work
Yes, you get another chance to respond to your own spell even after you cast a spell in response to it, so you can copy it twice.
In the case of copying a split second spell with a delayed trigger, this works fine because you never actually cast the copy, and split second only stops spells from being cast and nonmana activated abilities from being activated.
So, if i attacked with something,i could then use other copy spells, or copy effects then i could cast word of seizing up to 8 times with just howl of the horde, twincast and reverberate? by copying the howl with twincast, getting 2 more copies that copy a spell 2 times each, cast reverb,getting 4 copies of that and copying howl again t hen casting word of seizing?
You'd have to cast Howl, hold priority, cast Twincast targeting Howl, hold priority, cast Reverberate targeting Howl.
So you'd have 6 "copy the next instant or sorcery" triggers, then you cast Word and it gets copied 6 times giving you 7 targets.
Wouldn't it be 8 copies? Howl of the horde, if i attacked copies twice, so if i cast twincast, there are two twincasts targeting howl of the horde, so there are 2 more howl of the hordes, which is 4 copies for the reverb targeting the howl of the horde, so there are 4 copies of howl of the horde, each copying the next spell an additional time so 2 copies of the next instant or sorcery, 2 times each
A copy of a spell is itself a spell (C.R. 706.10), so it can be copied like any other spell.
Split second keeps players only from casting certain spells or activating certain abilities, and then only while a spell with split second is on the stack (C.R. 702.60a; see also C.R. 702.60b). It doesn't keep triggered abilities (such as the one created by Howl of the Horde) from triggering, or spells from being copied (since copying a spell is not the same as casting it [C.R. 706.10]). Thus, after a Howl of the Horde you control resolves, if you cast Word of Seizing, it can be copied due to Howl of the Horde despite split second.
So with three other copy spells, and assuming i attacked with a creature that turn, i could get 16 copies of word of seizing with just a twincast and reverberate and increasing vengeance?
Yes, you get another chance to respond to your own spell even after you cast a spell in response to it, so you can copy it twice.
In the case of copying a split second spell with a delayed trigger, this works fine because you never actually cast the copy, and split second only stops spells from being cast and nonmana activated abilities from being activated.
So, if i attacked with something,i could then use other copy spells, or copy effects then i could cast word of seizing up to 8 times with just howl of the horde, twincast and reverberate? by copying the howl with twincast, getting 2 more copies that copy a spell 2 times each, cast reverb,getting 4 copies of that and copying howl again t hen casting word of seizing?
Can you copy spells that have already been copied? so if i use twincast on something that i already cast increasing vengeance on? along with that note can i use howl of the horde to copy word of seizing since it is cast before seizing,but seizing has split second so i am confused as to if the copies actually can exist, if it can then i have some fun ideas with that, if not then i guess i won't go in that direction.
But there is no single planar controller, we all sahre ONE deck
So?
Your turn starts. You are now the active player. You are now the planar controller. You are the controller of the face-up plane card. The word "you" on that card refers to you. Its "beginning of your upkeep" text now refers to the beginning of your upkeep.
What part of this do you think might get changed by the Single Planar Deck Option, and why?
I thought you were referring to just the person who planeswalked was the only controller of it like multiple decks split up specifically for each person rules
I think you are misunderstanding me, the entire group of people playing it, plays with ONE deck of planar cards,so EVERYONE shares the effect of the planes chase cards, i am curious if when it says "or at the beginning of your upkeep" then the next players turn after someone planes walks so if the person that goes before me planeswalk to the plane, gets the planeswalk effect, and ends turn then i would get the the upkeep effect one my turn?
Compare with a non-plane card: Frenzied Fugue. Frenzied Fugue's triggered ability will trigger in two different ways, namely—
when Frenzied Fugue enters the battlefield, and
at the beginning of the upkeep of Frenzied Fugue's controller (C.R. 109.5, 603.2).
Similarly, Cliffside Market's first ability will trigger in two different ways, namely—
when the planar controller planeswalks to Cliffside Market, and
at the beginning of the planar controller's upkeep (C.R. 901.6, 109.5, 603.2).
Note that even if the Planechase game uses a single planar deck, C.R. 901.6 (which generally defines who the planar controller is) generally applies (nothing in C.R. 901.15 allows multiple players to be the planar controller at the same time).
But there is no single planar controller, we all sahre ONE deck
I know days undoing with flash doesn't exile itself but others in my play group shuffle it back into their library if it is cast on another persons turn, which to me doesn't really seem right, i could be wrong which is why i am asking here, if someone casts it on someone elses turn, does it shuffle itself into that persons deck?
I think you are misunderstanding me, the entire group of people playing it, plays with ONE deck of planar cards,so EVERYONE shares the effect of the planes chase cards, i am curious if when it says "or at the beginning of your upkeep" then the next players turn after someone planes walks so if the person that goes before me planeswalk to the plane, gets the planeswalk effect, and ends turn then i would get the the upkeep effect one my turn?
yes,sorry i was half asleep when i typed this out,i do mean board wipes so if someone used wrath of god,would everything my opponents control be exiled?