Meta means nothing to me lol, ive learned from the past you can play amazingly as town and still flip scum.
Also logically in a closed setup everyones guilty till proven innocent since people can claim and still be scum.
Well then that makes things harder for the both of us. I'm not exactly well at reading people I don't know either.
While true, it's also logical that the majority is town and not mafia. Though, I suppose you meant right now instead of forever when you mentioned kpaca is guilty.
So I went through and snipped out all the quotes because I think removing the context here is important. Read all of the above responses everyone is tearing down an idea. Not a single one is offering a clear alternative or offering his own world view just attack and discredit over and over again. Doesn't even try to paint people as scum, just undermining arguments. You can go back and look at context if you need to, but there was space to provide your own opinions in the quotes rather than just painting them in a negative light. I think the final response with the 1, 2, 3 bullet points is where it's most obvious.
I don't much appreciate you removing the context of my posts in order to paint them in an unfair light. The context is important to understanding their motive and clarity. To remove it and paint it as something shows little thought on your end and is surprising. As it's a method I come to expect to be used to discredit people. If a man of the south were to praise the confederate flag, but no context given as to why. One could paint him as a racist bigot and make his motives unjust. But in actuality he could have a strong pride in his southern heritage and the men of his family who have fought and died in wars for his country inside and outside of the Civil War. And, who is tolerant of all people in his country as that's the way things are.
"I don't quite understand the context of the second sentence. If this was something you were considering beforehand why the pressure on Shin?"
"Why are you considering the flavor when it has no relevance to the game?"
"This post comes off too defensive with the snark attached at the end. It seems a little too early for that if there truly was hardly anything to have faith in reads on."
"I can see how these reasons would work for Kpaca and WG individually, but I'm not seeing how it relates to them being a team. Mafia doesn't have to be in sync with their strategies. Playing to your town meta early on in RVS is just as helpful as strong arming opinion and thought."
"Care to elaborate? Just what exactly is it about their interactions?"
Negative light or not, my opinions are clear in my posts. For the most part I am challenging what I see as weak or faulty reasoning while trying to understand the train of thought of others and how they got there. Why this is important? It's because weak and faulty reasoning are what lead to mis-lynches. If you notice I almost always include a question in my statements in order to encourage a response to help me better understand their mindset or the post itself. That or to have them rebuke me as you have done.
This raises huge red flags for me. Roger doesn't know their history to the best of my knowledge and this is the first bit of insight he offers. Feels buddyish to me.
The answer to the question was obvious from the post prior.
WG sounds pretty town. Not exactly certain what he sees as scummy from Vaimes, but his tone is townie.
AG, I know this game is off to a slow start, but how about some why's. Why is WG pretty town? Tone? You can do better. I don't want to mislynch you again, so do some splaining.
The bolded indicates it has happened before. Considering him mentioning it I drew the conclusion it has happened recently and for bad reason. I can understand how one would feel regret over a mislynch, especially if I found myself in another game with said person. This seemed obvious to me so I answered as I did to bring attention to the redundant question and show as much.
What could be gleaned from the question? You may use my response as example, but what have you solidly gleaned from that other than suspecting I'm buddying? What would be my purpose in buddying in that exact situation and time? Why Terry and no one else? I'm fine with you thinking that, but show some consideration with it.
I don't know what to make of this response to RE in general, but it gives me very strong unaligned feelings between Mind and Roger.
It along with the majority of that post was to share my thoughts on what I had read catching up. I had not formed any "world view" as of that time and still have yet to.
This last quote is super light. Point two goes out of his way to discredit Mind just a little bit and still really refuses to give his own take on the matter. In short my vote is serious.
I think you're zeroing in too much on me being mafia. I don't see how any of my second point goes to discredit Mind in any way. I was explaining how from the post I saw the second point as odd compared to the other two. It addressed two lone mafia that Mind had in considerations which contrasted the other two team scenarios. I also gave some of my conclusion from it that Mind seems to be looking for a mafia team instead of lone mafia. That's a minor detail but worth acknowledging to understand Mind's posts further on in the game as that's where his mind seems to be coming from. Also to clarify, I ask questions sometimes as I'm generally confused or curious to know more.
@Roger Hi! Can you please give me reads on any three players? Just your leaning and a small case please. Thanks
Reads and leaning are two separate things from what I've seen. A read is a definite Town or Mafia accusation where as a lean is suspicion without firm grounds with which to vote or act on. Considering I've only read the thread once and didn't think too much on it afterward I'll stick to leans. And yes, I'm being cautious and reluctant in presenting them but that's as I don't want to be misunderstood again and I'm not wholly confident in them as they hardly have anything to go by.
Leans:
1)RE1031 (Town) - I liked their observation. It shows there's interest in the game, even though that's not always telling. I liked what they did with their RVS. They retracted it upon seeing it as unproductive when they could have easily left it there and been lazy. They stuck by their opinion on Shinichi often being read scum even though they got some attention for it. In doing so they went against the vocal opinion even though it didn't serve an immediate purpose.
2)Shinichi (Town) - His posts seems like Shinichi from the last game I played with him. Often not giving much away aside from present moment gut feelings or thoughts. He's active which is a tell of interest. It's hard to discern what exactly are his mafia and town tells as I haven't seen him as mafia, but I don't see him coordinating with anyone or trying to influence thought.
3)Mindreaver (Mafia) - Most of the reasons I think this can be found in my catch-up post. #233 I didn't feel any genuine annoyance when they complained about lack of content. And while they may have contributed after the fact it wasn't directly due to a directed will, but more so interactions with others. Because of that, it appears to me more of an appeal to emotion as I believe Vaimes shared the same opinion, as did a few others. There's also the possibility of it acting as an excuse to not have an opinion at that time, but I don't remember any pressure on Mind leading up to it.
I also don't like how they brought up the SK in relevance to the flavor. That seemed like an unneeded attention shift which while forgotten still persists. Combined with their convoluted post and suspect list, it makes for an overall hollow town play to me which has me wondering if it's fake.
4)Vaimes (Mafia) - Similar reasons as Mindreaver, they appear hollow town to me. The change of mind regarding Schinichi, and weak reasons that were aroused in the beginning show lack of activity. Though, they're quite defensive about it which makes me wonder if that behavior is a part of their meta. Mind mentioned him being a robot, but I'm not getting an analytical impression from his thoughts and posts to match that bill. When it comes to my questions and quotes they don't care which to me shows lack of willing cooperation.
I don't really have any others. Mindreavers and Vaimes posts were the only ones to grab my attention. RE and Shinichi are simply the two I have the most experience with, and one is the reason I'm playing this game to begin with. Those four have been my main targets of focus as anymore and I'd have even less to give you.
So, that's an exhausting rabbit hole I'd rather not continue down. I think I was perfectly clear what I was talking about. Vaimes was defensive toward me, so he clearly knew I was talking to him. I'll leave it to the thread at large, if I was unclear. If so, I'll go through my posts and remove the pronouns. But honestly, I don't see a point.
I don't remember where Vaimes was defensive toward you after your post #95. Now would be a good time to have linked references.
But I'll let the issue stand and say the post speaks for itself and I don't see it aimed at Vaimes. And I'm not quite sure why you insist that it does.
Roger, I think you're quite mistaken about the 0 to 100 comment. I directed that to Vaimes ABOUT shin in 71. Shin is using the same phrase, but I think you need to re-read that interaction.
I went and re-read the interaction, and that post is just a convoluted mess to me. The 0 to 100 comment could work for either of them depending. Shinichi went from being laid back to challenging the town read of Grape, and Vaimes has been intense in his approach since the start. But that's not the main issue. The format of the post doesn't lean toward you addressing Vaimes, at least in the second half.
"I mean, that's what struck me about you"
It seemed like you used "you" here instead of "him" to refer to Shin. This was right after pinging Shin and asking about his history. But I can also sorta see this being a question you popped into the middle of your paragraphs, but it signifies a leap in thought. If you were referring to Vaimes with the "you" then the sentence doesn't make sense. You complained of Shin's lack of conviction, but then Vaimes has too much conviction. It's fine to suspect both extremes, but that sentence implies that the same behavior tipped you off to Vaimes which isn't the case. You suspected Shin of to little and Vaimes of too much, but one does not lead to the other, they're the ends to a spectrum of the same idea.
If anything it just strikes me as a sign of faulty/weak reasoning or a post spliced together.
I'm sorry, this is Silence of the Lambs. FBI and Serial Killer Cannibal. I know from my own name, that the good and bad guy names are all mixed up (I'm a bad guy, but I'm town if anyone cares). So I know we can't trust flavor. But having a silence of the lambs mafia without a serial killer... is like having Star Wars mafia without Jedi. But my gut said there was no way you can have a neutral serial killer in a 12 man game. So I wanted to see what other people thought.
The interesting part of this for me, is that you are coming after me complaining about content without adding any. Of course, my vote on Vaimes certainly added conversation, as did my criticism of QH. Both were attempts that remedying the situation. I've been added thoughts this whole time, and following up, so I think this argument is an empty one. I'm a little surprised you didn't say the same things regarding Terry, AG, or QH. Also, I've got plenty of opinions
So you have a specific character name attached to your role? Interesting. That is something to make note of. While I can understand your reasons for asking about it, focusing on the SK can be a tactic to shift suspicion and increase doubt within the town. With more enemies there are less allies and one has to be more careful with who they trust. That was my concern along with reminding you that flavor does not play a significant role in this game.
Do not misunderstand me, I have no room to complain of lack of content. I was more so drawing attention to your lack of commitment to your stance. You really didn't seem like someone aggravated by the lack of content and who was willing to change it in order to help town forward. It was simply a small grievance you had for one reason or another. Also consider the question was made at the time of reading it. I won't deny you've added to the discussions so far, but I'll need to further judge those posts again as my memory of last night is hazy.
I don't quite understand what you mean here. I'm saying that Vaimes and Grape had positioned themselves rather well, as is evidenced with Shadow's posts (where they align "organically") and AG's entry post (where we says he townreads both Vaimes and Grape). I think they were considered, at the time, to be the most townie posters, specifically by going after Shin. The test here, was to see if Vaimes and Grape would both act in concert when confronted. Grape seemed thoughtful, and Vaimes seemed defensive. I would have expected Grape to have defended his buddy in that situation.
Strange. This has nothing to do with the post that I quoted. Mind you I can understand you forgetting or not recognizing it from the portion I quoted alone. But the 0 to 100 comment was specifically aimed at Shinichi and no one else. He even answers it here. #114.
Not exactly sure. So far my notes are that he might be scummy for exactly the reasons you've noted. Basically not taking that "next step" that people who haven't solved the game might take. But that doesn't help me much right now, since he's never played here before, I've never played with him, and I have no idea what his skill level is.
So @Shinichi: What's your history? Are you a rockstar?
I mean, that's what struck me about you. Not that you picked up on that stuff, but how quickly you went from 0 to 100. I'm gonna go read the rest of your responses, because i just glossed over it quickly earlier. I was more interested to see how you and Grapefruit would respond, specifically if I could see if you were scum that were pleased how you'd positioned yourselves.
I'll comment on Kpaca as well. Seems like he just playing a "I'm drop one-liners" game for now. But I don't see him having much of an agenda. Like, I just don't see him steering the convo any particular place or making anyone in particular looks suspect. I'll feel better when he stops with the games, and has content. But I don't see a smoking gun either.
Care to answer it again? I do not see how Vaimes and Grape relate to a post directed at Shinichi and discussing your view on him.
1) I do think that if Grape and Vaimes were scum together, then the plan was to mislynch shin, or at least be seen to go after a somewhat scummy target early and build towncred. I think in that scenario, the response to "Vaimes is scum" is Vaimes to say "no I'm not" and Grape to say "I don't think so, he's so town". This isn't something I'm married to. Grape could conceivably be a much better player than I am (spoiler, he is), but that's just WIFOM. I'm going to trust, for now, that they aren't aligned. That doesn't clear Vaimes, but it does make me feel a lot better about my Grape read.
2) I probably should have been clearer. I don't think WG and Kpaca are a team. I think they are acting in a similar way, and this scenario is more of a lone-scum-in-my-list-of-six scenario. Because if Vaimes/Grape/Shin are all town, I have to look at those who are keeping up post count without doing anything. QH and kpaca do fit that pattern, but with no agenda I can see. That's what this is all about.
3) So the world here is that Vaimes and Grape are town, and have genuinely caught Shin. In that case, I think QH's interaction is questionable, and I'd put him and shin as aligned. That's what I was trying to get out, but didn't articulate well.
1)I see. That's a better explanation than simply a Grape reaction to Vaimes being pressured means the two of them aren't a team.
2)A bit. You highlighted two players in each scenario and started with a team so my mind came to the conclusion that's what you were going for. You also end with a team scenario so it pushes that you're looking for a team more instead of lone mafia.
3)I see. I will have to look further at their interactions under these assumptions. Though currently not getting a town opinion/vibe from Vaimes.
I don't buy that read at all. Like not even remotely.
But it'd be pretty ballsy for scum seeing their buddy getting pressured on page one and think "yeah okay a super soft defense sounds like a good idea right about now."
I don't quite understand the context of the second sentence. If this was something you were considering beforehand why the pressure on Shin? Mindraver mentions also on Page2 that you're a robot. #96 I assume this is as your very logical when playing, but this post doesn't seem to follow much. It looks more to me like something to do in RVS or to build a persona of working out conclusions among the others. Care to share your mindset during this time?
Lets do that. I don't quite buy the "ZOmg, you don't care about alignments", nor the "I don't believe your read, at all" stuff. I mean, maybe those stances happen, but this early? Barely page 2? No. That's too much conviction. I might buy that you're just fishing for responses. But I'm also seeing you buddying/pocketing Grape, and it's pinging me so hard.
FOS: QUickHoodie - Why are you so tryhard? You have the longest post to date (or did ), and it's about literally nothing. I get wanting to make content. But is that coming from a "I feel pressure to help solve the game and demonstrate my towniness"? or is it from "zomg, if I don't start posting something, I"ll be marked as a lurker". Not sure yet.
On another note altogether. This game would be too small for a serial killer right? Just considering the flavor, I would have thought that was a natural extension. But 12 seems too few to suffer more than one kill a night for any length of time.
Why are you considering the flavor when it has no relevance to the game? Also you complain about the lack of content yet fail to suggest a means of remedy or try to prevent it. Why? It sounds like an excuse to not have an opinion.
Mindreaver, I don't really understand you complaining about there being nothing [to analyze], but criticizing me for my conviction (which implies I have content to dig through) and Quickhoodies for being a "tryhard."
Like...you say there's nothing, yet you have two pretty detailed scum/FOS reads. Barely on page two. No, that's too much conviction, etc.
This post comes off too defensive with the snark attached at the end. It seems a little too early for that if there truly was hardly anything to have faith in reads on.
I mean, that's what struck me about you. Not that you picked up on that stuff, but how quickly you went from 0 to 100. I'm gonna go read the rest of your responses, because i just glossed over it quickly earlier. I was more interested to see how you and Grapefruit would respond, specifically if I could see if you were scum that were pleased how you'd positioned yourselves.
I would wager they wouldn't be too pleased with how they positioned themselves considering Shin was being suspected early on. If they wanted to build a town read, then sure but that had yet to happen as of this post. How exactly would you tell if this were the case?
Is this sarcasm? Because unless you have absolute proof hes town for me hes guilty just like everyone else.
Also I think you read this post wrong, or maybe my grammar just sucks. I was saying should i be worried that the person who i said was aggresive announced that he had a slight town read on me. I wasn't implying i town read him but like I said my grammar ****ed that sentence up pretty badly.
Why is everyone guilty for you? You seem to have conflicting thoughts in this post.
So with that in mind, I had two or three scenarios:
1) Grape and Vaimes are a team, and are powerwolfing like crazy. They still could be, but based on Grape's reaction, or lack of one, when I went after Vaimes. I'm at least comfortable they aren't aligned.
2) Kpaca and WG were both behaving in a similar way. One-liners, and not much input, while keeping post count up. The difference there, was that I didn't see kpaca's agenda. Like, he's abrasive, and it's generally unhelpful. But that doesn't advance any scum worldview, he's not probing for mislynches, or discrediting anyone, even his "townread" was loose. WG was more troublesome, since he did comment on specific people, and kinda piled on to the Vaimes wagon. I disagree with Vaime that Kpaca was the scum on his wagon, and I think it might be WG. Assuming we see Vaimes flip town at some point.
3) Shinichi and QH seemed like they could be aligned, just the way they are interacting. But that also just seems like it could be that they know one another, and were more comfortable interacting with each other. If Shinichi is indeed scum here, that would seem to vindicate Vaimes.
I think I'm most convinced with a town grape world. Which would lead me down a path where Vaimes is probably town, and suspicion falls to WG/Kpaca, Sinichi/QH worlds.
I hated AGs entrance, and when contrasted with Terry's, I can't help feel Terry is town and AG just looked forced into making reads the second he came in. Shadow is null, RE I need to reread a bit.
I think I'd like to Vote AG. I'd like to see something other than consensus reads out of you.
1)That seems like a rather weak reason to be comfortable a pair aren't aligned. What about Grape makes you think that he would take up for Vaimes?
2)I can see how these reasons would work for Kpaca and WG individually, but I'm not seeing how it relates to them being a team. Mafia doesn't have to be in sync with their strategies. Playing to your town meta early on in RVS is just as helpful as strong arming opinion and thought.
3)Care to elaborate? Just what exactly is it about their interactions? This doesn't really speak of your thought processes, and more so to the general opinion.
Shinichi, do you think Mindreaver is scum? If so, why?
If you think someone else is scum, please move your vote over to them and explain why you think they're mafia.
If you don't want to move your vote, please explain why.
I'll start off by saying i barely move my vote,unless it's to pursue a very strong scum read.
For now tho Unvote
I would say i am neutral on him still I can't really get a good read on him yet, if anything all my reads on players are very lacking cause not used to playing with any of you except the 4 I know.
How about trying to get a pinpoint read on the four you know then? Or are you afraid we'll use our meta to fool you?
Ngl I'm not a fan of narrowing down suspects like this. I think this is a scummy thing to do - it directs attention away from the person who makes the list and the people not in the list and gets the people in the list to be against each other. I've seen this before, although much later in the game. You can analyze interactions to theorize alignment, but listing? If Mindreaver is a townie, then this might just end up giving scum a free pass. If they're scum, then this list is actually quite manipulative. And I think it's working.
I was under a similar impression when I first read the post despite agreeing with it. Though they seemed to not really do anything with it. Just set it out there.
While true, it's also logical that the majority is town and not mafia. Though, I suppose you meant right now instead of forever when you mentioned kpaca is guilty.
I don't much appreciate you removing the context of my posts in order to paint them in an unfair light. The context is important to understanding their motive and clarity. To remove it and paint it as something shows little thought on your end and is surprising. As it's a method I come to expect to be used to discredit people. If a man of the south were to praise the confederate flag, but no context given as to why. One could paint him as a racist bigot and make his motives unjust. But in actuality he could have a strong pride in his southern heritage and the men of his family who have fought and died in wars for his country inside and outside of the Civil War. And, who is tolerant of all people in his country as that's the way things are.
"Why are you considering the flavor when it has no relevance to the game?"
"This post comes off too defensive with the snark attached at the end. It seems a little too early for that if there truly was hardly anything to have faith in reads on."
"I can see how these reasons would work for Kpaca and WG individually, but I'm not seeing how it relates to them being a team. Mafia doesn't have to be in sync with their strategies. Playing to your town meta early on in RVS is just as helpful as strong arming opinion and thought."
"Care to elaborate? Just what exactly is it about their interactions?"
The answer to the question was obvious from the post prior.
#204
The bolded indicates it has happened before. Considering him mentioning it I drew the conclusion it has happened recently and for bad reason. I can understand how one would feel regret over a mislynch, especially if I found myself in another game with said person. This seemed obvious to me so I answered as I did to bring attention to the redundant question and show as much.
What could be gleaned from the question? You may use my response as example, but what have you solidly gleaned from that other than suspecting I'm buddying? What would be my purpose in buddying in that exact situation and time? Why Terry and no one else? I'm fine with you thinking that, but show some consideration with it.
It along with the majority of that post was to share my thoughts on what I had read catching up. I had not formed any "world view" as of that time and still have yet to.
Why specifically? Was it the importance placed on flavor or simply acknowledging it?
I think you're zeroing in too much on me being mafia. I don't see how any of my second point goes to discredit Mind in any way. I was explaining how from the post I saw the second point as odd compared to the other two. It addressed two lone mafia that Mind had in considerations which contrasted the other two team scenarios. I also gave some of my conclusion from it that Mind seems to be looking for a mafia team instead of lone mafia. That's a minor detail but worth acknowledging to understand Mind's posts further on in the game as that's where his mind seems to be coming from. Also to clarify, I ask questions sometimes as I'm generally confused or curious to know more.
Reads and leaning are two separate things from what I've seen. A read is a definite Town or Mafia accusation where as a lean is suspicion without firm grounds with which to vote or act on. Considering I've only read the thread once and didn't think too much on it afterward I'll stick to leans. And yes, I'm being cautious and reluctant in presenting them but that's as I don't want to be misunderstood again and I'm not wholly confident in them as they hardly have anything to go by.
Leans:
1)RE1031 (Town) - I liked their observation. It shows there's interest in the game, even though that's not always telling. I liked what they did with their RVS. They retracted it upon seeing it as unproductive when they could have easily left it there and been lazy. They stuck by their opinion on Shinichi often being read scum even though they got some attention for it. In doing so they went against the vocal opinion even though it didn't serve an immediate purpose.
2)Shinichi (Town) - His posts seems like Shinichi from the last game I played with him. Often not giving much away aside from present moment gut feelings or thoughts. He's active which is a tell of interest. It's hard to discern what exactly are his mafia and town tells as I haven't seen him as mafia, but I don't see him coordinating with anyone or trying to influence thought.
3)Mindreaver (Mafia) - Most of the reasons I think this can be found in my catch-up post. #233 I didn't feel any genuine annoyance when they complained about lack of content. And while they may have contributed after the fact it wasn't directly due to a directed will, but more so interactions with others. Because of that, it appears to me more of an appeal to emotion as I believe Vaimes shared the same opinion, as did a few others. There's also the possibility of it acting as an excuse to not have an opinion at that time, but I don't remember any pressure on Mind leading up to it.
I also don't like how they brought up the SK in relevance to the flavor. That seemed like an unneeded attention shift which while forgotten still persists. Combined with their convoluted post and suspect list, it makes for an overall hollow town play to me which has me wondering if it's fake.
4)Vaimes (Mafia) - Similar reasons as Mindreaver, they appear hollow town to me. The change of mind regarding Schinichi, and weak reasons that were aroused in the beginning show lack of activity. Though, they're quite defensive about it which makes me wonder if that behavior is a part of their meta. Mind mentioned him being a robot, but I'm not getting an analytical impression from his thoughts and posts to match that bill. When it comes to my questions and quotes they don't care which to me shows lack of willing cooperation.
I don't really have any others. Mindreavers and Vaimes posts were the only ones to grab my attention. RE and Shinichi are simply the two I have the most experience with, and one is the reason I'm playing this game to begin with. Those four have been my main targets of focus as anymore and I'd have even less to give you.
But I'll let the issue stand and say the post speaks for itself and I don't see it aimed at Vaimes. And I'm not quite sure why you insist that it does.
"I mean, that's what struck me about you"
It seemed like you used "you" here instead of "him" to refer to Shin. This was right after pinging Shin and asking about his history. But I can also sorta see this being a question you popped into the middle of your paragraphs, but it signifies a leap in thought. If you were referring to Vaimes with the "you" then the sentence doesn't make sense. You complained of Shin's lack of conviction, but then Vaimes has too much conviction. It's fine to suspect both extremes, but that sentence implies that the same behavior tipped you off to Vaimes which isn't the case. You suspected Shin of to little and Vaimes of too much, but one does not lead to the other, they're the ends to a spectrum of the same idea.
If anything it just strikes me as a sign of faulty/weak reasoning or a post spliced together.
From the film.
Do not misunderstand me, I have no room to complain of lack of content. I was more so drawing attention to your lack of commitment to your stance. You really didn't seem like someone aggravated by the lack of content and who was willing to change it in order to help town forward. It was simply a small grievance you had for one reason or another. Also consider the question was made at the time of reading it. I won't deny you've added to the discussions so far, but I'll need to further judge those posts again as my memory of last night is hazy.
Strange. This has nothing to do with the post that I quoted. Mind you I can understand you forgetting or not recognizing it from the portion I quoted alone. But the 0 to 100 comment was specifically aimed at Shinichi and no one else. He even answers it here. #114.
#95
Care to answer it again? I do not see how Vaimes and Grape relate to a post directed at Shinichi and discussing your view on him.
1)I see. That's a better explanation than simply a Grape reaction to Vaimes being pressured means the two of them aren't a team.
2)A bit. You highlighted two players in each scenario and started with a team so my mind came to the conclusion that's what you were going for. You also end with a team scenario so it pushes that you're looking for a team more instead of lone mafia.
3)I see. I will have to look further at their interactions under these assumptions. Though currently not getting a town opinion/vibe from Vaimes.
I'll be addressing posts by page that strike my attention.
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I don't quite understand the context of the second sentence. If this was something you were considering beforehand why the pressure on Shin? Mindraver mentions also on Page2 that you're a robot. #96 I assume this is as your very logical when playing, but this post doesn't seem to follow much. It looks more to me like something to do in RVS or to build a persona of working out conclusions among the others. Care to share your mindset during this time?
Why are you considering the flavor when it has no relevance to the game? Also you complain about the lack of content yet fail to suggest a means of remedy or try to prevent it. Why? It sounds like an excuse to not have an opinion.
This post comes off too defensive with the snark attached at the end. It seems a little too early for that if there truly was hardly anything to have faith in reads on.
I would wager they wouldn't be too pleased with how they positioned themselves considering Shin was being suspected early on. If they wanted to build a town read, then sure but that had yet to happen as of this post. How exactly would you tell if this were the case?
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Why is everyone guilty for you? You seem to have conflicting thoughts in this post.
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1)That seems like a rather weak reason to be comfortable a pair aren't aligned. What about Grape makes you think that he would take up for Vaimes?
2)I can see how these reasons would work for Kpaca and WG individually, but I'm not seeing how it relates to them being a team. Mafia doesn't have to be in sync with their strategies. Playing to your town meta early on in RVS is just as helpful as strong arming opinion and thought.
3)Care to elaborate? Just what exactly is it about their interactions? This doesn't really speak of your thought processes, and more so to the general opinion.
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The same reasons they mis-lynched them in the past?
How about trying to get a pinpoint read on the four you know then? Or are you afraid we'll use our meta to fool you?
I was under a similar impression when I first read the post despite agreeing with it. Though they seemed to not really do anything with it. Just set it out there.
The game has started.