Some simple list additions such as Gideon AoZ MD and Elspeth and Baneslayer Angel in the side are good if you expect trouble with Jund. It's also one of the match-ups in which Sphinxs's Revelation is actually a house, although i don't like that card all that much right now against the field.
@Bearscape, you say mana felt tight, but how would you fix that? Go to 25 lands?
Yeah I went back and forth on buying the nobles/goyfs for a while, but the more I looked at it, the worse the idea sounded.
What about the other route, eschewing away from BBE entirely in favor of a more robust build?
This build is represented already by either Monster or Noble Ponza. You could start at either shell and make your modifications from there?
Basically your choice of midrange 3 and 4 drops to replace BBE and Molten Rains, and potentially reducing dork numbers in favour of Scoozes or more bolts.
In addition to the points above, Spell Pierce / Swan Song are also our best answers to an on-curve Blood Moon or Damping sphere, since you can stop it ever hitting the table.
This is a Jeskai Kiki-Jiki list. It's win con is an infinite combo between Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki. Due to possessing a combo-kill, it naturally has a better match-up against combo decks.
The Avens in the Board are for Storm and Valakut, presumably, but also synergies with path to exile I guess. I don't think they're the strongest option personally but they fit the backup beat down plan.
Considering the meta, is there a reason folks are avoiding Anger of the Gods? I've got 2 in my 75 now, and its been amazing.
Anger of the Gods is a fantastic sweeper. It sees less play in Jeskai because generally we want our sweepers to mop up anything that our 3 damage spot removal doesn't handle. Hence verdict, settle and *** are usually first picked.
If the exile clause is relevant enough (see dredge, hollow one) then anger is a great choice. And I wouldn't blame you for running it given humans, affinity and Hollow One are the top dogs at the moment.
I simply feel like settle is better at the moment. Humans tend to get to 4 toughness quickly, and although you hit Bloodghast and Flamewake Phoenix with anger it completely misses hollow one and Gurmag Angler. Settle hits Etched champion and man-lands from affinity, hollow One, Angler, and mantis riders off the top.
Coming from UW / Esper, I saw Wafo-Tapa having a 5-0 on MTGO and it was a sweet list. Might be coming back to Jeskai (left last Summer the deck). I'd only need to pick up 2 Tarn and 1 Vents. I'm guessing that my Burn matchup would improve when compared to Esper, but my combo matchup would be worse I guess.
I think your fairly on the money there. But the loss of discard is partly mitigated by the faster closing speed against combo, especially if you main deck Vendilion Clique.
I'm more and more thinking about building it again, having 2 Clique in the sideboard at least. I'm wondering also what I could have to help : 2 Dispel and 2 Surgical Extraction most probably?
Surgical isn't great in Jeskai like it is in UBx, but certainly has merit. Dispel, Runed Halo are great against many combo decks, and pressure.
What do you guys think about running 1-2x Siege-gang Commander in the MB. Perhaps in place of Pia & Kiran.
My thinking is that 5 CMC isn't too difficult to achieve, it creates more bodies, and can potentially deal more direct damage (and cheaper per sting) than P&K.
P&K are 1cmc cheaper and the incidental synergy with Tracker is actually more inpactful than I initially thought when I started playing it. It's a shade better IMO.
If you're running Rabblemasters then SGC may be worth a shot.
Coming from UW / Esper, I saw Wafo-Tapa having a 5-0 on MTGO and it was a sweet list. Might be coming back to Jeskai (left last Summer the deck). I'd only need to pick up 2 Tarn and 1 Vents. I'm guessing that my Burn matchup would improve when compared to Esper, but my combo matchup would be worse I guess.
I think your fairly on the money there. But the loss of discard is partly mitigated by the faster closing speed against combo, especially if you main deck Vendilion Clique.
And then is adjusted according to meta, style, flavour, and mana curve.
I disagree with this as being core to Ponza post the BBE unban.
This is what I believe is the core of the deck:
At least 21 Lands
4 Arbor Elf
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Blood Moon
4 Stone Rain
4 BBE
At least 1 Birds of Paradise (I personally don’t agree with this but majority of people still believe it is core to the deck)
At least 3 Molten Rain
At least 3 Tireless Tracker
At least 1 Chandra ToD
At least 3 creature finishers (any number of Inferno Titan or Stormbreath)
Anything else is preference. There are a bunch of lists that play Pia and Kiran Nalaar as a 1-2 of, Courser of Kruphix as a 1 of, Nissa VoZ as a 1, and some number of Lightning Bolts. These cards have been debated off and on thus can be regarded as not core to the strategy.
I was just listing core threats not trying to define the Archetypes entire card choices. BBE builds are currently most popular but there are many who still prefer acid moss and huntmasters, for example. And less than 4 trackers, less than 2 Chandra, and less than 2 inferno titan are seen in very very few lists, either BBE or non BBE. even the lists with 1 Chandra main simply put 1 Chandra side.
Thanks! Is Nissa, voice of zendikar a good replacement for chandra? or should i just go 2 chandra main?
Nissa is a flex slot and Chandra is a core slot. They do completely different things. Nissa is a defensive utility card. Chandra is a utility card, ramp card and win-con.
@Bearscape, you say mana felt tight, but how would you fix that? Go to 25 lands?
Well done mate
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This build is represented already by either Monster or Noble Ponza. You could start at either shell and make your modifications from there?
Basically your choice of midrange 3 and 4 drops to replace BBE and Molten Rains, and potentially reducing dork numbers in favour of Scoozes or more bolts.
This is a Jeskai Kiki-Jiki list. It's win con is an infinite combo between Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki. Due to possessing a combo-kill, it naturally has a better match-up against combo decks.
The Avens in the Board are for Storm and Valakut, presumably, but also synergies with path to exile I guess. I don't think they're the strongest option personally but they fit the backup beat down plan.
The 1st Nissa is only better the 2nd Chandra if you face deaths shadow frequently.
Some might say Nissa is also good against Jund, but Chandra is just as good in the Jund MU.
Anger of the Gods is a fantastic sweeper. It sees less play in Jeskai because generally we want our sweepers to mop up anything that our 3 damage spot removal doesn't handle. Hence verdict, settle and *** are usually first picked.
If the exile clause is relevant enough (see dredge, hollow one) then anger is a great choice. And I wouldn't blame you for running it given humans, affinity and Hollow One are the top dogs at the moment.
I simply feel like settle is better at the moment. Humans tend to get to 4 toughness quickly, and although you hit Bloodghast and Flamewake Phoenix with anger it completely misses hollow one and Gurmag Angler. Settle hits Etched champion and man-lands from affinity, hollow One, Angler, and mantis riders off the top.
I forgot to mention Counterflux, if you're facing a lot of control, storm or ad nauseam.
Surgical isn't great in Jeskai like it is in UBx, but certainly has merit. Dispel, Runed Halo are great against many combo decks, and pressure.
P&K are 1cmc cheaper and the incidental synergy with Tracker is actually more inpactful than I initially thought when I started playing it. It's a shade better IMO.
If you're running Rabblemasters then SGC may be worth a shot.
I think your fairly on the money there. But the loss of discard is partly mitigated by the faster closing speed against combo, especially if you main deck Vendilion Clique.
I was just listing core threats not trying to define the Archetypes entire card choices. BBE builds are currently most popular but there are many who still prefer acid moss and huntmasters, for example. And less than 4 trackers, less than 2 Chandra, and less than 2 inferno titan are seen in very very few lists, either BBE or non BBE. even the lists with 1 Chandra main simply put 1 Chandra side.
Nissa is a flex slot and Chandra is a core slot. They do completely different things. Nissa is a defensive utility card. Chandra is a utility card, ramp card and win-con.