I have explained it a few times, but the gist of it is, I think this is way to "modern sci fi" compared to Kaladesh and old brothers war stuff because tis visually looks too "modern" compared to what we've seen in magic.
Even the old high tech stuff was still very much rooted in "fantasy" art direction. Kinda like how something like steampunk styles has stuff like air balloons and fairly high tech stuff (Like the old robot armies and Kaladesh vehicles etc), but again, it was all rooted in "fantasy" style. There's this tech threshold that they never go past.
The biker mice from mars I could kinda accept, because of vehhicles we've seen previously (even though the artwork here again looks very modern sci fi, and yes, even compared to the old stuff and fleetwheel cruisers and ***** like that) The whole art direction of the modern aspects are way too modern. I like what we've seen of the ancient stuff though, and the full art lands depicting old Kamigawa are some of my favourite lands they have ever made.
The DJ in particular is an absolutely terrible piece of artwork that doesn't blend the old and new meeting. It's a ******* dj standing with exo skeleton stuff on his body with ******* rope tying the fingers and plates together because "oh this will totally look like a nod to old school samurais" while he's ******* spinning hologram vinyl with pyro shooting out of his shoulders. In a club.
The rope between the exo skeleton fingers is the worst part of the whole thing to me. It just looks so dumb and lazy. So they have giant skyskraper cities holograms, electricity everywere and all types of *****, but you need rope for the fingers??? It's so dumb. I can't get over how bad that image is really. Looks like some loading screen for a fan made dota 2 skin or something. Terrible terrible terrible piece of art to showcase Magic.
I love sci fi stuff in general way more than fantasy stuff, but Magic to me is fantasy game and not futuristic and modern.
It's all highly subjective though, so I'm not saying other people can't like it or disagree, I just find the futuristic stuff way too modern (again, yes, even compared to old brothers war stuff. Very much so)
Again, fair enough, and I can even understand that the DJ art can be quite jarring (I would still argue that this is for me at least something conceivable for a cyberpunk setting on a world where samurai did and are factoring in, basically a style this DJ is using, but again, this is clearly all subjective).
What I still don't get is these arbitrary lines that some people draw when it comes to technology and modern day cultural influences appearing in fantasy. Fantasy is not defined as 'swords and arrows and absolute monarchies stuck in medieval eras where the fastest way to travel is via horses'. Kamigawa hasn't been replaced with 'cyberpunk japan' - world, it has developed like our world did as well, but still in its own way, caused by the fact that magic exists, that Kamis exist etc. It is still very much fantasy, just with modern (and fantastic) technology. There are countless worlds in the multiverse, and at least some HAVE to go through some kind of technological evolution over time. Kaladesh is in fact worse than Kamigawa in that regard, it might look a bit more fantastic because of the swirling patterns and aether being a fantastic resource, but ultimately it is in a quite extreme industrial revolution and its fantastic elements are so surpressed that natural mages were practically looked down upon by and removed from society until very recently. Kamigawa now looks a bit more similar to our world through cyberpunk trappings, but it has way more fantastic elements in it than Kaladesh in my opinion. So my question is still why this specifically is so fundamentally unpalatable for some people?
There's very much a line for me with a ******* dj spinning hologram vinyl in Magic (a game set in fantasy. Yes, even the old stuff and Kaladesh), but I doubt we'll ever agree on this. I'm not trying to sound snarky by the way, art is subjective so who cares either way nobody is right or wrong with this stuff, I just hope future sets don't get as high tech as this.
I have explained it a few times, but the gist of it is, I think this is way to "modern sci fi" compared to Kaladesh and old brothers war stuff because tis visually looks too "modern" compared to what we've seen in magic.
Even the old high tech stuff was still very much rooted in "fantasy" art direction. Kinda like how something like steampunk styles has stuff like air balloons and fairly high tech stuff (Like the old robot armies and Kaladesh vehicles etc), but again, it was all rooted in "fantasy" style. There's this tech threshold that they never go past.
The biker mice from mars I could kinda accept, because of vehhicles we've seen previously (even though the artwork here again looks very modern sci fi, and yes, even compared to the old stuff and fleetwheel cruisers and ***** like that) The whole art direction of the modern aspects are way too modern. I like what we've seen of the ancient stuff though, and the full art lands depicting old Kamigawa are some of my favourite lands they have ever made.
The DJ in particular is an absolutely terrible piece of artwork that doesn't blend the old and new meeting. It's a ******* dj standing with exo skeleton stuff on his body with ******* rope tying the fingers and plates together because "oh this will totally look like a nod to old school samurais" while he's ******* spinning hologram vinyl with pyro shooting out of his shoulders. In a club.
The rope between the exo skeleton fingers is the worst part of the whole thing to me. It just looks so dumb and lazy. So they have giant skyskraper cities holograms, electricity everywere and all types of *****, but you need rope for the fingers??? It's so dumb. I can't get over how bad that image is really. Looks like some loading screen for a fan made dota 2 skin or something. Terrible terrible terrible piece of art to showcase Magic.
I love sci fi stuff in general way more than fantasy stuff, but Magic to me is fantasy game and not futuristic and modern.
It's all highly subjective though, so I'm not saying other people can't like it or disagree, I just find the futuristic stuff way too modern (again, yes, even compared to old brothers war stuff. Very much so)
a DJ playing some music isn't even showing the height of Kamigawan technology in this era. If you don't like futuristic technology in your fantasy stories then Magic hasn't been up your alley since pretty much its beginning (see the Thran's satellite launches and all the robots of the Brother's War for example).
I disagree and I have explained a few times why the futuristic art style in this is way too sci fi, and that's coming from somebody who's favourite plane in terms of art direction is Kaladesh (the most "high tech" plane we've previously seen).
The DJ ***** is just too much for me. It looks ******* ridiculous to me.
The sagas transforming into remnants of the creature featured in the story is pretty cool! I like this take on the mechanic. I question how effective they will be, however - needing to wait two more turns to flip it, then likely a third before you can attack (except for ones that gain haste) requires a pretty drawn out game.
Yeah, cool idea but most of them will probably not be really good or one of them will be close to broken or something. It's always hard to get that good middle ground in terms of power level.
I don't like the basic lands. To me they don't look lands or even Magic cards. If it wasn't for the mana symbol I on most of them I wouldn't have a clue what they are look wise. Bit of an eye sore if you ask me. Looks like crappy wall art hanged at a cheap run down Chinese restaurant that hasn't updated its look since the 70's. Ugly. Note remind me to not buy any the collectors packs as I know each pack contains an undesirable eye sore instead of usable basic. It is like those ugly lands like evolving wilds from Forgotten Realms. They were unusably ugly too.
You're really making me miss Chinese restaurants right now.... Haven't been to one in ages.
Wow those Neon Inks are going to be record breaking expensive (especially the Red).
To quote : "These will be a prized find for players and collectors, and three of these colors are found only in Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty Collector Boosters: less than 1% of boosters contain a neon ink card. There are about half as many green ink cards as blue ink cards, and about a quarter that many red ink cards as green ink cards."
So for easy math sake.
There are 1000 blue ink
500 green ink
125 red ink
Whoa mama let the chase begin.
But it looks absolutely terrible, even if it's rare I don't know why people would pay premium for it
I love sci fi stuff and I've always been into Japanese art and aesthetics so I think these images look cool in and of themselves. I dig the art direction for sure, but in Magic? Nope.
Remember when Urza built a robot, a space ship and used mechas to fight the borg? Totally fantasy with no Sci-fi elements.
I kinda see it as how Kaladesh has giant airships and mechs, but I still wouldn't consider Kaladesh sci fi or futuristic at all from the overall art direction. It's the same with the old urza stuff. They're both rooted in that sort of "fantasy world" and not "sci fi future world". Like steam punk stuff. I wouldn't call steam punk sci fi at all.
But you're right with us not having seen anything from the set yet other than a few pieces of artwork, so people should hold their horses a little. It's just what we have seen so far looks like a very huge step away from what we'd come to expect from a game set in fantasy worlds.
There's very much a line for me with a ******* dj spinning hologram vinyl in Magic (a game set in fantasy. Yes, even the old stuff and Kaladesh), but I doubt we'll ever agree on this. I'm not trying to sound snarky by the way, art is subjective so who cares either way
Even the old high tech stuff was still very much rooted in "fantasy" art direction. Kinda like how something like steampunk styles has stuff like air balloons and fairly high tech stuff (Like the old robot armies and Kaladesh vehicles etc), but again, it was all rooted in "fantasy" style. There's this tech threshold that they never go past.
The biker mice from mars I could kinda accept, because of vehhicles we've seen previously (even though the artwork here again looks very modern sci fi, and yes, even compared to the old stuff and fleetwheel cruisers and ***** like that) The whole art direction of the modern aspects are way too modern. I like what we've seen of the ancient stuff though, and the full art lands depicting old Kamigawa are some of my favourite lands they have ever made.
The DJ in particular is an absolutely terrible piece of artwork that doesn't blend the old and new meeting. It's a ******* dj standing with exo skeleton stuff on his body with ******* rope tying the fingers and plates together because "oh this will totally look like a nod to old school samurais" while he's ******* spinning hologram vinyl with pyro shooting out of his shoulders. In a club.
The rope between the exo skeleton fingers is the worst part of the whole thing to me. It just looks so dumb and lazy. So they have giant skyskraper cities holograms, electricity everywere and all types of *****, but you need rope for the fingers??? It's so dumb. I can't get over how bad that image is really. Looks like some loading screen for a fan made dota 2 skin or something. Terrible terrible terrible piece of art to showcase Magic.
I love sci fi stuff in general way more than fantasy stuff, but Magic to me is fantasy game and not futuristic and modern.
It's all highly subjective though, so I'm not saying other people can't like it or disagree, I just find the futuristic stuff way too modern (again, yes, even compared to old brothers war stuff. Very much so)
I disagree and I have explained a few times why the futuristic art style in this is way too sci fi, and that's coming from somebody who's favourite plane in terms of art direction is Kaladesh (the most "high tech" plane we've previously seen).
The DJ ***** is just too much for me. It looks ******* ridiculous to me.
Lol what the **** is this ***** man
Yeah, cool idea but most of them will probably not be really good or one of them will be close to broken or something. It's always hard to get that good middle ground in terms of power level.
You're really making me miss Chinese restaurants right now.... Haven't been to one in ages.
But it looks absolutely terrible, even if it's rare I don't know why people would pay premium for it
I kinda see it as how Kaladesh has giant airships and mechs, but I still wouldn't consider Kaladesh sci fi or futuristic at all from the overall art direction. It's the same with the old urza stuff. They're both rooted in that sort of "fantasy world" and not "sci fi future world". Like steam punk stuff. I wouldn't call steam punk sci fi at all.
But you're right with us not having seen anything from the set yet other than a few pieces of artwork, so people should hold their horses a little. It's just what we have seen so far looks like a very huge step away from what we'd come to expect from a game set in fantasy worlds.