Hey, thanks for the advice Nic Fit looks like a lot of fun, so I think I'll play it at least for for now while I get a feel for the Legacy format. I can put together a 'Golgari Fit' deck pretty inexpensively.
Hi guys, I'm relatively new to MTG, been playing Modern online for a few years. I'm pretty keen to give Legacy a go, and since I play Rock in Modern, I like the look of Nic Fit. Thing is, it's taken years to understand the intricacies of the game in Modern, mostly how to play against each other archetype, and especially how to sideboard against them - this is the trickiest bit, the rest is just playing the game. The Modern forums on here have fantastic sideboard guides, I'm wondering, is there something similar that I can read for Nic Fit in Legacy. This primer and some others I've found online are great, but for noobs like me nothing beats a straight up sideboard guide.
Is the matchup basically unwinnable without surgical? I ask because I’ve been trying to make do with spellbombs, damping sphere, and Cage (extraction’s price tag is ridiculous nowadays), but I can’t tell if the artifacts are subpar or I’ve simply been getting unlucky.
I took a few months hiatus from magic so my knowledge of the Phoenix matchup is basically null.
Surgical quite is critical, and really makes this match-up very winnable, especially considering the nature of our deck is to keep them at bay with spot removal. If we can old them off for long enough to draw a Surgical, we're in a really good place.
I actually feel confidant against Izzet Phoenix with 2x Surgical, 2x Spellbomb, and 1x Cage, also Damping Sphere and a couple of Collective Brutalities coming off the sideboard.
Speaking of how important Surgical is, just the other day I lost a game 2 that was looking to be a close win, when my opponent top-decked three Phoenixes in four turns eugh...
Jund is probably the worst deck in Modern that is a playable deck, GB isn't too far behind it. I would not recommend playing this deck or any mid-range deck if you are looking for wins or competitive games. I would also not recommend Jund or GB if you suffer from depression or have suicidal thoughts.
Just look at this thread. I scrolled back a few a pages, there is nobody on here celebrating anything. Entire weeks go by without a single post. And when there is a post, it is someone suggesting something new for the deck, that is only immediately shot down, with good reason usually. I've been playing this deck for a long time now, hoping that something would make midrange playable but we are beyond that now. Nobody wants fair games, they want infinite loop or instant kill. Playing anything else, you are just wasting your time. Move on to some other deck, that is easier to play, like Burn or Tron.
I think Ishkanah is a great way to stabilize the board, if you get that far to speak. At 5 mana she can of course also rot in the hand.
But I get the idea behind her. One reason for it is that for example Finks, is imo not a great card anymore in Jund. A lot of threats in modern are flying atm, especially since phoenix is a deck. Finks doesn't block at all here. And this observation has led me to the desire of a great flying stabilizing creature, which is actually able to block. unfortunatlely I haven't found any creature that is good enough. Ishkanah is a similar strategy I think. She can block flying threats and provide needed time threough chump blocking. Recurring her also seems valuable.
I personally am a bit higher on PKN though, which has similar purposes. But I like the cheaper cost and the possibility of removing a threat or 2 in addition.
So, card selection/variance are our greatest enemy... so, only the best cards, and no 1-ofs... 1/2-drops as 3-ofs, 3-drops as 2-ofs ... with a few exceptions based on cards that you don't mind having two of at once, or has an equivalent, or you don't mind waiting for ... and just loot the rest away.
Ranger-Captain of Eos ... almost.
Surgical quite is critical, and really makes this match-up very winnable, especially considering the nature of our deck is to keep them at bay with spot removal. If we can old them off for long enough to draw a Surgical, we're in a really good place.
I actually feel confidant against Izzet Phoenix with 2x Surgical, 2x Spellbomb, and 1x Cage, also Damping Sphere and a couple of Collective Brutalities coming off the sideboard.
Speaking of how important Surgical is, just the other day I lost a game 2 that was looking to be a close win, when my opponent top-decked three Phoenixes in four turns eugh...
Git gud.
Nice ... bookmarked!
Mirri the Cursed
4x Blooming Marsh
3x Field of Ruin
2x Forest
2x Hissing Quagmire
2x Overgrown Tomb
5x Swamp
2x Treetop Village
4x Verdant Catacombs
4x Assassin's Trophy
2x Collective Brutality
4x Fatal Push
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Thoughtseize
3x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Tireless Tracker
3x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
2x Vraska, Golgari Queen
1x Damnation
1x Duress
1x Engineered Explosives
3x Fulminator Mage
4x Leyline of the Void
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Nissa, Vital Force
2x Surgical Extraction
... sacking lands and clues to Vraska, Golgari Queen is a gravy train.
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/how-many-colored-mana-sources-do-you-need-to-consistently-cast-your-spells-a-guilds-of-ravnica-update/
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Forest
2x Overgrown Tomb
3x Raging Ravine
1x Stomping Ground
2x Swamp
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wooded Foothills
4x Faithless Looting
2x Fatal Push
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Thoughtseize
1x Dreadbore
2x Terminate
2x Kolaghan's Command
2x Liliana of the Veil
2x Maelstrom Pulse
3x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
2x Tireless Tracker
2x Ancient Grudge
3x Collective Brutality
1x Damnation
1x Engineered Explosives
3x Fulminator Mage
1x Grim Lavamancer
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
2x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Rakdos Charm
Or another version, with Bedlam Reveler supported by 23 spells... I'll be playing this one.
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Forest
2x Overgrown Tomb
3x Raging Ravine
1x Stomping Ground
2x Swamp
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wooded Foothills
4x Faithless Looting
2x Fatal Push
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Thoughtseize
1x Dreadbore
2x Terminate
2x Kolaghan's Command
2x Liliana of the Veil
2x Maelstrom Pulse
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Tireless Tracker
2x Bedlam Reveler
2x Ancient Grudge
3x Collective Brutality
1x Damnation
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Grim Lavamancer
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
3x Molten Rain
2x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Rakdos Charm
Been playing this.. super fun deck, once I got used to sequencing everything... it's powerful too!
On Faithless Looting in a 'normal' Jund deck, T4 Bloodbraid Elf into Faithless Looting could be pretty miserable... other than that though I like the idea.