The deck is definitely not dead and actually has seen a bit of success recently. It's definitely not a tier 1 deck, but can do strong in large tournaments with a bit of luck. As someone mentioned earlier, the forum is a bit dead due to a lack of innovation to the build. People are entertaining ideas as R or G splashes, but the majority can still say Mono-Black is the most consistent and most powerful for right now. There are micro tuning based on type of tournament one wants to enter and the expected meta you face (Minds vs CB's MB, SB adjustments, 4/3 Thoughtseize/IOK split, etc.)
You run 4 urborg 4 muta ? Or 3/3? Pack rat is very slow
4/4 in main. Run 13 Swamps, 2 Polluted Delta's, 4 Mutavaults, 4 Urborg. You could also run Nezumi Shortfang as an option as that has seen some play but very rarely. Pack Rat you say is "very" slow; however, if your opponent cannot deal with it in 2 turns the game is over. With the exhaustion from discard, Rats can be very threatening. That is why many choose to run 3-4 in their Sideboard as a creature package.
lately I have bad results. Many times I miss some other winn condition. many times I lose the game because I do not have raven's crime or because I do not have dakmor salvage cover. in many games only discarded insured by turn and you can fail the landrop. I think I'll play with 23 lands and a tombstalker of mb. any suggestion?
I've been running 23 lands for quite some time now. I do believe that is the correct amount of lands for the deck without having issue in flooding. You may wanna try running the likes of say 2 Pack Rats main as another Win Con?
I haven't played 8 rack in awhile, but am thinking of bringing it back but have seen a increase in 5c humans. IS this a bad matchup for us? They play similar to affinity which I recall being a bad matchup for us, but they growing bigger and wider faster. Just wanted to get your guys' opinion
With a rise in swarm decks, I've began to maindeck Bontu's as a result. The match up is not as awful as it seems
You could also -2 Lilly to trade with a creature, and then follow up with a Fatal Push to take another one. It's a desperate trade, but it's sometimes worth it.
Also, 80% of the time or so, we don't really need to trigger Revolt.
This is normally the case. Most problematic creatures cost less than 2 regardless. Prime example, creatures like BoB, DS, Goyf, Snap, Majority of Humans/Merfolk in either of those decks.
That's not a bad idea. Sometimes Lili is dead regardless and this way uses her to your benefit. Good play!
Yes, you have to be aware of the multiple ways of enabling Revolt; however, this should not be a priority most the time. As mentioned, 80% of the problematic creatures that decks run are CMC 2 or less.
When playing 8-rack how do you folks turn on Revolt for Fatal Push? I see these 4 ways, which still feels too few:
Urborg Legend rule
Fetching using the lone Marsh Flats or Bloodstained Mire
One of your Mutavaults dieing in combat
Smallpox destroying one of your lands
Am I missing other ways to trigger Revolt?
Actually, most lists are running more than 1 Fetch now. Also consider the likes of Creatures post sideboard. I've seen some lists even running up to 5 Fetches.
Blood Sun seems to be getting a lot of attention from the legacy community
Still no spoilers that look impactful for modern yet
It's getting some overreaction when it comes to Sun's potential in the Modern Meta. Sure it might see some sideboard play, but it is incredibly limited in terms of scenarios that would would want to play it over Blood Moon. Nothing new
I agree with everyone who has stated this set has been a bit disappointing when it comes to eternal formats; however, wasn't this to be expected? Current sets are being designed in terms of Standard and Limited.
As an 8Rack player, it is going to be interesting to see how Blood Sun will impact the modern meta. It is plausible that RG Tron may see an increase in play. The card does hit problematic pieces such as Nexus, Manavault, Valakut; however, I don't think it has a more crippling effect compared to Blood Moon. Personally, I believe it'll make a splash but not be as relivant as some are making it out to be
So it appears the new Blood Sun will be a card that may affect tier decks in the modern meta. As for now, the only land we have that gets hurt is Manavault and potential fetches. Urborg does not get effected due to layers (Urborg is layer 4 and Blood Sun is layer 6)
I will experiment with him as a 1-2 of for now and let you all know. Just thought he was neat and I've always liked the idea of a R/B 8rack with Blighting, K-command, etc.
B/R 8-Rack has existed in the past. The issue is our strategy finds us usually dumping our hand fairly quickly and stopping at 3-4 lands on the battlefield most the time. It'll definitely be a very cool build around in a B/R Control build, but just think it is too mana intensive and costly for 8-Rack in terms of strategy.
I was very pleased to see Angrath as it pushes for a possible B/R Control build instead of the typical aggro deck we see with Rakdos colors. Instead of seeing likes of Aggro, you might see a B/R control deck with Wrench Mind and Crimes here. It'll be interesting to see what comes out from this.
As for this into 8-Rack decks? The answer is no. At 5 CMC, the card is just way to expensive for us to use. It's a fun planeswalker but not for 8-Rack.
Would you even consider calling this Ramunap Red now? You're excluding the essential land (Ramunap Ruins) and are pushing towards a more vehicle based deck with the likes of Boros cards such as Motorist. This is heavily suggesting Mardu Vehicles with a Dinosaur twist. I wouldn't consider this innovation, more of a switch of decks if this is the case.
It has been almost 2 weeks since any post, has anyone reported any tournaments with the deck? I've not had much of a chance to play these past two weeks and won't be able to until the 13th of January.
Yup I have to agree modern is the biggest luck format. Better to be lucky than good in modern imo. When you’ve been playing for al of Magic’s existence and you lose to nooby mc nooberson missingtriggers, miscounting damage, skipping phases, and slow rolling/playing because they don’t know any better is extremely frustrating. A guy win our local open last month with affinity and he misses leathal and misplays regularly on casual thursdays. It’s good for those players because they play things like burn, 8wack, affinity (see people misplay the crap out of that and win), and counters coco mostly. Then they try to step up to something like gds and actually have to learn how to be decent players.
In the long run is it good or bad to have modern be such an easy format to get into? It’s great to see more people playing magic and the community growing and modern allows for that much better than standard imo. If prices didn’t matter I think modern would still be the format for those people because it doesn’t have fow like legacy where if you try to play without a clue you can easily get punished extremely hard.
I dont necessarily agree with the "luck-sack" statement on the format. Sure, the format itself can be a bit frustrating when there are more opportunities to come back after making mistakes; however, as pointed before, the same faces always appear in the top of the biggest tournaments. You have to understand the knowledge of the meta you play in, you have to understand how to sideboard your deck properly to counteract against the deck you are playing against. You don't find new players often topping major tournaments in the format because of this, nor do you find new players topping local tournaments often. It took me quite some time before I began consistently succeeding at FNM, and that was because I learned from mistakes and my skill and knowledge of the game grew.
4/4 in main. Run 13 Swamps, 2 Polluted Delta's, 4 Mutavaults, 4 Urborg. You could also run Nezumi Shortfang as an option as that has seen some play but very rarely. Pack Rat you say is "very" slow; however, if your opponent cannot deal with it in 2 turns the game is over. With the exhaustion from discard, Rats can be very threatening. That is why many choose to run 3-4 in their Sideboard as a creature package.
I've been running 23 lands for quite some time now. I do believe that is the correct amount of lands for the deck without having issue in flooding. You may wanna try running the likes of say 2 Pack Rats main as another Win Con?
With a rise in swarm decks, I've began to maindeck Bontu's as a result. The match up is not as awful as it seems
This is normally the case. Most problematic creatures cost less than 2 regardless. Prime example, creatures like BoB, DS, Goyf, Snap, Majority of Humans/Merfolk in either of those decks.
Yes, you have to be aware of the multiple ways of enabling Revolt; however, this should not be a priority most the time. As mentioned, 80% of the problematic creatures that decks run are CMC 2 or less.
Actually, most lists are running more than 1 Fetch now. Also consider the likes of Creatures post sideboard. I've seen some lists even running up to 5 Fetches.
It's getting some overreaction when it comes to Sun's potential in the Modern Meta. Sure it might see some sideboard play, but it is incredibly limited in terms of scenarios that would would want to play it over Blood Moon. Nothing new
B/R 8-Rack has existed in the past. The issue is our strategy finds us usually dumping our hand fairly quickly and stopping at 3-4 lands on the battlefield most the time. It'll definitely be a very cool build around in a B/R Control build, but just think it is too mana intensive and costly for 8-Rack in terms of strategy.
As for this into 8-Rack decks? The answer is no. At 5 CMC, the card is just way to expensive for us to use. It's a fun planeswalker but not for 8-Rack.
I dont necessarily agree with the "luck-sack" statement on the format. Sure, the format itself can be a bit frustrating when there are more opportunities to come back after making mistakes; however, as pointed before, the same faces always appear in the top of the biggest tournaments. You have to understand the knowledge of the meta you play in, you have to understand how to sideboard your deck properly to counteract against the deck you are playing against. You don't find new players often topping major tournaments in the format because of this, nor do you find new players topping local tournaments often. It took me quite some time before I began consistently succeeding at FNM, and that was because I learned from mistakes and my skill and knowledge of the game grew.